pc133 compatibility to pc66

Lord Evermore

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The AT FAQs have an article about how to tell chip density. However it depends on you being able to get certain information about the chips used on a module, which isn't always available, especially when you buy online and don't know the exact chips used.

The density is dependent on the organization of a single chip on the module. Older chipsets couldn't support chips bigger than 64megabits, and the next generation went to 128Mb. Current chipsets support 256Mbit and higher densities. Eight chips at 64Mb each makes a 64MB module, and 16 chips makes a 128MB module, which is why older boards say each slot can support 128MB modules; some modules also stacked chips to allow double the size without using higher density chips.

The speed issue is separate from the density issue. It just happens that higher density chips come out while slower speeds become obsolete; nobody is making PC66 memory or chipsets anymore, so nobody is making a PC66 chipset that can use high-density memory, and memory makers don't want to make low-density memory because it's less cost-efficient.

PC133 memory can physically run at PC66 speeds. However many modules don't have the SPD programming to automatically run at those speeds; they only have PC133 speed settings. Most OEM computers use a motherboard that doesn't allow you to set the memory speed manually, it will only detect the SPD settings. If the board can't find the PC66 rating in the SPD, it will assume an unsupported memory type is installed and fail to run.

If your board has manuall control over the memory settings, and supports the particular density of the chips, then you can use PC133 memory in a PC66 system.

The exact model of the motherboard you have, or the computer if it's a brand-name, would allow you to find out what it supports. However given that it is a Pentium series, it is unlikely to support anything higher than 64Mbit density chips, arranged as 4Mx16 or possibly 8Mx8 or 16Mx4. It may not even support that much.
 

DaveSimmons

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Check the FS/FT forum and pick up some old used memory to be safe (PC100 say), or use the memory selector wizard at crucial.com (link at top-left of this page).
 

rainypickles

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thanks for the informational reply!

the computer i am fixing is a sony vaio pcv-150 (p-233, 32mb ram, 4gb).

i looked on the sony site for support, but it is pretty miserable for this older product. but i did find:

(supported)
Total Memory Slot1 Slot2
32MB 32MB EMPTY
40MB 32MB 8MB
48MB 32MB 16MB
64MB 32MB 32MB
64MB 64MB EMPTY
72MB 64MB 8MB
80MB 64MB 16MB
96MB 64MB 32MB
128MB 64MB 64MB
128MB 128MB EMPTY
136MB 128MB 8MB
144MB 128MB 16MB
160MB 128MB 32MB
192MB 128MB 64MB
256MB 128MB 128MB

When purchasing memory to install into the computer, select Dual In-line Memory Modules (DIMMs) meeting the following specifications and guidelines:
168-pin
3.3 Vol
EDO DRAM Requirements: 60 nanosecond (ns), buffered or unbuffered
SDRAM Requirements: 64 bit, 60 or 66 MHz, 60 ns, unbuffered, 4-Clock

if you have any more insights, i'd appreciate it. (i should have known to go look for a faq) thanks!
 

mechBgon

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These would be guaranteed to work: Crucial's listing for Sony PCV-150 As mentioned, PC100 can be expected to work. All the 256Mb Crucial PC133 modules I've owned in the past have worked on chipsets dating back as far as 440LX, but that may not be true of the PC133 available recently.
 

Lord Evermore

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Like he mentioned though, PC66 memory is considerably more expensive than PC133. A Crucial 128MB module of PC133 is only 30 bucks, compared to 50 for the PC66.

Of course, if the BIOS doesn't have memory control settings, you must get PC66. Given that it's a VAIO and not a home-built or mom-and-pop build, you probably have very few settings in the BIOS, and will probably have to use PC66.
 

Gatsby

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I was running pc100 and pc133 mixed in my old abit bp6 setup perfectly.
the pc100 was Kingston valuemax
the pc133 were apacers

they always ran at 66 since my c400 didn't o/c that well