"PC's are always better"

[konakona]

Do me a favour, and please tell me what you mean by better in this case?

Clearly, you dont mean desirability. I prefer (like most) prefer console gaming - what is so hard to understand about that? Just because my desire for console gaming is more difficult to explain does not mean that it doesn't exist. It is the same with my mates, they prefer console gaming for numerous reasons, and not just for the controller as you assume.

I completely respect that you, and many others prefer PC gaming for many reasons (which I can understand), but you (and others in this thread) seem to think that your needs represent the needs of all.

Thank you for being respectful, and sorry if I came off as being harsh. I do not mean to look down on your gaming preference. Notice that I didnt say anything about those games are that are only available on consoles, or people who prefer such games.

Compare games that launched in multiple platforms and you would agree PC versions most always have better graphics, mods, customizability, better online play and so on.

It is just that whenever you look at games that were launched simultaneously across different platforms, PC games leave more room for user customizations and advanced filtering techniques with the visuals.

In the past, it was either the hardware limitation in the gpu/cpu department or the controller issue that kept from computers catching up to the consoles. Things have changed much as time went by, and I think PCs can do anything consoles are capable of nowadays hardware wise. That would point to another reason for console's dominance in certain segments - exclusive titles and prejudice/expectation of the type of gamers that would gravitate to a certain platform, and thus the difference in production budget, genre, etc.

XBOX/XBOX360 is a testament to this - they are/were every bit just as good as the competition hardware wise. The precedessor didnt fare so well solely due to the reasons discussed above, and the successor is a definite success again for the same reasons. Whenever games are available on both computer/360 though... While computer' strength prevails, the only argument for consoles are controllers (when people actually prefer it) and being able to play together largely due to a bigger TV. I dont think either is necessarily tied to a console - you could easily hook up your computer to a big screen if you desire to do so. Monitors are gradually becoming larger too...

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: bullbert

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
If you're a PC Gamer then your mouth is already tightly affixed to Bill Gates' anus.

Actually, If you're a XBox 360 Gamer then your mouth is already tightly affixed to Bill Gates' anus.

If you're a PC Gamer then you can surf the web for your own brand of porn.

Actually its both if you wanna get into it.

Exactly. It's almost a masochistic relationship, gamers have with MS. They release buggy products, leave gaping security holes in their software, and enforce draconian DRM restrictions continually, with absolutely no sign of changing. The fuckers even tried to set your house on fire with their XBox power adapter. But, there's only one place to go for your gaming fix...

And all this for what, so you can play some mindless piece of shit game that only serves to drive your IQ down a few more points?

Try thinking before you post. I was talking about PC games and console games. Therefor by addressing me, you're talking about PC games too. But hey, I understand. It's hard to type with your penis jammed into a floppy drive.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: bullbert

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
If you're a PC Gamer then your mouth is already tightly affixed to Bill Gates' anus.

Actually, If you're a XBox 360 Gamer then your mouth is already tightly affixed to Bill Gates' anus.

If you're a PC Gamer then you can surf the web for your own brand of porn.

Actually its both if you wanna get into it.

Exactly. It's almost a masochistic relationship, gamers have with MS. They release buggy products, leave gaping security holes in their software, and enforce draconian DRM restrictions continually, with absolutely no sign of changing. The fuckers even tried to set your house on fire with their XBox power adapter. But, there's only one place to go for your gaming fix...

And all this for what, so you can play some mindless piece of shit game that only serves to drive your IQ down a few more points?

Try thinking before you post. I was talking about PC games and console games. Therefor by addressing me, you're talking about PC games too. But hey, I understand. It's hard to type with your penis jammed into a floppy drive.

No kidding. I was talking about games in general, PC included. Thanks for being an asshole, though.

 

[Cellulose]

Originally posted by: konakona

Do me a favour, and please tell me what you mean by better in this case?

Clearly, you dont mean desirability. I prefer (like most) prefer console gaming - what is so hard to understand about that? Just because my desire for console gaming is more difficult to explain does not mean that it doesn't exist. It is the same with my mates, they prefer console gaming for numerous reasons, and not just for the controller as you assume.

I completely respect that you, and many others prefer PC gaming for many reasons (which I can understand), but you (and others in this thread) seem to think that your needs represent the needs of all.

Thank you for being respectful, and sorry if I came off as being harsh. I do not mean to look down on your gaming preference. Notice that I didnt say anything about those games are that are only available on consoles, or people who prefer such games.

Compare games that launched in multiple platforms and you would agree PC versions most always have better graphics, mods, customizability, better online play and so on.

It is just that whenever you look at games that were launched simultaneously across different platforms, PC games leave more room for user customizations and advanced filtering techniques with the visuals.

In the past, it was either the hardware limitation in the gpu/cpu department or the controller issue that kept from computers catching up to the consoles. Things have changed much as time went by, and I think PCs can do anything consoles are capable of nowadays hardware wise. That would point to another reason for console's dominance in certain segments - exclusive titles and prejudice/expectation of the type of gamers that would gravitate to a certain platform, and thus the difference in production budget, genre, etc.

XBOX/XBOX360 is a testament to this - they are/were every bit just as good as the competition hardware wise. The precedessor didnt fare so well solely due to the reasons discussed above, and the successor is a definite success again for the same reasons. Whenever games are available on both computer/360 though... While computer' strength prevails, the only argument for consoles are controllers (when people actually prefer it) and being able to play together largely due to a bigger TV. I dont think either is necessarily tied to a console - you could easily hook up your computer to a big screen if you desire to do so. Monitors are gradually becoming larger too...

Sorry - I just feel that so many people (including in this thread) instantly place the PC as superior because they are unable to think of reasons as to why a console has any advantages over a PC. To be honest, I think people just need to take a step back and take look at the overall package with a console compared to a PC. Its not very easy to find specific advantages of the console - as many can now be replicated on the PC in theory (which is what your previous and present post is/was about, like the replication of controllers on the PC for example), but I think it is important to understand that everyone has their own reasons (even if they are unable to express them) for why the console is "better" for their preference/needs/desires. Im not sure if what Im saying just seems obvious to everyone (or even if people disagree completely) - but I became a little unsure after reading some of the other posts in this thread.

Anyways, time to play some Medieval 2 + Kingdoms

 

[bullbert]

It is ALL subjective. The consoles (aside for the constantly repeating RRODs refurb cycles) will always be than PCs for people with the IQ of a glass of water, since they never have to deal with hardware upgrades. The PCs will always be better for people who can manage their own hardware, firmware, and software upgrades, since their system hardware will generally be 3+ years more powerful than the current generation of consoles.

And if done "correctly" (as in, always buying the bestest-fastest-wizzbangyist CPU and GPU, and EBay your current hardware before the prices drop like a rock), each upgrade cycle only cost $20-40. Granted, that is a hassle most lazy and dim-witted people can not deal with, but that is what makes consoles seems like POS kiddieland technology. For example, it has taken the XBOX 360 about 2 years before popular games are convincing people to buy them, and the 360 was designed 3 years ago using cost efficient less-than-cutting-edge hardware and therefore has the power of a 3++ year old PC. Compare that to the AT/FW/SD people who were just discussing selling off their 79xx/8600xx/8800 video cards to upgrade for an additional $20-40 to the latest overclocked 8800xx video cards. Crysis-class-games will NEVER look or fuction as good on the next-gen consoles as it will on their PCs

I am still bewildered at the people who think they are better off spending $400 on an 360 and an additional $400 on required 360 accessories (over the next 6 months), since they incorrectly believe that fighting the PC upgrade game would cost them more.

 

[skace]

I love pcs, I love consoles, but if we are going to simplify this down to a statement, then yea, PCs are always better.

 

[imported_obsidian]

Depends on the type of game. Some games really need a mouse and keyboard like FPS or RTS. Some the controller is better suited for like 3rd person, racing, and sports games.

 

[HannibalX]

This is a silly argument. Why do I have to "pick a side"? The answer is I don't.

If you like consoles and enjoy console gaming, by all means, do that.

If you like PCs and PC gaming, then by all means, do that.

It's OK to like both. This isn't a "war", its fucking video games already.

/thread

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: obsidian
Depends on the type of game. Some games really need a mouse and keyboard like FPS or RTS. Some the controller is better suited for like 3rd person, racing, and sports games.

Glad i don't have issues with a controller for FPS games.

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
This is a silly argument. Why do I have to "pick a side"? The answer is I don't.

If you like consoles and enjoy console gaming, by all means, do that.

If you like PCs and PC gaming, then by all means, do that.

It's OK to like both. This isn't a "war", its fucking video games already.

/thread

Well said. Thats why its great to own both instead of making crap up.

 

[imported_obsidian]

I never said you couldn't use a controller for a FPS. However, a mouse and keyboard is vastly superior. This is partially why PC/console cross multiplayer is a horrible idea as it would severely unbalance the game in favor of PC. Some types of games mouses are just better at.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: obsidian
I never said you couldn't use a controller for a FPS. However, a mouse and keyboard is vastly superior. This is partially why PC/console cross multiplayer is a horrible idea as it would severely unbalance the game in favor of PC. Some types of games mouses are just better at.

Thats true but i never had a issue with switching back and forth.

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: obsidian
Depends on the type of game. Some games really need a mouse and keyboard like FPS or RTS. Some the controller is better suited for like 3rd person, racing, and sports games.

and which is why I said computers can use most of console controllers or equivalents, not the other way around. In the past, what you said was certainly true, but now you have plenty of options on computers. The thing is, the nature of gamers that flock to consoles have created a diverging market in terms of contents available that will take some time to change if ever.

 

[Coldkilla]

Consoles are merely computers that are universalized with full blown hardware updates every 5 years...

I'd like to see a system of computer setups sold, for example:

XFZ1 = Xbox360/PS3
XFZ2 = Xbox720/PS4
And so on...

This way, people buying a computer will know what games they can play at a decent quality, it would say on the game's box itself, the games would come 100% compatible with console online play, and more advanced users could upgrade their systems if they'd want to be ready for the next wave.

I know the idea sounds funny, but, most people don't know anything about the internals of PC's, especially the younger kids. All they know is: Xbox360, PS3... I think a more universal gaming system compirable to a console in terms of games/specs, that would be nice. Then in the future, all games come in 1 format. 1 Single format. This way, game makers don't have to spend months, or even years to go cross platform, instead taking that much needed time to improve their games quality.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: bullbert
It is ALL subjective. The consoles (aside for the constantly repeating RRODs refurb cycles) will always be than PCs for people with the IQ of a glass of water, since they never have to deal with hardware upgrades. The PCs will always be better for people who can manage their own hardware, firmware, and software upgrades, since their system hardware will generally be 3+ years more powerful than the current generation of consoles.

And if done "correctly" (as in, always buying the bestest-fastest-wizzbangyist CPU and GPU, and EBay your current hardware before the prices drop like a rock), each upgrade cycle only cost $20-40. Granted, that is a hassle most lazy and dim-witted people can not deal with, but that is what makes consoles seems like POS kiddieland technology. For example, it has taken the XBOX 360 about 2 years before popular games are convincing people to buy them, and the 360 was designed 3 years ago using cost efficient less-than-cutting-edge hardware and therefore has the power of a 3++ year old PC. Compare that to the AT/FW/SD people who were just discussing selling off their 79xx/8600xx/8800 video cards to upgrade for an additional $20-40 to the latest overclocked 8800xx video cards. Crysis-class-games will NEVER look or fuction as good on the next-gen consoles as it will on their PCs

I am still bewildered at the people who think they are better off spending $400 on an 360 and an additional $400 on required 360 accessories (over the next 6 months), since they incorrectly believe that fighting the PC upgrade game would cost them more.

Sigh....I don't even know where to start with your statement. I guess I'll just say that, I am a computer gamer/enthusiast. I always have been and will always be. I love computer games but I also love my xbox. Why? Let's see, first of all, tech != fun. I think that about shatters your whole statement since it's the only thing you wrote about. I love playing my computer games such as cs, cs:s, ut, crysis, etc etc. But most of the time, it's just simpler to fire up the console and play with some buddies. Not only is it easy, but we're also all on a level playing field (same exact equipment and specs). No need to worry about, "ZOMG, I keep blue screening. WHy!?!" or "That game can't run on my computer". Also, party games are NON EXISTENT (guitar hero, rockband, most Wii games) on the PC. Some people just don't want to deal with the BS that I bolded above just to have fun with their friends (who would also have to be somewhat tech savvy to play with you). When you make some friends you will realize that not everyone cares about computers as much as you do. Also, people don't spend an extra $400 on upgrades for a damn console. Even if they did, the same could easily be said about PC gamers who spend at least 250 bucks just on the graphics card a lone to initially play one or two games (ie crysis craze).

So let's stop with this ignorance because really, just choose what you prefer because it's what you enjoy to do. The statements about console games being totally a waste of money and stupid compared to PC gaming is about as ridiculous as statements made by a 2nd grader about how his x-men action figure is the best compared to power ranger ones.

 

[Jaskalas]

You?re asking a bunch of guys on a PC, on a PC hardware website, in the PC games forum, if a PC is better.

The sampling for this poll is tainted.

 

[bullbert]

Originally posted by: NaOH
But most of the time, it's just simpler to fire up the console and play with some buddies. Not only is it easy, but we're also all on a level playing field (same exact equipment and specs). No need to worry about, "ZOMG, I keep blue screening. WHy!?!" or "That game can't run on my computer".

Yeah, riiight. There are over 20+++ different XBox 360 hardware configurations. And I don't mean Core vs Elite vs Pro. I mean distinctly different motherboards, chipsets, memory, discrete parts suppliers, optical drives, etc. Someone has not been keeping up the leaked M$ hardware revision memos.

No need to worry about, "ZOMG, I keep freezing! RROD!?! ARGH!?! WHy!?!"

 

[bullbert]

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: bullbert
It is ALL subjective. The consoles (aside for the constantly repeating RRODs refurb cycles) will always be than PCs for people with the IQ of a glass of water, since they never have to deal with hardware upgrades. The PCs will always be better for people who can manage their own hardware, firmware, and software upgrades, since their system hardware will generally be 3+ years more powerful than the current generation of consoles.

And if done "correctly" (as in, always buying the bestest-fastest-wizzbangyist CPU and GPU, and EBay your current hardware before the prices drop like a rock), each upgrade cycle only cost $20-40. Granted, that is a hassle most lazy and dim-witted people can not deal with, but that is what makes consoles seems like POS kiddieland technology. For example, it has taken the XBOX 360 about 2 years before popular games are convincing people to buy them, and the 360 was designed 3 years ago using cost efficient less-than-cutting-edge hardware and therefore has the power of a 3++ year old PC. Compare that to the AT/FW/SD people who were just discussing selling off their 79xx/8600xx/8800 video cards to upgrade for an additional $20-40 to the latest overclocked 8800xx video cards. Crysis-class-games will NEVER look or fuction as good on the next-gen consoles as it will on their PCs

I am still bewildered at the people who think they are better off spending $400 on an 360 and an additional $400 on required 360 accessories (over the next 6 months), since they incorrectly believe that fighting the PC upgrade game would cost them more.

Sigh....I don't even know where to start with your statement. I guess I'll just say that, I am a computer gamer/enthusiast. I always have been and will always be. I love computer games but I also love my xbox. Why? Let's see, first of all, tech != fun. I think that about shatters your whole statement since it's the only thing you wrote about. I love playing my computer games such as cs, cs:s, ut, crysis, etc etc. But most of the time, it's just simpler to fire up the console and play with some buddies. Not only is it easy, but we're also all on a level playing field (same exact equipment and specs). No need to worry about, "ZOMG, I keep blue screening. WHy!?!" or "That game can't run on my computer". Also, party games are NON EXISTENT (guitar hero, rockband, most Wii games) on the PC. Some people just don't want to deal with the BS that I bolded above just to have fun with their friends (who would also have to be somewhat tech savvy to play with you). When you make some friends you will realize that not everyone cares about computers as much as you do. Also, people don't spend an extra $400 on upgrades for a damn console. Even if they did, the same could easily be said about PC gamers who spend at least 250 bucks just on the graphics card a lone to initially play one or two games (ie crysis craze).

So let's stop with this ignorance because really, just choose what you prefer because it's what you enjoy to do. The statements about console games being totally a waste of money and stupid compared to PC gaming is about as ridiculous as statements made by a 2nd grader about how his x-men action figure is the best compared to power ranger ones.

You need to read, and possibly reread. Basically, every arguement that you brought up only confirms what I had written.

Oh, and party games EXISTED back in the 80s, even before the PC was a "PC". The Wii did not invent the genre. It only repackaged and mainstreamed the concept when the market was more subceptible to the concept. Excellent marketing. But hardly a revolutionary concept.

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
You?re asking a bunch of guys on a PC, on a PC hardware website, in the PC games forum, if a PC is better.

The sampling for this poll is tainted.

I asked no such thing. I asked for people thoughts on a quote.

 

[bullbert]

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
You?re asking a bunch of guys on a PC, on a PC hardware website, in the PC games forum, if a PC is better.

The sampling for this poll is tainted.

I asked no such thing. I asked for people thoughts on a quote.

Ward, I think you were too hard on the Beev.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: bullbert

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: bullbert
It is ALL subjective. The consoles (aside for the constantly repeating RRODs refurb cycles) will always be than PCs for people with the IQ of a glass of water, since they never have to deal with hardware upgrades. The PCs will always be better for people who can manage their own hardware, firmware, and software upgrades, since their system hardware will generally be 3+ years more powerful than the current generation of consoles.

And if done "correctly" (as in, always buying the bestest-fastest-wizzbangyist CPU and GPU, and EBay your current hardware before the prices drop like a rock), each upgrade cycle only cost $20-40. Granted, that is a hassle most lazy and dim-witted people can not deal with, but that is what makes consoles seems like POS kiddieland technology. For example, it has taken the XBOX 360 about 2 years before popular games are convincing people to buy them, and the 360 was designed 3 years ago using cost efficient less-than-cutting-edge hardware and therefore has the power of a 3++ year old PC. Compare that to the AT/FW/SD people who were just discussing selling off their 79xx/8600xx/8800 video cards to upgrade for an additional $20-40 to the latest overclocked 8800xx video cards. Crysis-class-games will NEVER look or fuction as good on the next-gen consoles as it will on their PCs

I am still bewildered at the people who think they are better off spending $400 on an 360 and an additional $400 on required 360 accessories (over the next 6 months), since they incorrectly believe that fighting the PC upgrade game would cost them more.

Sigh....I don't even know where to start with your statement. I guess I'll just say that, I am a computer gamer/enthusiast. I always have been and will always be. I love computer games but I also love my xbox. Why? Let's see, first of all, tech != fun. I think that about shatters your whole statement since it's the only thing you wrote about. I love playing my computer games such as cs, cs:s, ut, crysis, etc etc. But most of the time, it's just simpler to fire up the console and play with some buddies. Not only is it easy, but we're also all on a level playing field (same exact equipment and specs). No need to worry about, "ZOMG, I keep blue screening. WHy!?!" or "That game can't run on my computer". Also, party games are NON EXISTENT (guitar hero, rockband, most Wii games) on the PC. Some people just don't want to deal with the BS that I bolded above just to have fun with their friends (who would also have to be somewhat tech savvy to play with you). When you make some friends you will realize that not everyone cares about computers as much as you do. Also, people don't spend an extra $400 on upgrades for a damn console. Even if they did, the same could easily be said about PC gamers who spend at least 250 bucks just on the graphics card a lone to initially play one or two games (ie crysis craze).

So let's stop with this ignorance because really, just choose what you prefer because it's what you enjoy to do. The statements about console games being totally a waste of money and stupid compared to PC gaming is about as ridiculous as statements made by a 2nd grader about how his x-men action figure is the best compared to power ranger ones.

You need to read, and possibly reread. Basically, every arguement that you brought up only confirms what I had written.

Oh, and party games EXISTED back in the 80s, even before the PC was a "PC". The Wii did not invent the genre. It only repackaged and mainstreamed the concept when the market was more subceptible to the concept. Excellent marketing. But hardly a revolutionary concept.

What are you talking about...who said anything about the Wii inventing party games. I said they are non existent on the PC. Please take your own advice.

Btw, more complicated also != better.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: bullbert

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: bullbert
It is ALL subjective. The consoles (aside for the constantly repeating RRODs refurb cycles) will always be than PCs for people with the IQ of a glass of water, since they never have to deal with hardware upgrades. The PCs will always be better for people who can manage their own hardware, firmware, and software upgrades, since their system hardware will generally be 3+ years more powerful than the current generation of consoles.

And if done "correctly" (as in, always buying the bestest-fastest-wizzbangyist CPU and GPU, and EBay your current hardware before the prices drop like a rock), each upgrade cycle only cost $20-40. Granted, that is a hassle most lazy and dim-witted people can not deal with, but that is what makes consoles seems like POS kiddieland technology. For example, it has taken the XBOX 360 about 2 years before popular games are convincing people to buy them, and the 360 was designed 3 years ago using cost efficient less-than-cutting-edge hardware and therefore has the power of a 3++ year old PC. Compare that to the AT/FW/SD people who were just discussing selling off their 79xx/8600xx/8800 video cards to upgrade for an additional $20-40 to the latest overclocked 8800xx video cards. Crysis-class-games will NEVER look or fuction as good on the next-gen consoles as it will on their PCs

I am still bewildered at the people who think they are better off spending $400 on an 360 and an additional $400 on required 360 accessories (over the next 6 months), since they incorrectly believe that fighting the PC upgrade game would cost them more.

Sigh....I don't even know where to start with your statement. I guess I'll just say that, I am a computer gamer/enthusiast. I always have been and will always be. I love computer games but I also love my xbox. Why? Let's see, first of all, tech != fun. I think that about shatters your whole statement since it's the only thing you wrote about. I love playing my computer games such as cs, cs:s, ut, crysis, etc etc. But most of the time, it's just simpler to fire up the console and play with some buddies. Not only is it easy, but we're also all on a level playing field (same exact equipment and specs). No need to worry about, "ZOMG, I keep blue screening. WHy!?!" or "That game can't run on my computer". Also, party games are NON EXISTENT (guitar hero, rockband, most Wii games) on the PC. Some people just don't want to deal with the BS that I bolded above just to have fun with their friends (who would also have to be somewhat tech savvy to play with you). When you make some friends you will realize that not everyone cares about computers as much as you do. Also, people don't spend an extra $400 on upgrades for a damn console. Even if they did, the same could easily be said about PC gamers who spend at least 250 bucks just on the graphics card a lone to initially play one or two games (ie crysis craze).

So let's stop with this ignorance because really, just choose what you prefer because it's what you enjoy to do. The statements about console games being totally a waste of money and stupid compared to PC gaming is about as ridiculous as statements made by a 2nd grader about how his x-men action figure is the best compared to power ranger ones.

You need to read, and possibly reread. Basically, every arguement that you brought up only confirms what I had written.

Oh, and party games EXISTED back in the 80s, even before the PC was a "PC". The Wii did not invent the genre. It only repackaged and mainstreamed the concept when the market was more subceptible to the concept. Excellent marketing. But hardly a revolutionary concept.

What are you talking about...who said anything about the Wii inventing party games. I said they are non existent on the PC. Please take your own advice.

Btw, more complicated also != better.

LOL owned.


I also wanna know what are these suppose $400 required accessories you speak of?

 

[bullbert]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
I also wanna know what are these suppose $400 required accessories you speak of?

additional console controllers (wireless gamepads, wireless gamepad batteries, driving wheel, etc) AND console add-ons (headphones, memory cards, harddrive upgrade, HD player, HDTV cables, wifi upgrade, etc) AND LIVE points AND etc

 

[bullbert]

Originally posted by: NaOH
I said [party games] are non existent on the PC.
Btw, more complicated also != better.

Party games have existed over 20 years for the "PC". They just are poorly marketed, and therefore have poor sales figures.

Btw, less complicated (dumbed down) also != better.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: bullbert

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
I also wanna know what are these suppose $400 required accessories you speak of?

additional console controllers (wireless gamepads, wireless gamepad batteries, driving wheel, etc) AND console add-ons (headphones, memory cards, harddrive upgrade, HD player, HDTV cables, wifi upgrade, etc) AND LIVE points AND etc

Premium already comes with a controllers, HDTV Cables, Hard Drive and Headset.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: bullbert

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
I also wanna know what are these suppose $400 required accessories you speak of?

additional console controllers (wireless gamepads, wireless gamepad batteries, driving wheel, etc) AND console add-ons (headphones, memory cards, harddrive upgrade, HD player, HDTV cables, wifi upgrade, etc) AND LIVE points AND etc

Premium already comes with a controllers, HDTV Cables, Hard Drive and Headset.

a massive 20gig hdd