Originally posted by: sparkyclarky
Originally posted by: Childs
Originally posted by: Lucifer
Originally posted by: sparkyclarky
I should make my self more clear then. The drives wouldn't be officially supported. You have to use 3rd pary software. Also, if you wanted to burn a cd off of the Finder using an unsupported drive, you won't be able to. You need 3rd party software. But, Roxio Toast Titanium does everything, so burning cd's off of the Finder isn't a concern for me.
You can use an unsupported burner in finder or Apple apps without any 3rd party software. All you have to do is create a drp profile. I'm using a NuTech POS burner in my PowerMac, just because I can.
I'd guess that is what PatchBurn does. It's a no brainer solution used to shut up all the fanboys going 'OMG..OMG.....all dat Apple so spensive!!LOLROFLCOPTER...who would buy such a thing!11!!000!!you are stupid!!!ROFL.'
gee now why would that be? Couldnt be because Windows represents about 98% of installed OS's out there could it?
And exactly what do the other OS's do to stop the spread of virus's that windows wont?
Try worse.
I don't think that's a sufficient answer. The novelty hasn't worn off with me yet, in fact, I ended up getting another mac. I started using modern macs since about a year ago (like I've said previously in this thread, I never wanted to touch them before coz they used to be crap). For the record, the only reason I use and prefer macs is the OS.
Your answer doesn't say anything about using Macs, so your opinion is flawed.
ive spent too much money on IBM compatibles to change and use Mac's
its too late for me!
use whatever u like, thats my advice
its too late for me!
use whatever u like, thats my advice
my opinion isnt flawed, ive used a g5. and honestly, it isnt any better than a pc, plus you pay more for it. the only mac i would buy is a mini or a lappy. the rest are just plain old take the computer out of my hands over priced junk. sorry to say it but you just made yourself that much dumber buying a mac. not only did you pay a butt load more for it... but when you go to upgrade parts, you will pay through the ringer for them too. all for an os that isnt that much better than freebsd or ubuntu linux. take some time and learn something like those, and then you will understand what a good os is. unless you enjoy something that just works out of the box. no work in it at all and it just takes away knowledge rather than instill it.
i still to this day, and will always build and work on pcs. that is as long as they sell parts and leave us able to do so. you can keep your mac, and its simpleton attitude towards working on a pc. i believe its worse than microsoft in making you dumber. but then again, my opinion is flawed... so i am not entitled to it.
i still to this day, and will always build and work on pcs. that is as long as they sell parts and leave us able to do so. you can keep your mac, and its simpleton attitude towards working on a pc. i believe its worse than microsoft in making you dumber. but then again, my opinion is flawed... so i am not entitled to it.
1. how long did you use the G5 for?
2. you previously stated that you prefer the OS. Seeing as how the thing you interface with the most, outside of peripherals like your mice, keyboard, and monitor, is the OS, I don't see why you would slam the Mac so much. You have a huge gap in your understanding about what makes a Mac a Mac. It's a tight integration of hardware and software sure, but it primarily is the OS. While Mac users often dig the appearance of their hardware, the OS is what usually comes up as the number 1 thing that keeps them using a Mac, vs jumping ship to other platforms.
3. upgrades aren't all that much more expensive than on standard x86 boxes, as I have addressed above, so you have little to no point here.
4. the UI in the Mac OS is worlds better than the freeBSD/Ubuntu UI. Comparing the 'look and feel' of OSX to the numerous free Linux distros, none of which has put in any serious time really looking at how non-technical folk use computers is laughable. The underlying technology is a completely different argument.
5. computers are quickly becoming like appliances, with good reason. People do want a computer that 'just works out of the box'. But, much like a standard kitchen appliance, you can take apart a computer and learn more about it, even if it has a functional UI. Saying you can't learn more about OSX because it works out of the box is an absurd argument. Have you ever even explored the terminal?
Your argument smacks of being simple minded and not giving adequate consideration to the computing options made available to you.
I find this insulting and if you're trolling, we don't want it.
You don't know me, you don't know how I use computers, you don't know my history with computers.
For a start, I didn't pay through the ringer for either of my macs. The iBook was better spec'd than most other laptops in it's price range at the time I bought it. I sold an 8 month old PC laptop for it, coz I was sick and tired of the crap I had to put up with on Windows (and linux for that matter, which I was dual booting with). I researched heavily before buying my iMac, and because I'm now familiar with both sides of the market, not just PC's, I had more range to choose from. For the specs, I found my iMac to be worth every penny I spent on it, plus I got an education discount. And trust me, this computer is no piece of junk.
As for upgrading, I have had no problems putting PC parts in my macs, and I can do so at wholesale prices too (being an OEM).
You think the OS isn't much better than FreeBSD or Ubuntu? I beg to differ. Ubuntu is linux, and linux is a pain to configure and get right (trust me, I've done it heaps of times, and just went through it again on my bro's PC with FC4, which I've now replaced with Windows because I couldn't be bothered downloading another distro to waste more time with, besides, he prefers windows). OS X is built on FreeBSD so that's a little closer, but still, the GUI isn't as nice, and no need to stuff around in config files unless you need to (I do for samba, but that's coz I want more out of my Windows file sharing experience than the default options). BTW, Samba configuration on OS X seems less painful than on Linux. I'm not scared of the CLI, I grew up on DOS. I use Linux at University.
I don't know if you've read other posts of mine, but I've used PC's 10 times longer than I've used macs, and I'm no noob. I've used every single version of Windows that was ever released (except the latest longhorn build and windows 3.2). I've used numerous Linux distributions, even as my main OS for many months, configured how I liked it. I just like the simplicity of OS X and the lack of need to configure endlessly (linux) or maintain endlessly (Windows). I rarely had a virus scanner installed on my windows boxes, I rarely needed to. My windows boxes ran nice and stable. But I was sick of defraging every week to keep them in that nice working order (among other things).
I like something that works out of the box. There's nothing wrong with that.
BTW, did I say I'm an OEM, and build computers? PC's for that matter. And I'm a qualified Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Preinstallation Specialist.
Using a mac doesn't make you dumber, it frees you from all the crap you would otherwise have to put up with. So yes, your opinion is terribly flawed, however, you are more than entitled to it. As long as you keep it as an opinion.
the only time the "cant upgrade" thing is true is if you get something like the emac, which is pretty much 3 peices (apart from drives).
if you got yourself a tower you could pretty much slap anything you wanted in it.
i also agree with hopejr on the point of laptops. while apple has recently gone through some laptop troubles (motherboard replacement, battery replacement) the key thing to remember is that apple
1. admited fault.
2. replaced parts free!
may not seem like much but i have run into tons of dell and gateway laptops that were no more than a year old and completely useless because of faulty parts the companies in question couldnt care less. i think apple produces some of the most powerful and reliable laptops in the industry. i have fully functioning laptops from apple that are 4 years or older.
if you got yourself a tower you could pretty much slap anything you wanted in it.
i also agree with hopejr on the point of laptops. while apple has recently gone through some laptop troubles (motherboard replacement, battery replacement) the key thing to remember is that apple
1. admited fault.
2. replaced parts free!
may not seem like much but i have run into tons of dell and gateway laptops that were no more than a year old and completely useless because of faulty parts the companies in question couldnt care less. i think apple produces some of the most powerful and reliable laptops in the industry. i have fully functioning laptops from apple that are 4 years or older.
advice?
don't.
get yourself an:
X2 4600+
nForce4 SLI
7800GT
6600GT
1x Dell 2005FP
2x Dell 1704FP
2x 1GB PC3200
2x 400GB Seagate 7200.8 H/D's
Silverstone TJ05 case
Creative Labs X-FI PCI-E soundcard
Creative Labs I-trigue 5.1 speakers
Ageia PPU
admitedly you will have to wait for the soundcard and PPU, but that is no hassle.
bet it would costs less than an equivalently specced Mac
don't.
get yourself an:
X2 4600+
nForce4 SLI
7800GT
6600GT
1x Dell 2005FP
2x Dell 1704FP
2x 1GB PC3200
2x 400GB Seagate 7200.8 H/D's
Silverstone TJ05 case
Creative Labs X-FI PCI-E soundcard
Creative Labs I-trigue 5.1 speakers
Ageia PPU
admitedly you will have to wait for the soundcard and PPU, but that is no hassle.
bet it would costs less than an equivalently specced Mac
I was taking another look at the Mac Mini and its comparative Mac benchmarks and while I would agree that it would be a great intro-Mac used for everyday tasks, I don't think it has the performance I'd need for multimedia applications. It's a shame too, because at its price, I could easily install an external firewire 7200RPM HDD and gain a 75% boost in performance over its 4200RPM laptop HDD. Plus, it doesn't support dual monitors . That's really a shame too, because the Mini really sounded like an affordable, viable, Mac-option.
Regarding the G5 ? that's great news that "PC" HDDs and RAM will fit with no problems (thanks for the info Lucifer and sparkyclarky). That will save me coin from upgrading the RAM and HDD through Apple because I just bought a new Seagate HDD and RAM for my PC. But even so, upgrading through Apple from 160GB to 250GB, $90 for 90GB isn't that bad. And I assume installing said hardware is just as easy ? open the case and stick it in just like in a PC? Does the G5 support IDE HDDs or only SATA?
. That's really a shame too, because the Mini really sounded like an affordable, viable, Mac-option.Regarding the G5 ? that's great news that "PC" HDDs and RAM will fit with no problems (thanks for the info Lucifer and sparkyclarky). That will save me coin from upgrading the RAM and HDD through Apple because I just bought a new Seagate HDD and RAM for my PC. But even so, upgrading through Apple from 160GB to 250GB, $90 for 90GB isn't that bad. And I assume installing said hardware is just as easy ? open the case and stick it in just like in a PC? Does the G5 support IDE HDDs or only SATA?
Originally posted by: Mhaddy2
I was taking another http://www.macintouch.com/macmini/review.html at the Mac Mini and its http://www.macintouch.com/perfpack/comparison.html and while I would agree that it would be a great intro-Mac used for everyday tasks, I don't think it has the performance I'd need for multimedia applications. It's a shame too, because at its price, I could easily install an external firewire 7200RPM HDD and gain a http://www.budget-ha.com/apple/mac-mini-firewire/ over its 4200RPM laptop HDD. Plus, it doesn't support dual monitors
Regarding the G5 ? that's great news that "PC" HDDs and RAM will fit with no problems (thanks for the info Lucifer and sparkyclarky). That will save me coin from upgrading the RAM and HDD through Apple because I just bought a new Seagate HDD and RAM for my PC. But even so, upgrading from 160GB to 250GB, $90 for 90GB isn't that bad. And I assume installing said hardware is just as easy ? open the case and stick it in just like in a PC? Does the G5 support IDE HDDs or only SATA?
I'd imagine it supports IDE HDD, as it has an optical drive that is using IDE in some form or another. But you'd really be better off going with SATA, as the case is designed with that standard in mind (particularly in terms of free airflow).
SATA and IDE. And opening a PowerMac G5 is simple, just undo the latch on the back, and pull the side off, then lift out the plastic cover inside. The iMac G5 is simple, undo 3 screws on the bottom and lift the back off.
First of all...
Macs don't play games--> just needed to say it.
Windows can't be that crappy is a majority of the population uses windows based PCs
And...mac is allowing the intel based boxes run windows..
windows boxes are making no effort to make the macOS run on their systems...
Bottom line is Macs are for beginners or people who dont like all the windows options/issues etc. Grandmas and students who dont want to deal with all the windows PC has to offer. Macs are easy to use because they use propritary parts- its like driving a sports car 5mph all the time-you wont crash it, but you cant really unlease the potential. MacOS is very pretty and dumbed down.
Its great for what its meant to be, but the more i look at it, the more its not a replacement to windows OS, its an alternative-and if you like that, then thats fine! Its "custimizable options" are just like phone faceplates, you can change the look til youre blue in the face, and people find that appealing. I'm at an office and we dont use macs because they dont offer near the power of XP in this enviornment. I build PCS for my company, and yes i can make them a hell of a lot cheaper than macs no matter how you put it. and I can use my DVD tools to burn to whatever DVD drive i want. I can also install parts with no camptibility issues. I also can buy a new monitor, its not attached to the unit! we have an entire server room with 4 racks of dell servers running intel, and one huge honking IBM machine-none of which are macs. the businesses we deal with-do not use macs.
we have one pc used for the graphics power...and its not a mac either. ati card with an intel chip. all running windows OS.
windows works, and its where this big business is headed.
however, if my mom wanted a friendly pc and had a buttload to spend-get a mac! i wouldnt argue that at all! I am just saying i feel that today's poweruser would be better suited using a windows machine because of its flexibility and power-not to mention the easier to upgrade issue
Macs don't play games? lol. Wrong.
Macs use propietary parts? Wrong. I have an old Powermac G4 400mhz. I can upgrade the processor up to dual 1.8ghz G4's or a single 2Ghz G4. I can upgrade the RAM, the hard drives, add extra PCI cards, and I can add a SATA controller to add SATA hard drives. I can also add optical drives to my computer. I can also change my stock ATI Rage 128 16mb video card to an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb video card. If you would like me to list some links on where I can get these upgrades, I will be more than happy too. OWC being my favorite to purchase upgrades. I can install all kinds of upgrades with no compatibility issues. I can also buy a new monitor for my computer. Right now I am using a 21'' Sony Trinitron monitor. Not all Macs have built in monitors smart guy. I can burn DVD's on my Mac too. My Mac is fully upgradeable.
PC zealots like yourself manage to come up with the stupidest arguments.
The major fundamental difference between a Dell PC and a Apple PC is:
On a Apple you use the Apple motherboard with Apple case with a IBM or Motorola PowerPC proccessor.
On a Dell you use a Dell Motherboard with a Dell case with a Intel x86 proccessor.
Otherwise they are the same.
When you think of Apple think 'OEM PC with unusual proccessor'.
Same harddrives, same RAM, same add-on card slots. Same SATA drives. Same PATA drives. Same dvd cdrom whatever drives. same video cards etc etc etc.
And in a year or two Apple will change it's proccessor over to Intel and change it's motherboard and those differences will be gone.
On a Apple you use the Apple motherboard with Apple case with a IBM or Motorola PowerPC proccessor.
On a Dell you use a Dell Motherboard with a Dell case with a Intel x86 proccessor.
Otherwise they are the same.
When you think of Apple think 'OEM PC with unusual proccessor'.
Same harddrives, same RAM, same add-on card slots. Same SATA drives. Same PATA drives. Same dvd cdrom whatever drives. same video cards etc etc etc.
And in a year or two Apple will change it's proccessor over to Intel and change it's motherboard and those differences will be gone.
show me battlefield2 or half life 2 on a mac, and then get back to me. doom3 just came out for the mac, and it has been on pcs since last august and the performance was horrible.---if macs were meant to play games then i dont think HL2 would just come out for the PC/windows based machines....there is no way in hell you can sit here and say a mac is a gaming rig.
and yes you need to buy a MAC AGP card to put in, whether its radeon or not- when i sell a mac 9800pro, its a lot more than a PC/windows card.
and to the last post, yes the line is bluring, the mac is just morphing into a reg PC---they are allowing more and more elements that bring the mac closer to a regular pc.
a windows pc can do EVERYTHING a mac can do and then some-thats all there is to it. A mac w/mac os is a niche market for a specific buyer.
and yes you need to buy a MAC AGP card to put in, whether its radeon or not- when i sell a mac 9800pro, its a lot more than a PC/windows card.
and to the last post, yes the line is bluring, the mac is just morphing into a reg PC---they are allowing more and more elements that bring the mac closer to a regular pc.
a windows pc can do EVERYTHING a mac can do and then some-thats all there is to it. A mac w/mac os is a niche market for a specific buyer.
Try to run Perl scripts on a Windows machine and see how much fun that is. Or X Windows applications.
Or maybe try Shake (anything newer then version 2.5). I bet that runs well on Windows.
There is plenty that Windows is perfectly incapable of doing (well), not that that sort of thing would be common knowledge for most gaming people.
Or maybe try Shake (anything newer then version 2.5). I bet that runs well on Windows.
There is plenty that Windows is perfectly incapable of doing (well), not that that sort of thing would be common knowledge for most gaming people.
You said that Macs can't game. Now you are saying "There is no way in hell you san sit here and say a mac is a gaming rig." Macs can game. I just gave you a link to some Mac games. Windows based machines have a way higher market share than Macs, which is why PC's have more games than Macs.
You said Macs use propietary parts. I proved you wrong. And me saying I can put a 9800 Pro in my Mac is an example that Macs don't use propietary parts. Now you are trying to come up with an argument saying the card is more expensive for Mac.
PC zealot ++
ITS PROPRITARY BECAUSE I CANT PUT A PC/WINDOWS 9800 IN A MAC!!!
and NO hl2 is not on the mac, and no Guild Wars is NOT on the mac, and i have someone who cant stand any game performance on his NEW mac so hes buying a new windows rig from me...i dont see any top sellig games on the mac and NOT the pc-and outperforming the pc games!
You wonder why windows have a higher market share?
end of argument
and NO hl2 is not on the mac, and no Guild Wars is NOT on the mac, and i have someone who cant stand any game performance on his NEW mac so hes buying a new windows rig from me...i dont see any top sellig games on the mac and NOT the pc-and outperforming the pc games!
You wonder why windows have a higher market share?
end of argument
aw crap this is about someone who wants to buy a mac
go ahead! its a free country! buy what you want!
PC vs Mac is a religous argument, no end in site...just self destruction
go ahead! its a free country! buy what you want!
PC vs Mac is a religous argument, no end in site...just self destruction
Most of the time yes. But, I always participate in Mac threads to help someone and correct stupid information given by PC zealots.
i participate to let it be known that windows owns a majority of the market share for a reason, and if mac rises above then id be happy to be their fan boy if they can deliver as much as windows does.
Windows doesn't have a higher market share because of games.
Its not propietary. If Macs were propietary, that means you would have to purchase parts only from Apple. You have to use Apple parts. You can buy video cards, RAM, processor upgrades, hard drives, etc from various different companies. Meaning, Macs are not propietary.
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