Pedophiles caught using computer generated imagery.

[JoeBleed]

didnt we (the USA) pass a law a few years ago about this, they consider digital images of under age persons (think lolicon) the same as the real thing


also looking at the pic in teh article i cant see how anyone would not realize that was fake

Crappy web cam feed would be my guess.

 

[Phoenix86]

Ehh cops catch people in drug stings where there are no actual drugs being exchanged. Feds caught couple of the wanna-be terrorists by handing them fake explosives. I don't really see much distinction there, since you're really after the criminal intent anyway.

I understand criminal intent, it makes sense. If you wanted to buy a bomb, and try, but get handed a fake bomb you might as well get charged with trying to buy the real thing. That's pretty simple.

Having a digital image of a thing doesn't mean you want the real thing. The previous comparisons to murder are perfect. I play battlefield 4, that doesn't mean I'm committing intent to murder.

That being said I don't exactly condone computer images of child pornography, I just don't think it's criminal.

edit: this specific case has intent, I was speaking in general terms.

 

[W.C. Nimoy]

I'm imagining sitting under a lamp in an interrogation room, hooked up to a lie detector, with a sex crimes detective shoving a piece of paper at me from across the table:

"HOW OLD?! Thirteen, twelve?! I want to know EXACTLY how old this stick figure with boobies you've drawn here is supposed to be, you sick twisted freak!"

 

[OCGuy]

Supreme Court ruling...2002.....

 

[MustISO]

I'd much prefer they look at images or drawings than the real thing. If they can agree to do that I'm fine with it.

Honestly, it seems silly to be to have a drawing be illegal.

 

[Soundmanred]

I play battlefield 4, that doesn't mean I'm committing intent to murder.

What if you believed that the little person in the game you were controlling was real?

 

[ImpulsE69]

Considering what the Japanese consider as porn, I don't know why everyone is commenting on the realism of the photos....

 

[IAteYourMother]

This is exactly it. It does not matter if a crime took place, as long as intent happened and can be proven.

I mean did anyone here watch Dateline NBC to catch a Predator. No actual crime happened, however the attempt is there. And they all get 3-7 years in prison easy.

yes, but there is an attempt with a real person. If there was just a child-like blow up doll in the middle of the room, I feel like that prison sentence is going to be a lot lighter.

 

[OutHouse]

didnt we (the USA) pass a law a few years ago about this, they consider digital images of under age persons (think lolicon) the same as the real thing


also looking at the pic in teh article i cant see how anyone would not realize that was fake

i remember a heated thread about this a few years ago. i thought the soctus ruled the opposite.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

When a policewoman poses as a prostitute to catch people you are talking about an adult doing that while being mature and knowledgeable enough to know what's coming. They can hardly use a real 10 year old girl for it, can they? The pedos though it was a real girl and were offering money for sexual acts. It wasn't like they knew the images were fake and wanted to see a childporn cartoon, they thought they really were watching a girl.

I hope they catch many more this way. Better that then having to use actual children as bait.

 

[who?]

I believe the tv show cases got thrown out because the "Perverted Justice" decoys online brought up the sexual acts first, entrapping the defendants. Apparently it was difficult to find men online who would introduce the subject first themselves.

 

[Phoenix86]

What if you believed that the little person in the game you were controlling was real?

Which is why I edited in that this case has intent. I'm ok with this application, but the discussion going on about viewing digital images of children is much more iffy because it has further reaching application.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

I don't see why we let these people dirty up the gene pool.

Well, let's put your genes to the test! Please submit for examination.

 

[Kadarin]

So what do we as a society do with pedophiles who want to find ways to satisfy their needs without actually hurting children (or anyone)? It's easy to say something to the effect that pedophiles should just be shot in the face and be done with it (which is probably what should be done to those who actually hurt and abuse children), but what about those who actually have a conscience?

 

[sixone]

So what do we as a society do with pedophiles who want to find ways to satisfy their needs without actually hurting children (or anyone)? It's easy to say something to the effect that pedophiles should just be shot in the face and be done with it (which is probably what should be done to those who actually hurt and abuse children), but what about those who actually have a conscience?

Does not compute.

 

[eng2d2]

disgusting

 

[Kadarin]

Does not compute.

It does not compute that it's possible for there to be a man who is sexually attracted to children who also does not wish to harm children? Who would want to act out that sexual preference in some fashion without involving real children?

Hypothetically speaking, if there was some way to provide an outlet for that person safely, incidents where pedophiles harm children might become less frequent.

I don't know any pedophiles, so maybe I'm just speculating out my ass though...

 

[Spungo]

I'm against people convicted of "child porn" that uses completely fake images. I think it is like a thought police.

Write book about the government being overthrown.
Get thrown in jail for thought crime.
/America

 

[Scarpozzi]

So if something is called child porn and found on a server/computer the FBI is typically contacted. (When multiple states are involved. If you ever see file names suggesting child pornograghy DO NOT view the contents of the file. Contact law enforcement immediately to protect yourself.

When it comes to right and wrong it ultimately comes down to what a judge may decide after the local or federal law enforcement makes the arrest and looks for more evidence.

If you work in IT, it's important to know about this topic because it is a risk and a responsibility(to protect potential victims of a very real and scary crime )

Drawings are likely enough evidence for the FBI to obtain a warrant.

 

[Phoenix86]

If you work in IT, it's important to know about this topic because it is a risk and a responsibility(to protect potential victims of a very real and scary crime )

I was involved in this very situation about 12 years ago. My first call was to the police, then I contacted corporate HR. I don't think it would have gone different if I did it the other way around but I'm glad I did it this way. It left HR no option on how to handle the situation.

 

[sixone]

It does not compute that it's possible for there to be a man who is sexually attracted to children who also does not wish to harm children? Who would want to act out that sexual preference in some fashion without involving real children?

Hypothetically speaking, if there was some way to provide an outlet for that person safely, incidents where pedophiles harm children might become less frequent.

I don't know any pedophiles, so maybe I'm just speculating out my ass though...

A pedo has an imagination. That should be a sufficient outlet that doesn't involve real children.

Unfortunately, the reality is that it's rarely sufficient. That's why they start trading photos and videos online.

 

[Spungo]

So if something is called child porn and found on a server/computer the FBI is typically contacted. (When multiple states are involved. If you ever see file names suggesting child pornograghy DO NOT view the contents of the file. Contact law enforcement immediately to protect yourself.

Nope. Safest thing to do is delete it and pretend you never saw it. We live in a society where people are regularly punished for doing the right thing. A few months ago, I read a story where a young man was being charged with kidnapping because he escorted a lost little girl to a store's customer service department.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Nope. Safest thing to do is delete it and pretend you never saw it. We live in a society where people are regularly punished for doing the right thing. A few months ago, I read a story where a young man was being charged with kidnapping because he escorted a lost little girl to a store's customer service department.

You may be right, but doing nothing in some cases can unravel if it ever gets turned into a witch hunt. Look at the Penn State case. After going after the coaching staff, the school started looking at Administrators and anyone in the chain of command who did not follow up on the initial events to protect the organization.

If files were to be found, the questions would be asked, "When were they discovered? How long did they exist on company equipment? Were they accessed? By whome were they accesssed?"....and so on.
From the RIAA and other lawsuits in the past few years, data custodians learned they have a responsibility to do some monitoring of the Acceptible Use Policies, within reason. I don't particularly like the way things are turning out, but while looking the other way may be an effective defense mechanism, but it can also present liabilities to those responsible.

 

[JoeBleed]

A few months ago, I read a story where a young man was being charged with kidnapping because he escorted a lost little girl to a store's customer service department.

what the fuck? link by chance?

can they now charge you for shoplifting if you don't leave the store? i know it's not on the same level, but it's a comparison to wondering why they could charge that when/if he didn't even try to leave the store or take her to a secluded area in the store.

what the fuck is wrong with these shitty people....

 

[who?]

Under Arkansas state law yes they can arrest you for shoplifting if you conceal an item in the store even if you haven't left yet