PC Users Obsessing over Computer Heat making Intel and Taiwan Rich

dmcowen674

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All you guys obsessed over the little bit of heat coming from the back of your PC cases has made Intel and the Taiwaneese rich, great going:

6-5-2004 Overheated PCs Mean Hot Business for Cooling Firms

TAIPEI - Powerful microchips are throwing off so much heat that the inside of a personal computer is hotter than Death Valley, helping Taiwan firms specializing in cooling components post sizzling sales.

"The thermal problem is becoming more and more important to PC makers," said AVC Chairman Spencer Shen, whose company is the world's largest manufacturer of cooling components, with a more than 25 percent market share. "They want a complete solution, not just a single component."

The company has forecast its net profits and revenues will both rise 45 percent in 2004, to T$479 million ($14 million) and T$7.8 billion respectively.

Semiconductor heavyweight Intel Corp, which owns a one percent stake in the firm, counts on AVC to provide the design for components to cool its Pentium chips.

Last month, Intel scrapped the development of two new chips in order to rush to market a more efficient technology, a move analysts said was an effort to cut back on the heat problem.

The result should be cooler computers requiring less costly cooling components, as well as fewer embarrassing accidents.

British medical journal The Lancet in 2002 reported the case of a man who used a notebook computer on his lap for about an hour -- and developed blisters on his scrotum.
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Note: There is NO "Heat Problem". Maybe for Intel component base systems there is but I am not convinced of that either.

It is well documented and seen by many people from AT here that run 4 PC's in my attic at 150 degrees, 2 of them AMD and 2 of tejm Intel, all over 1.5 GHZ machines and with no extra fans of any kind, just the power suplly fan and normal CPU fan, no extra case fans or anything.

Electronic chips are made to 90 degree C specification, if they can't handle a day in the California desert temp as described in the above article then "Houston, We have a problem" and it's a lot bigger than some Company making huge profits on a "Refigeration system for the PC".
 

Ackmed

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Wah? Stop being jealous.

I guess the fact the newer CPU's run hotter than ever before doesnt matter, huh?
 

gordanfreeman

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extra heating solutions are not meant for standard computers. the majority of people who buy extra cooling products are normally running extra components like high end gpu's in addition to regular cpu's. many are overclocking making for even more heat being created inside the cases. and sure processors are designed to be able to withstand upwards of 70-80 degrees C but i would bet a cpu running constantly at 30-40C will last longer than one running at 85C.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
All you guys obsessed over the little bit of heat coming from the back of your PC cases has made Intel and the Taiwaneese rich, great going:

You may be tough on the P&N forum dude, but you don't seem to know much about gamer boxes. ;)
 

gordanfreeman

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ps: who cares if we are making them rich? its not like they are running slave labor camps forcing ethnic minorities to manufactur these things... are they ?.?
 

viivo

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I read the post but I fail to see why I should be upset. So companies that sell products people want and buy are making a lot of money? A few people with an imagination want so badly for there to be a vast conspiracy?

"and sure processors are designed to be able to withstand upwards of 70-80 degrees C but i would bet a cpu running constantly at 30-40C will last longer than one running at 85C."

Not to mention how it affects other components in the system when there is no ventilation.
 

dmcowen674

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Of course you guys would "ignore" the "obsessing" part. Confirms the obsessions.

My machine "Games" very well thank you.

ASUS 87N8X-E Dual Mode PC3500 Mem (2 256 sticks)
3200+ XP OC'd
GEForce 5600 FX 128 MB DDR

No extra fans, infact disabled extra fan on the bottom of the Power supply to go back to just 1 Power supply fan and stock CPU fan.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
All you guys obsessed over the little bit of heat coming from the back of your PC cases has made Intel and the Taiwaneese rich, great going:

You may be tough on the P&N forum dude, but you don't seem to know much about gamer boxes. ;)

3200 "bart", A7n8x-dlx, 1gig Mushkin lvl 2 blk 3200 2226
Lian Li PC75B custom, Lexan window, Digidoc 5+, 8-fans
ATI 9800P w/ZM80C
MCX-462 w/Tornado 119CFM 92mm
XPro SP1, 2x120gig WD SATA, 2x40gig WD PATA


Woa, have a pretty similar system to yours except minus 6 fans :shocked:

That's got to be pretty noisy.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Of course you guys would "ignore" the "obsessing" part. Confirms the obsessions.

My machine "Games" very well thank you.

ASUS 87N8X-E Dual Mode PC3500 Mem (2 256 sticks)
3200+ XP OC'd
GEForce 5600 FX 128 MB DDR

No extra fans, infact disabled extra fan on the bottom of the Power supply to go back to just 1 Power supply fan and stock CPU fan.

Why does it matter to you what measures I take to cool my machine dude, or who's getting rich from it? It just isn't rational for you to skate into the C&C forum spouting tripe about something that doesn't concern you in any way. Bad day?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Of course you guys would "ignore" the "obsessing" part. Confirms the obsessions.

My machine "Games" very well thank you.

ASUS 87N8X-E Dual Mode PC3500 Mem (2 256 sticks)
3200+ XP OC'd
GEForce 5600 FX 128 MB DDR

No extra fans, infact disabled extra fan on the bottom of the Power supply to go back to just 1 Power supply fan and stock CPU fan.

Why does it matter to you what measures I take to cool my machine dude, or who's getting rich from it? It just isn't rational for you to skate into the C&C forum spouting tripe about something that doesn't concern you in any way. Bad day?

It doesn't matter to me personally at all. This is a Forum based on Hardware.

I'm just saying there is another view out there besides "Oh My God, My CPU is Way too Hot!" a gazzilion times as you see on the boards, not just here, it is clearly an obsession and has very little scientific fact and basis for the overreaction.

I'm different and evil because I'm not screaming "Yea your CPU is way too Hot dude you better get a minus 40 C Chiller on that thing immediately" :roll:
 

gordanfreeman

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so you are criticizing people for trying to run a cooler system. its not your money they are spending on more fans/heatsinks/etc. and i dont think its hurting the industry at all. so whats the beef?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: gordanfreeman
so you are criticizing people for trying to run a cooler system. its not your money they are spending on more fans/heatsinks/etc. and i dont think its hurting the industry at all. so whats the beef?

No, they can spend all the money they want on unneccesary cooling. They keyword is "Unneccesary".

Just a view of some Truth, that is all.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Of course you guys would "ignore" the "obsessing" part. Confirms the obsessions.

My machine "Games" very well thank you.

ASUS 87N8X-E Dual Mode PC3500 Mem (2 256 sticks)
3200+ XP OC'd
GEForce 5600 FX 128 MB DDR

No extra fans, infact disabled extra fan on the bottom of the Power supply to go back to just 1 Power supply fan and stock CPU fan.

Why does it matter to you what measures I take to cool my machine dude, or who's getting rich from it? It just isn't rational for you to skate into the C&C forum spouting tripe about something that doesn't concern you in any way. Bad day?

It doesn't matter to me personally at all. This is a Forum based on Hardware.

I'm just saying there is another view out there besides "Oh My God, My CPU is Way too Hot!" a gazzilion times as you see on the boards, not just here, it is clearly an obsession and has very little scientific fact and basis for the overreaction.

I'm different and evil because I'm not screaming "Yea your CPU is way too Hot dude you better get a minus 40 C Chiller on that thing immediately" :roll:

Hardware yes, but blatant and unwarranted "picking" designed, it seems, to ruffle feathers is another thing all together. Also, if it doesn't matter to you, "personally", how others cool their systems, or to what degree, then why bring it up in the first place? Surely you can understand that few if any of the posters here are just itching to have you to lay down the laws of thermal dynamics, or even offer them another "view."

"Obsession" is a clinical condition that just shouldn't be tossed around in polite company. What you're saying is that a bunch of people you don't know much about at all are crazy because they indulge in the extremes of a hobby. This tact indicates that you know very little about the hobbyist mentality and that you have even less respect for the choices of others. Based on what I've read of you, this sort of behavior is very surprising.

And no, you?re not different at all. There are loads of people here who use the anonymity of the medium to express themselves in ways they?d never try in person. Does everything HAVE to be about sarcasm and derision?
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: gordanfreeman
so you are criticizing people for trying to run a cooler system. its not your money they are spending on more fans/heatsinks/etc. and i dont think its hurting the industry at all. so whats the beef?

No, they can spend all the money they want on unneccesary cooling. They keyword is "Unneccesary".

Just a view of some Truth, that is all.


I don't see how CPU cooling is unnecessary. I've killed a CPU on heat before so I've learned my lesson. I personally only run three fans on my PC, CPU, PSU and one case. However I wouldn't go as far as to say that some people are "obsessed" with unnecesary cooling. While I agree that your gains will plateau(sp?) after a certain point on air, I also know that for the average overclocker, underestimating the damaging capabilities of heat is foolish. Furthermore, this topic just makes no sense as it has happy customers and happy business people, yet we somehow get a bad out of it.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Badjokesben
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: gordanfreeman
so you are criticizing people for trying to run a cooler system. its not your money they are spending on more fans/heatsinks/etc. and i dont think its hurting the industry at all. so whats the beef?

No, they can spend all the money they want on unneccesary cooling. They keyword is "Unneccesary".

Just a view of some Truth, that is all.


I don't see how CPU cooling is unnecessary. I've killed a CPU on heat before so I've learned my lesson. I personally only run three fans on my PC, CPU, PSU and one case. However I wouldn't go as far as to say that some people are "obsessed" with unnecesary cooling. While I agree that your gains will plateau(sp?) after a certain point on air, I also know that for the average overclocker, underestimating the damaging capabilities of heat is foolish. Furthermore, this topic just makes no sense as it has happy customers and happy business people, yet we somehow get a bad out of it.

"I've killed a CPU on heat before so I've learned my lesson."

Oh really? You had an out of control Thermal Runaway Condition with a normal HSF???

The Manufacturers (either Intel or AMD) and Engineers all over the world would want to examine this CPU death since it goes against the designed parameters that the Chips are made to.

How did you manage to exceed 90 C with a properly mounted HSF on a CPU?
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Badjokesben
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: gordanfreeman
so you are criticizing people for trying to run a cooler system. its not your money they are spending on more fans/heatsinks/etc. and i dont think its hurting the industry at all. so whats the beef?

No, they can spend all the money they want on unneccesary cooling. They keyword is "Unneccesary".

Just a view of some Truth, that is all.


I don't see how CPU cooling is unnecessary. I've killed a CPU on heat before so I've learned my lesson. I personally only run three fans on my PC, CPU, PSU and one case. However I wouldn't go as far as to say that some people are "obsessed" with unnecesary cooling. While I agree that your gains will plateau(sp?) after a certain point on air, I also know that for the average overclocker, underestimating the damaging capabilities of heat is foolish. Furthermore, this topic just makes no sense as it has happy customers and happy business people, yet we somehow get a bad out of it.

"I've killed a CPU on heat before so I've learned my lesson."

Oh really? You had an out of control Thermal Runaway Condition with a normal HSF???

The Manufacturers (either Intel or AMD) and Engineers all over the world would want to examine this CPU death since it goes against the designed parameters that the Chips are made to.

How did you manage to exceed 90 C with a properly mounted HSF on a CPU?

By turning the fan down to nearly nothing. It's really not difficult at all.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Badjokesben
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: gordanfreeman
so you are criticizing people for trying to run a cooler system. its not your money they are spending on more fans/heatsinks/etc. and i dont think its hurting the industry at all. so whats the beef?

No, they can spend all the money they want on unneccesary cooling. They keyword is "Unneccesary".

Just a view of some Truth, that is all.


I don't see how CPU cooling is unnecessary. I've killed a CPU on heat before so I've learned my lesson. I personally only run three fans on my PC, CPU, PSU and one case. However I wouldn't go as far as to say that some people are "obsessed" with unnecesary cooling. While I agree that your gains will plateau(sp?) after a certain point on air, I also know that for the average overclocker, underestimating the damaging capabilities of heat is foolish. Furthermore, this topic just makes no sense as it has happy customers and happy business people, yet we somehow get a bad out of it.

"I've killed a CPU on heat before so I've learned my lesson."

Oh really? You had an out of control Thermal Runaway Condition with a normal HSF???

The Manufacturers (either Intel or AMD) and Engineers all over the world would want to examine this CPU death since it goes against the designed parameters that the Chips are made to.

How did you manage to exceed 90 C with a properly mounted HSF on a CPU?

By turning the fan down to nearly nothing. It's really not difficult at all.

So it would be the Users fault and not a problem of design parameters especially since all moptherboards have all kinds of settable alarms and would shut the Board down when an alarm limit is reached.

By turning the fan down Thermal Runaway kicks in.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Badjokesben
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: gordanfreeman
so you are criticizing people for trying to run a cooler system. its not your money they are spending on more fans/heatsinks/etc. and i dont think its hurting the industry at all. so whats the beef?

No, they can spend all the money they want on unneccesary cooling. They keyword is "Unneccesary".

Just a view of some Truth, that is all.


I don't see how CPU cooling is unnecessary. I've killed a CPU on heat before so I've learned my lesson. I personally only run three fans on my PC, CPU, PSU and one case. However I wouldn't go as far as to say that some people are "obsessed" with unnecesary cooling. While I agree that your gains will plateau(sp?) after a certain point on air, I also know that for the average overclocker, underestimating the damaging capabilities of heat is foolish. Furthermore, this topic just makes no sense as it has happy customers and happy business people, yet we somehow get a bad out of it.

"I've killed a CPU on heat before so I've learned my lesson."

Oh really? You had an out of control Thermal Runaway Condition with a normal HSF???

The Manufacturers (either Intel or AMD) and Engineers all over the world would want to examine this CPU death since it goes against the designed parameters that the Chips are made to.

How did you manage to exceed 90 C with a properly mounted HSF on a CPU?

By turning the fan down to nearly nothing. It's really not difficult at all.

So it would be the Users fault and not a problem of design parameters especially since all moptherboards have all kinds of settable alarms and would shut the Board down when an alarm limit is reached.

By turning the fan down Thermal Runaway kicks in.
And the fix for both the noise (he slowed the fan down, after all) and heat problem is to spend $35-$70 on a heatsink and fan. Damn Zalman and Thermalright. Panasonic and Aerocool, too!
:)