Why can't creationists just stick to saying "it's all a matter of faith" rather than come up with junk explanations that only hurt their credibility?
DainBramaged
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They figure the rest of us will get so bored disproving their points every time that we'll just give up and agree with them -- or something like that.
eits
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just made and ate one... so good. i actually drove out to the grocery store for some bananas just to make the sandwich. lightly toasted bread... so good.
I was waiting for a some crazy "life form" to jump out of the peanut butter and scare him to death the second he opened it. Man that would have rocked.
rivan
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Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Not the best logic in there really at all. Shame that they use that as an example.
But I agree on one thing with them: life can't just "happen" by itself, at all. We can't have just evolved. From what? Sludge, ok, where'd that come from? Had to come from someplace. Oh, it has always been there? OK, then what caused it to start evolving? Every effect has to have a cause, does it not? Oh, the big bang. What caused the big bang?
And so far I've never gotten an answer to that last question except "shut up" lol
While this will obviously run the risk of turning this into a P&N discussion - I (an evolutionist) have always turned the question back on the asker. If you're so stuck to your guns that everything needs a cause I can explain to you, you please explain what caused God and I'll get you any answers you want. If you can fall back to "always has been and always will be" why can't I?
TehMac
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He came from himself. How bout that Mr Smartass?Originally posted by: bum
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Not the best logic in there really at all. Shame that they use that as an example.
But I agree on one thing with them: life can't just "happen" by itself, at all. We can't have just evolved. From what? Sludge, ok, where'd that come from? Had to come from someplace. Oh, it has always been there? OK, then what caused it to start evolving? Every effect has to have a cause, does it not? Oh, the big bang. What caused the big bang?
And so far I've never gotten an answer to that last question except "shut up" lol
Okay then, I have a question for you. Where did God come from? Whoops, got a problem now, huh?
I find your lack of faith disturbing...
I think a slightly more sophisticated way of stating the answer to your question, bum, is that God supercedes our perceived reality, so to continually regress further and further with questions of "so what caused that? something before it? so what caused that...?" to the Nth degree doesn't even really make sense. If God exists above and outside of our perceived reality, he also exists above and outside of time and space and other mere physical constants and material constraints.
So, from the perspective of man, who is locked in a one-way trip through space and time, asking what came before God makes as much sense as asking how yellow a mile is.
So, from the perspective of man, who is locked in a one-way trip through space and time, asking what came before God makes as much sense as asking how yellow a mile is.
lol that's a terrible argument with the peanut butter. When have scientists ever said that life was created in a span of about two months inside a jar of highly processed peanut butter. With the banana one he at least brings up something that I've never known about banana's however I don't see what that proves, this could be from simple chance, or it could have just as easily been caused by evolution.
irishScott
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Chaotic42
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Notice the way the cow has an anus for easy electrocution. It has lots of delicious meat and milk inside, and it even has an udder that can be worn as a hat on silly hat day. It comes with a cowbell that lets us know when earthquakes are happening.
Isn't God wonderful?
Isn't God wonderful?
judasmachine
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Whiskey
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We need a doctor well versed in lobotomies, stat!
Why did they use a fruit popular with primates? Hmmm?
Tango
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We need a doctor well versed in lobotomies, stat!
Why did they use a fruit popular with primates? Hmmm?
But he's taking it in vein.Originally posted by: Descartes
Maybe you were being funny, but he said dupe, not dope
EDIT: Wow, eits friggin edited it out. "vain" used to be "vein". The joke got owned
Cerpin Taxt
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The point really is that apologists using this defense are guilty of special pleading on behalf of their God. If they can concede that something can exist uncaused, there's no reason why the universe itself cannot be that thing. After all, we do not observe a beginning of the universe. Why should we suppose that there is one?
Kadarin
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Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Not the best logic in there really at all. Shame that they use that as an example.
But I agree on one thing with them: life can't just "happen" by itself, at all. We can't have just evolved. From what? Sludge, ok, where'd that come from? Had to come from someplace. Oh, it has always been there? OK, then what caused it to start evolving? Every effect has to have a cause, does it not? Oh, the big bang. What caused the big bang?
And so far I've never gotten an answer to that last question except "shut up" lol
"We don't know yet" is a perfectly valid answer.
slugg
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Being narrow minded is the quickest path to failure. Being narrow minded with life itself isn't a good idea is it?
And if these people really want to attack evolution, they need to keep in mind that all you need to argue against the bible is... the bible.
And if these people really want to attack evolution, they need to keep in mind that all you need to argue against the bible is... the bible.
That logic is useless! Thats like going back to the experiements Louis Pasture did 150 years ago! He must not understand how to make an sound argument!
He should go read Decartes writings (especially the one that God exists)! Now THATS and argument
He should go read Decartes writings (especially the one that God exists)! Now THATS and argument
Jeff7
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Makes more sense than that video.
These people are morons, as many here have determined. Life would have taken hold over MILLIONS of years! It's right up there with the "airplane made from a tornado in a junkyard" nonsense.
Resist it! Satan is coercing you to destroy God's proof of His existence!
No, far from it. That's the atheists wet dream.
I don't think believers WANT God's existence to be proven - then they would not have to rely on faith, which is what the religion seems to be based on. With proof, what need is there for faith?
It's ok to say that God always existed. As soon as anyone tries to say that the Universe always existed in some form, or that time itself also erupted from the Big Bang singularity along with space and energy, well now, that just can't be so.
I. Don't. Even. Want. To know.
More cowbell.
And in their minds, all they need to prove that the bible is true is... the bible, because it says it's true.
I'll try that on my calculus test today - I'll just write on the test, "The answers on this test are entirely correct. God says so." That's what the "proof" in the Bible amounts to - it says it's true because statements in the book say that God says so.
For some reason, I doubt that I'll get a 100% on the test.
And finally, I'm coming to the conclusion that the vast majority of the population has only a very minimal understanding of the basics of science, and also cannot fathom things like "millions of years," and just how much time that really is. The video talks about our scientists being unable to replicate abiogenesis in a lab. Let's see, how long have we been working on the problem? Several decades? How long did nature have after Earth's initial formation? Maybe a few hundred million years? Nature had slightly more time for R&D, and a much much larger laboratory with much higher energy inputs, and an enourmous budget. Now they seriously expect scientists to be able to reverse engineer the past 4 billion years worth of nature's work in a few decades?
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