Peanut Butter, The Atheist's Nightmare!
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Whoozyerdaddy
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eits
Lifer
omg... wtf? "life from non-life apart from God's direct intervention is a fairy tale. but, dispite that obvious truth..."
hahahaha stfu and quit giving christians a bad name... jesus christ.
edit: fast forward to jerry falwell giving his little peanut butter speech...
"... and if we open a jar of peanut butter and look in there, there's no new life... and aren't you glad? now, you may smile at this, but hopefully, you'll never forget it..."
<--- that's not a smile, and don't worry... i won't forget it.
hahahaha stfu and quit giving christians a bad name... jesus christ.
edit: fast forward to jerry falwell giving his little peanut butter speech...
"... and if we open a jar of peanut butter and look in there, there's no new life... and aren't you glad? now, you may smile at this, but hopefully, you'll never forget it..."
<--- that's not a smile, and don't worry... i won't forget it.
Whoozyerdaddy
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I wonder how many impressionable youth see such nonsense and then indoctrinate it into their own minds?
I have to wonder how people come up with such videos. Obviously they had to give it some consideration, because otherwise they wouldn't have derived such nonsensical conclusions in the first place. Do they purposely mislead, or are they afraid to understand evolution so they just pick out bits of information they can twist to agree with their own ideals? I'm sincerely trying to understand what happens here.
Forget about what people believe or don't believe; it's the ignorance and lack of rationalism that irks me the most.
I have to wonder how people come up with such videos. Obviously they had to give it some consideration, because otherwise they wouldn't have derived such nonsensical conclusions in the first place. Do they purposely mislead, or are they afraid to understand evolution so they just pick out bits of information they can twist to agree with their own ideals? I'm sincerely trying to understand what happens here.
Forget about what people believe or don't believe; it's the ignorance and lack of rationalism that irks me the most.
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SparkyJJO
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Not the best logic in there really at all. Shame that they use that as an example.
But I agree on one thing with them: life can't just "happen" by itself, at all. We can't have just evolved. From what? Sludge, ok, where'd that come from? Had to come from someplace. Oh, it has always been there? OK, then what caused it to start evolving? Every effect has to have a cause, does it not? Oh, the big bang. What caused the big bang?
And so far I've never gotten an answer to that last question except "shut up" lol
But I agree on one thing with them: life can't just "happen" by itself, at all. We can't have just evolved. From what? Sludge, ok, where'd that come from? Had to come from someplace. Oh, it has always been there? OK, then what caused it to start evolving? Every effect has to have a cause, does it not? Oh, the big bang. What caused the big bang?
And so far I've never gotten an answer to that last question except "shut up" lol
NikolaeVarius
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Martin, did you see this on Pharyngula?
Oh well, it's stupid as hell, but it's my conclusion that about 2% of the Evangelicals are strongly, actually against evolution, and the other 98% are pretty much too lazy to read up about it and have demonstrated for themselves the abundance of evidence supporting evolutionary theory or are too afraid to do any critical thinking of their beliefs.
All of that aside, it's unfortunate that militant evolutionists beat their "stupid" and ignorant brethren over the head and mock them. Doesn't seem like the ideal way to either bring anyone over to the evolution and rational theories side or even to coexist.
Oh well, it's stupid as hell, but it's my conclusion that about 2% of the Evangelicals are strongly, actually against evolution, and the other 98% are pretty much too lazy to read up about it and have demonstrated for themselves the abundance of evidence supporting evolutionary theory or are too afraid to do any critical thinking of their beliefs.
All of that aside, it's unfortunate that militant evolutionists beat their "stupid" and ignorant brethren over the head and mock them. Doesn't seem like the ideal way to either bring anyone over to the evolution and rational theories side or even to coexist.
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Not the best logic in there really at all. Shame that they use that as an example.
But I agree on one thing with them: life can't just "happen" by itself, at all. We can't have just evolved. From what? Sludge, ok, where'd that come from? Had to come from someplace. Oh, it has always been there? OK, then what caused it to start evolving? Every effect has to have a cause, does it not? Oh, the big bang. What caused the big bang?
And so far I've never gotten an answer to that last question except "shut up" lol
That's an infinite regress, because you can always keep asking for "What came before..." and you'll never find a definite answer. It's called abiogenesis, and there are a lot of ideas around it. The most notable is probably panspermia, but you will still always have the regress problem.
eits
Lifer
i believe that taking the lord's name in vain is when you claim to believe in him and throw his name around to dupe people into thinking you do...
By the by, the current "best" (as far as I know) hypothesis for how life began is the RNA World Hypothesis, which can't be tested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world_hypothesis
How did it get started? Maybe God himself threw everything necessary for the first proto-biotic life in a lipid bilayer and hand-crafted the first cell, or maybe it was a random collection of chemicals that happened to be in the right spot of a sulfuric pond and got hit by lightening?
We can never really prove if God exists, and we can never prove scientific theories that attempt to explain events that happened 5 billion years ago, so
At the least, we should all agree that molecular phylogenetics conclusively show that different homologues of identical genes in different species have common conserved sequences, and that the parts of the genomes that are not under evolutionary constraint show the amount of evolutionary divergence that would be expected through random mutation in non-critical DNA sequences, and that this diversity is proportional to the amount of time estimated between the separation of species.
So, evolution seems to be very real, and very easily observed - but whether or not God began life, or guides speciation cannot ever be proven - or disproven.
Edited to fix link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world_hypothesis
How did it get started? Maybe God himself threw everything necessary for the first proto-biotic life in a lipid bilayer and hand-crafted the first cell, or maybe it was a random collection of chemicals that happened to be in the right spot of a sulfuric pond and got hit by lightening?
We can never really prove if God exists, and we can never prove scientific theories that attempt to explain events that happened 5 billion years ago, so
At the least, we should all agree that molecular phylogenetics conclusively show that different homologues of identical genes in different species have common conserved sequences, and that the parts of the genomes that are not under evolutionary constraint show the amount of evolutionary divergence that would be expected through random mutation in non-critical DNA sequences, and that this diversity is proportional to the amount of time estimated between the separation of species.
So, evolution seems to be very real, and very easily observed - but whether or not God began life, or guides speciation cannot ever be proven - or disproven.
Edited to fix link.
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Not the best logic in there really at all. Shame that they use that as an example.
But I agree on one thing with them: life can't just "happen" by itself, at all. We can't have just evolved. From what? Sludge, ok, where'd that come from? Had to come from someplace. Oh, it has always been there? OK, then what caused it to start evolving? Every effect has to have a cause, does it not? Oh, the big bang. What caused the big bang?
And so far I've never gotten an answer to that last question except "shut up" lol
Okay then, I have a question for you. Where did God come from? Whoops, got a problem now, huh?
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