I heard this being debated on the Boston sports talk radio station this afternoon. Both in their prime, who would you rather have on the mound to pitch the big game? For me, the answer is simple, Pedro Martinez. Pedro in 1999-2000 was probably the best pitcher of all time.
Pedro Martinez vs. Roger Clemens
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Doc Gooden.
ooppps, he wasn't a red sox pitcher now was he.
but unlike Red Sox pitchers, Doc has actually won a WS.
ooppps, he wasn't a red sox pitcher now was he.
but unlike Red Sox pitchers, Doc has actually won a WS. Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Doc Gooden.
ooppps, he wasn't a red sox pitcher now was he.
Doc Gooden isn't in the same class as Roger and Pedro. This doesn't have anything to do with just 'Red Sox pitchers', it has to do with arguably the two best pitchers of our lifetimes.
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Doc Gooden.
ooppps, he wasn't a red sox pitcher now was he.
Doc Gooden isn't in the same class as Roger and Pedro. This doesn't have anything to do with just 'Red Sox pitchers', it has to do with arguably the two best pitchers of our lifetimes.
you didn't really ask about life time achievements, you asked about in their prime. in their respective primes, doc gooden IS EVERY bit as good as clemens and pedro.
Pedro, in his prime, Roger had trouble with big games. Pedro is more level headed, I guess would be the way to put it.
Roger had a heck of a time beating Sammy Stuart in regular season games.
I've enjoyed watching them both, though. Being the same age as Roger, its been fun watching the old fart kick butt this year,
Roger had a heck of a time beating Sammy Stuart in regular season games.
I've enjoyed watching them both, though. Being the same age as Roger, its been fun watching the old fart kick butt this year,
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If we are just looking at their peak year(s), Pedro Martinez was unbelievably good in '99-00. Batters looked foolish trying to hit him. He was so far ahead of the league it was ridiculous, and the numbers bear that out.
And I don't know why Greg Maddux is not in this discussion. He's probably the greatest control pitcher I will see in my lifetime and he was dominant in the mid-90's. He went 19-2 with a 1.63 ERA in '95. You don't have to be a power pitcher to win a big game, and I think I'd actually take peak Maddux over peak Clemens.
And I don't know why Greg Maddux is not in this discussion. He's probably the greatest control pitcher I will see in my lifetime and he was dominant in the mid-90's. He went 19-2 with a 1.63 ERA in '95. You don't have to be a power pitcher to win a big game, and I think I'd actually take peak Maddux over peak Clemens.
Originally posted by: hdeck
my view is prolly skewed, but i'm sure yours is too
roger all the way.
GO STROS!!!!!
I saw The Rocket lose his nerve during his prime each time he faced Dave Stewart and the Oakland A's back in 1988-1992.
Damn, I'm gettin' old.
The A's were the Achilles heel for Roger Clemens.
Have even read, though have not seen it substantiated, that he asked out of the rotation rather than go up againt Stewart in the A's around 1992.
Don't get me wrong, I think Clemens is awesome.
Play ball! :beer:
-PCM
Damn, I'm gettin' old.
The A's were the Achilles heel for Roger Clemens.
Have even read, though have not seen it substantiated, that he asked out of the rotation rather than go up againt Stewart in the A's around 1992.
Don't get me wrong, I think Clemens is awesome.
Play ball! :beer:
-PCM
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Doc Gooden.
ooppps, he wasn't a red sox pitcher now was he.
Doc Gooden isn't in the same class as Roger and Pedro. This doesn't have anything to do with just 'Red Sox pitchers', it has to do with arguably the two best pitchers of our lifetimes.
you didn't really ask about life time achievements, you asked about in their prime. in their respective primes, doc gooden IS EVERY bit as good as clemens and pedro.
Exactly! He had a BADASS fast ball.
No question out of the two it would be Clemens.
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Doc Gooden.
ooppps, he wasn't a red sox pitcher now was he.
Doc Gooden isn't in the same class as Roger and Pedro. This doesn't have anything to do with just 'Red Sox pitchers', it has to do with arguably the two best pitchers of our lifetimes.
you didn't really ask about life time achievements, you asked about in their prime. in their respective primes, doc gooden IS EVERY bit as good as clemens and pedro.
Exactly! He had a BADASS fast ball.
No question out of the two it would be Clemens.
Doc Gooden his second year in the majors went 24-4 with a 1.53 era.
that year deserves consideration with these other pitchers.
The OP asked who you'd want to pitch in the big game between the two. Pedro has always pitched well in playoffs and big games nd well, the Rocket hasn't. In fact, he was notoriously bad in big games until the last few years. Then again, I'm sure you guys looked past the mystique of the Rocket...
Doc in this prime was $ btw.
Doc in this prime was $ btw.
BUT if you are going to look JUST at big games, then you should consider John Smoltz and Andy Pettitte here just because of how many playoff games they've won. the braves had 3 potential HOFers in their staff during the 90's. Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz (biggest mb of the 3) but OF the 3, Smoltz was without question the best in a big game.
Nope, comparing just those two. This isn't a question of who's the better pitcher. I didn't say a thing about that. He asked of the two, who would you want to pitch in the big game. This isn't a complex question.
pedro for one game. pedro had a better "prime" in his career. clemens has the better whole career.
Pedro. Clemens can pitch better, but Pedro has less regard for batters' lives, and it's hard to hit when you just got nailed by a pitch. Classy guy, him. Bet he watches lots of wrestling in the offseason & has an AOL account...
In their respective primes I'd take Pedro hands down. Right now, however, give me Roger in a big game.
I'm surprised to see Roger got so many votes. Pedro was completely untouchable in his prime.
I'm surprised to see Roger got so many votes. Pedro was completely untouchable in his prime.
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