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Pediatrician declines to care for lesbians baby

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Victorian Gray said:
So at puberty you were looking at your friends Joe and Betty and decided, Betty is fuckable but Joe? Nah I don't think I'll swing that way.

Ok.
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Biologically speaking...yes? What are you looking for here? I suppose I could have just as easily thought Joe but as I've stated there is no conclusive evidence that proves I was born that way genetically or made a choice. Yea there are plenty of studies but nothing conclusive.
 
Victorian Gray said:
And then you said this: "care to elaborate and enlighten everyone as to how being born gay is a matter of fact?" So, flat out, what do *you* believe?
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I was responding to his smart ass, matter of fact remark. I don't have a definative belief either way. Holy shit! What does it matter anyway? I have nothing against gay people if that's what you're digging for. I have several gay friends for Christs sake. Hell I had this discussion with some of them and they have mixed answers about genetics or choice.
 
Texashiker said:
Working is a common law right. We were granted those rights by our ancestors thousands of years before the United states was even thought of.

Refusing to be a servant is a protected right under the 13th.

I do not understand why you have problems with these simple concepts.

If I do not want to work for you I am free to refuse to serve you.
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Still waiting for you to show where operating a business open to the public is a right.

The fact that you can't do it says everything.

I exactly understand why you have so much difficulty with simple concepts. You have these same problems all the time.

It's simply that your pride doesn't allow you to be less ignorant. It's sad, but such is life.
 
Well, that's very Christian of the doctor, to decide not to treat an innocent baby "after much prayer" because of her disapproval of the parents' sexual orientation. I'm sure Jesus would approve.
 
Doctors are Public Servants now, and the appropriate response is to serve.

Just like the movie, Dr. Zhivago, in which a Doctor is held to call by the Soviet Communist Revolution.

"You are not free, comrade."

-John
 
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-John {Martin Niemöller}
 
Zorkorist said:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-John {Martin Niemöller}
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404: Perspective not found
 
eskimospy said:
Still waiting for you to show where operating a business open to the public is a right.

The fact that you can't do it says everything.

I exactly understand why you have so much difficulty with simple concepts. You have these same problems all the time.

It's simply that your pride doesn't allow you to be less ignorant. It's sad, but such is life.
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From the Declaration of Independence;

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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Government, should stay away from most everything, and let a person pursue happiness. In business, in personal life, etc.

Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness... these are inalienable rights.

-John
 
When the fuck did the Government get to decide a Doctor must treat a patient?

Must he also live in public housing? A room for every three members of the family?

/me is playing "Lara's Theme," from "Dr. Zhivago."

-John
 
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Zorkorist said:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-John {Martin Niemöller}
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Powerful words. This hit home for me🙁
 
Zorkorist said:
When the fuck did the Government get to decide a Doctor must treat a patient?

Must he also live in public housing? A room for every three members of the family?

/me is playing "Lara's Theme," from "Dr. Zhivago."

-John
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In the 1960's. Where have you been?
 
Zorkorist said:
From the Declaration of Independence;

Government, should stay away from most everything, and let a person pursue happiness. In business, in personal life, etc.

Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness... these are inalienable rights.

-John
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The Declaration of Independence isn't a legally binding document and of course those rights aren't inalienable. Haven't you ever seen a prison?

The government clearly has this power under the Constitution. It has been this way for half a century. You should really take some time to learn your history and understand the constitution better. You seem very confused about some pretty basic things.
 
eskimospy said:
The Declaration of Independence isn't a legally binding document and of course those rights aren't inalienable. Haven't you ever seen a prison?

The government clearly has this power under the Constitution. It has been this way for half a century. You should really take some time to learn your history and understand the constitution better. You seem very confused about some pretty basic things.
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There is nothing "legal" about the Declaration of Independence, but yet it is one of, if not, the pre-eminent documents of the United States of America.

We declared "Independence" from a Government that was harming our pursuit of life, liberty, and our pursuit of happiness.

It's a document that says, FUCK YOU, Government. This is America. This is the land of the FREE.

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This is not the land of, "who said you had the right to do that?!"

-John
 
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Zorkorist said:
There is nothing "legal" about the Declaration of Independence, but yet it is one of, if not, the pre-eminent documents of the United States of America.

We declared "Independence" from a Government that was harming our pursuit of life, liberty, and our pursuit of happiness.

It's a document that says, FUCK YOU, Government.

This is America. This is the land of the FREE.

This is not the land of - "Who said you had the right to do that?!"

-John
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This is america, land of the constitution. The constitution protects certain rights, but the right to refuse service to people in a business open to the public is not one of them.

If you don't like the constitution just say so. You appear to have some very strange ideas about what you think is in it. I suggest you actually read it sometime.
 
eskimospy said:
This is america, land of the constitution. The constitution protects certain rights, but the right to refuse service to people in a business open to the public is not one of them.

If you don't like the constitution just say so. You appear to have some very strange ideas about what you think is in it. I suggest you actually read it sometime.
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No... it is land of the free.

O say can you see by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
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Liberals, like yourself, are using the argument of the Constitution, to say all is good.

All is not good.

-John
 
Zorkorist said:
No... it is land of the free.

Liberals, like yourself, are using the argument of the Constitution, to say all is good.

All is not good.

-John
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Yes let's not look to the actual governing document for the country, let's look at a song someone wrote years later.

I hope you're just drunk again, as that's impossibly dumb.
 
Zorkorist said:
There is nothing "legal" about the Declaration of Independence, but yet it is one of, if not, the pre-eminent documents of the United States of America.

We declared "Independence" from a Government that was harming our pursuit of life, liberty, and our pursuit of happiness.

It's a document that says, FUCK YOU, Government. This is America. This is the land of the FREE.

--

This is not the land of, "who said you had the right to do that?!"

-John
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And the first thing they did was set up their own government.
 
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