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PCI video cards availability

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I'm trying to find a PCI video card for my friend, but i'm having trouble finding a place to get them, most of them are agp. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
 
Thats looks to be a 64 bit PCI card..so unless he has a server board he probably won't be able to use it..of course they could be backwards compatible, not sure about that...
 
Originally posted by: myocardia
His budget is under $70. Any opinions?
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Yeah, tell him that pci videocards suck, so he needs to buy a new motherboard and an agp videocard.😀
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He's tried to get agp cards in the past, he has tried 3, but every one of them hasn't worked. So he's trying a PCI card now. He's low on $$ so no motherboard right now :thumbsdown:.
 
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Thats looks to be a 64 bit PCI card..so unless he has a server board he probably won't be able to use it..of course they could be backwards compatible, not sure about that...
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He's using a Asus P4533 motherboard. What specs of Video cards should I be looking for?

EDIT: I'm thinking this might be the reason the previous AGP video cards that he tried did not work.
 
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Thats looks to be a 64 bit PCI card..so unless he has a server board he probably won't be able to use it..of course they could be backwards compatible, not sure about that...
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It is 64-bit: link. The 7000 on that page would work just fine, especially since it's performance will be so drastically limited by the pci bus's limited bandwidth.😉
 
Originally posted by: myocardia
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Thats looks to be a 64 bit PCI card..so unless he has a server board he probably won't be able to use it..of course they could be backwards compatible, not sure about that...
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It is 64-bit: link. The 7000 on that page would work just fine, especially since it's performance will be so drastically limited by the pci bus's limited bandwidth.😉
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Do u think this is the best card he will be able to use under $70, considering his motherboard?


I don't understand why he wouldnt be able to use the 128mb card that I showed you. How do you know that he needs to use a server board? What's the difference? Thanks.
 
Since his motherboard doesn't have 64-bit pci slots, he can't use that card that you linked to (the 128MB 64-bit 9200SE). Only server motherboards have 64-bit pci slots. And yes, the 7000 has more video power than he's going to be able to use, since it's going to be slowed down by it not being agp.
 
Anyway, to give any real advice on video cards for your friend, you should tell us a little about the system. I mean, if his system is ancient, no card will help much. If he's got, say, a 1GHz + system with "Intel Extreme Graphics," then there may be hope.

The $44 XFX GeForce MX4000 64MB DDR 128-bit looks like it would be a great card, but I it's a misprint -- all MX4000's are 64-bit AFAIK. I also think it's lying about being a DX8 card.

The $54 Sapphire 9200SE is definitely the best deal.

To put things in perspective, though, the regular Radeon 9200 performs almost identically to the nForce2 integrated graphics according to this article:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040211/radeon_9100-14.html

That's the regular Radeon 9200, which is 128-bit. The 9200SE is 64-bit and therefore slower (not to mention the fact that PCI will slow down texture transfer). So, for $54, you will get graphics that are inferior to the integrated graphics on a $65 nForce2 IGP motherboard. In other words, chances are that you'd be much better off saving that $70 and getting a new board/CPU. The $65 Biostar M7NGC nForce2 IGP is actually a great board I've been using in cheaper systems lately. I don't know how practical it would be for you to get, since we might be talking about a Compaq Pentium III, in which case you'd need a new case, memory, board and RAM.
 
Originally posted by: Tostada
Anyway, to give any real advice on video cards for your friend, you should tell us a little about the system. I mean, if his system is ancient, no card will help much. If he's got, say, a 1GHz + system with "Intel Extreme Graphics," then there may be hope.

The $44 XFX GeForce MX4000 64MB DDR 128-bit looks like it would be a great card, but I it's a misprint -- all MX4000's are 64-bit AFAIK. I also think it's lying about being a DX8 card.

The $54 Sapphire 9200SE is definitely the best deal.

To put things in perspective, though, the regular Radeon 9200 performs almost identically to the nForce2 integrated graphics according to this article:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040211/radeon_9100-14.html

That's the regular Radeon 9200, which is 128-bit. The 9200SE is 64-bit and therefore slower (not to mention the fact that PCI will slow down texture transfer). So, for $54, you will get graphics that are inferior to the integrated graphics on a $65 nForce2 IGP motherboard. In other words, chances are that you'd be much better off saving that $70 and getting a new board/CPU. The $65 Biostar M7NGC nForce2 IGP is actually a great board I've been using in cheaper systems lately. I don't know how practical it would be for you to get, since we might be talking about a Compaq Pentium III, in which case you'd need a new case, memory, board and RAM.
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His rig:

P4 2.4ghz Intel
512 ram
Asus P4533

So what do you think would be the best route?
 
On the ATi side of things, the rare Radeon 9100, then the 9000 and 9200, and the 7500 and All-In-Wonder VE. Don't know what to offer from nVidia or Matrox, or others.
 
He's tried to get agp cards in the past, he has tried 3, but every one of them hasn't worked. So he's trying a PCI card now. He's low on $$ so no motherboard right now .
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What do you mean they didn't work? What was the problem?
 
He's tried to get agp cards in the past, he has tried 3, but every one of them hasn't worked. So he's trying a PCI card now. He's low on $$ so no motherboard right now :thumbsdown:.
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Is the board using 3.3V AGP and you were trying 5V AGP cards or vice versa?
 
If you can find it, the best PCI card is the Visiontek Xtasy 9100. It gets about ~7000 in 3dmark 2001SE with a 2.4 Pentium IV. Not sure about price though (last I saw, it was about $60 (after rebate))
 
Whoa... I totally missed the part about him trying other AGP cards in the past. I was under the impression he had no AGP slot. If he's tried AGP cards but they're not working, he has other problems. Getting a PCI card isn't the solution.

Also, I don't think Asus ever made a board called the P4533. They made the P4T533 (i850E with Rambus), the P4B533 (i845E with DDR), and several P4S533 boards with different Sis chipsets.

For all we know, he's doing something like not disabling the onboard video. Don't get a PCI card. It's a waste of money.
 
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