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Peace movements do not PREVENT wars. Peace movements CAUSE wars.

Peace Movements Don?t Prevent Wars

Barry Farber
Tuesday, Feb. 18, 2003
Are you behind the president, in favor of using force to disarm Saddam Hussein, willing to share the risks of combat nationally and personally ? and thoroughly rattled by the huge turnouts around the world for the anti-war rallies of Saturday, Feb. 15?

Have some therapy.

Don't try to dismiss the demonstrators as "the usual suspects." The motleyness of many of them may have indeed inspired an agenda-free 8-year-old in New York to exclaim to his mother, "Mom, this place is filled with freaks!" But drop that line. There were also plenty of normal, sincere, employed, sexually untroubled, freedom-loving and pro-American members of those multitudes.

Live with it. You don't have to denounce them, demean them or question their wholeness as human beings.

And don't quarrel with their numbers; even though major media have a mathematical astigmatism that always ? yes, ALWAYS ? assigns greater numbers to liberal turnouts than to those right of center. Accept the count and accept the day as an effective registration of their indignation.

Those people who devoted their time, money, energies and bodies to the marches and rallies around the world are not necessarily communists, fascists, Bush-bashers, Saddam-lovers, America-haters, terminally idealistic, naïve or evil.

They are merely wrong.

They are catastrophically wrong. Peace movements do not prevent wars. Peace movements CAUSE wars. Peace movements, particularly those with good turnouts, convince dictators the other side has no stomach for a fight, even if attacked.

The late Adolf Hitler looked at England in the latter half of the 1930s and saw the crowds of young Englishmen taking the "Oxford Pledge," which defiantly proclaimed, "Nothing is worth dying for!" and "We refuse in any circumstances to fight for King and Country." Meanwhile their American counterparts were declaring, "We pledge not to support the government of the United States in any war it may conduct."

Peace movements embolden aggressors. They also depress the overwhelming majority of people who don't march.

There's something powerful about a steady screenful of people from all over the country and the world screaming and warning your country not to do what you earnestly feel MUST be done. This effect is multiplied by a media mostly in favor of the marchers.

An unspoken but universally understood order issues itself forth. "The marchers will deliver the crowds. The media will deliver the coverage. And together we'll isolate, intimidate and eviscerate the national majority. We'll cut their heart out and lay it on a blanket alongside their liver and their guts."

Lost is the mathematical smallness of the "movement." Found is a fraudulent force that says to many onlookers susceptible to the forces of human nature: "Dear me. I didn't realize we were dealing with such a tidal wave of opponents. Perhaps I'd better rethink my desire to disarm Saddam Hussein or, at least, shut up!"

To this day most Americans believe the North Vietnamese Tet Offensive in 1968 was the communist assault that broke American and South Vietnamese resistance in Vietnam. The Tet Offensive was an unmitigated disaster for the communists; but the resultant media play in the United States made it LOOK like the final communist victory. Interesting stuff.

If you favor anything except the coerced disarming of Saddam Hussein, you probably give yourself an A in humanism, but I give you straight F's in history, reality and common sense.

The peace movement labeled my side "pro-war" during Vietnam. Who can possibly be pro-war? I certainly didn't feel "pro-war." I was strongly, however, in favor of defending South Vietnam against North Vietnamese communist aggression. And I'm sorry we couldn't do it.

If we had, Vietnam today would likely be a dynamic democracy, like South Korea and Malaysia, whose communist aggressors WERE successfully repelled.

Please don't let those throaty mobs convince you you're guilty of wanting to "Beat Iraq," "Conquer Iraq" or "Bring Saddam Hussein to his knees."

Say what you really mean, which I strongly suspect goes something like "I want to remove Saddam's ways and means of making other people miserable ? and frequently making them dead!"

Ask me what I think of the United Nations and I'll give you a cryptic answer: "1937!"

In 1937 Mussolini's Italy invaded Ethiopia. The emperor of Ethiopia, Haile Selassie, the Lion of Judah himself, appeared before the League of Nations ? the one the present United Nations was SUPPOSED to have improved upon ? and, speaking in flawless French, appealed to the assembled statesmen representing the "conscience of the world" to come to the aid of his embattled nation.

"If you don't," concluded Emperor Haile Selassie in language much more diplomatic than this, "you're worthless."

The Italian delegation walked out of the Geneva conference hall. The delegates did nothing to resist the blatant, undisguised, undenied and unapologized-for invasion of Ethiopia. Italy took Ethiopia. The League of Nations disappeared like an Alka-Seltzer tablet under Niagara Falls.

And that, good friends, brings us precisely to where we are today.

The French welcome American armed might every time we're liberating them. The Russians accepted every droplet of the massive military aid we sent them at tremendous loss of American Merchant Marine life after their "ally," Adolf Hitler, attacked them in June 1941. And the Germans of today applauded when America, at tremendous cost in lives and materiel, changed their regime from Nazi to democracy.

And all of those ingrate cowardly hypocrites shower America's face with their spittle as they rush to give mouth-to-mouth resuscitation and open-heart massage to a dictator like Saddam Hussein, proven to be DOUBLE the aggressor Italy was in 1937 and vastly worse in the murder and torture department than even Hitler was known to be when World War II started in 1939.

A New York Journal-American columnist named Arthur "Bugs" Baer, wrote about some long-forgotten United Nations disappointment in its earliest days: "Gee, fellows. Do something quick, or put the brewery back!"

I second the emotion.

And, by the way, is it conduct too unbecoming a columnist to note that the anonymous 8-year-old child mentioned at the top of this screed is my grandson! I mean the one who said of the New York peace rally when he and his parents first got there, "Mom, this place is filled with freaks!"

His quote as they were on their way home went like this: "There BETTER not be a war, because I never want to see those people gather together again!"

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/2/17/184203.shtml
 
I'am shure the despot of Iraq was greatly encourage by the turnout of "usefull idiot" protesters over the weekend. His torture chambers and dungeons are in full screaming capacity thanks to the liberal appeasers support.
 
Originally posted by: IGBT
I'am shure the despot of Iraq was greatly encourage by the turnout of "usefull idiot" protesters over the weekend. His torture chambers and dungeons are in full screaming capacity thanks to the liberal appeasers support.

I thought we were attacking Saddam because of his "weapons of mass destruction". Now it's because he's a bad bad man?
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Grow up.

I guess you missed Saddam this weekend congratulating the anti-war movement. The movement and the UN are nothing but Saddams Tools.

Funny I thought protests and the like would be the tools of democracy and free speech. I guess if you don't agree with the government you should just keep quiet? Now thats an idea worth fighting for.
 
u see some of the people at the anti-war rallies?


i wouldnt want any of them making any important decisions for me. some didnt seem too stable, or all there.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Grow up.

I guess you missed Saddam this weekend congratulating the anti-war movement. The movement and the UN are nothing but Saddams Tools.



Who cares? This wasn't a protest for his approval, this was a protest against the United States government telling the world to feck off because it wants some damn oil. Whether Saddam likes it or not had nothing to do with what the protests were about.
 
Originally posted by: UDT89
u see some of the people at the anti-war rallies?

i wouldnt want any of them making any important decisions for me. some didnt seem too stable, or all there.
You saw Moonbeam in person!?!?

Hopper
 
Originally posted by: UDT89
u see some of the people at the anti-war rallies?


i wouldnt want any of them making any important decisions for me. some didnt seem too stable, or all there.

Yeah but if you're all for legalizing weed they're you're candidate!
 
Thats an excellent article.

Originally posted by: Jellomancer
I thought we were attacking Saddam because of his "weapons of mass destruction". Now it's because he's a bad bad man?

We are attacking Iraq because we arent satisfied that he is comply to the terms of the '91 ceasefire.
Since we believe Iraq isnt complying with the ceasefire that effictively means that the war is back on. We will renew hostilities.

While the French may not care if others break ceasefires or peace treaties with them (they didnt care when Hitler broke his), we will enforce ours with our military might if need be.
 
Then I guess war movements cause peace... You might be on to something. Let's have troop buildups outside every nation's borders on Earth. What a glorious eternal paradise we will have.
 
Crazy topic.

I guess if you listen too, or read enough propaganda repeatedly......you'll believe anything.

I hope my mind never to turns to mush like that though.
:frown:
 
Originally posted by: Ferocious
Crazy topic.

I guess if you listen too, or read enough propaganda repeatedly......you'll believe anything.

I hope my mind never to turns to mush like that though.
:frown:


Grasshopper is determined to repeatedly prove that he is a complete moron until everyone here knows it.

 
This wasn't a protest for his approval, this was a protest against the United States government telling the world to feck off because it wants some damn oil.

Ladies and gentlemen you now know exactly why most of these so called "war protests" have absolutely no credibility at all.
 
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
This wasn't a protest for his approval, this was a protest against the United States government telling the world to feck off because it wants some damn oil.

Ladies and gentlemen you now know exactly why most of these so called "war protests" have absolutely no credibility at all.

People protest against the war for many different reasons. The only reason they have no credibility with you is because you want the war.

 
Grasshopper, if Peace Movements cause wars then why aren't you in support of them? Obviously you would be extremely dissapointed if there is no war with Iraq.

BTW, did you get your Chopper Training in the Service? Are you in the Reserves? I'd think that someone who is as anxious for war as you seem to be would want to be were the action is instead of sitting back and letting the others do the fighting for you. I'd bet that the Marines or Army would like to have a trained Chopper Pilot such as yourself supporting those infantry men that will be in harms way.
 
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
This wasn't a protest for his approval, this was a protest against the United States government telling the world to feck off because it wants some damn oil.

Ladies and gentlemen you now know exactly why most of these so called "war protests" have absolutely no credibility at all.

People protest against the war for many different reasons. The only reason they have no credibility with you is because you want the war.

I challenge you to find anywhere on this board where I have said that I "want" a war. I'll save you the trouble. I haven't, so shut up. The reason that the "protesters" don't have any credibility is because there are way too many "Bush is warmonger", "No blood for oil", and "No racist war" signs at many of these protests. None of those have any credibility with anyone with any upper brain function.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Grasshopper, if Peace Movements cause wars then why aren't you in support of them? Obviously you would be extremely dissapointed if there is no war with Iraq.

BTW, did you get your Chopper Training in the Service? Are you in the Reserves? I'd think that someone who is as anxious for war as you seem to be would want to be were the action is instead of sitting back and letting the others do the fighting for you. I'd bet that the Marines or Army would like to have a trained Chopper Pilot such as yourself supporting those infantry men that will be in harms way.

well said, red dawn
 
Originally posted by: fluxquantum
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Grasshopper, if Peace Movements cause wars then why aren't you in support of them? Obviously you would be extremely dissapointed if there is no war with Iraq.

BTW, did you get your Chopper Training in the Service? Are you in the Reserves? I'd think that someone who is as anxious for war as you seem to be would want to be were the action is instead of sitting back and letting the others do the fighting for you. I'd bet that the Marines or Army would like to have a trained Chopper Pilot such as yourself supporting those infantry men that will be in harms way.

well said, red dawn

 
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
This wasn't a protest for his approval, this was a protest against the United States government telling the world to feck off because it wants some damn oil.

Ladies and gentlemen you now know exactly why most of these so called "war protests" have absolutely no credibility at all.

People protest against the war for many different reasons. The only reason they have no credibility with you is because you want the war.

I challenge you to find anywhere on this board where I have said that I "want" a war. I'll save you the trouble. I haven't, so shut up. The reason that the "protesters" don't have any credibility is because there are way too many "Bush is warmonger", "No blood for oil", and "No racist war" signs at many of these protests. None of those have any credibility with anyone with any upper brain function.

He should revise his statement. I'll do it for him.

People protest against the war for many different reasons. The only reason they have no credibility with you is because you don't see the world the same way they do. BTW, nice "anyone who doesn't see the things the same way I do cannot think properly" statement. I was this close to agreeing with you to prove I have an upper brain function.
 
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