PC Power & Cooling

[pkme2]

In response to earlier email sent by me to PCP&C asking to clearup any questions that I might have. I just received this reply.

Re: production of PSUs
Bob Roark - PCPower

"They are designed and engineered here, then assembled, burned in and tested
at one of 3 factories overseas. They then arrive here in Carlsbad where we
100% retest and verify, and/ or do further customization. All of our
designs are 100% exclusive and are not a copy of anyone elses psu."

It was mentioned that many companies have their units built overseas but the stringent quality standards are checked and double-checked. I'm satisfied that PCP&C meets and exceeds the quality needed for a well built power supply IMHO.

 

[Corporate Thug]

why wouldn't this be in Cases and Cooling?

 

[Insane3D]

Thanks!!!!!!

 

[Sluggo]

I too received an e-mail today.

Mine said:

RE: Weekend
xxx & xxxxx Barnett

Hey greg, we'll see you this weekend, we should be there about 5PM on Friday. Be sure to have the beer iced down.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
why wouldn't this be in Cases and Cooling?

Because it should be in General Hardware?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
why wouldn't this be in Cases and Cooling?

Because it should be in General Hardware?

it was placed in the appropriate place considering all the PSU fanatics and fanboi`s as well as all the misinformation floating around the cases and cooling area!!

 

[jonnyGURU]

I'm not going to comment on how true or not that first sentence is, but I will say...

"Hey! What difference does it really make?"

Seriously....

If Silverstone does nothing much more than slap a label on an Etasis and call it their own, does that really make it any less of a power supply?

The whole point of the "who made who" lists bouncing about the web are to better inform people of what's BETTER... not what's worse. Why PCP&C are CONSTANTLY trying to convince people that they engineer their own product confuses me and, quite frankly, is quite a turn off.

If I want to know why a Silverstone Zeus is more money than a Strider, isn't knowing that one is made by Etasis while the other is made by Enhance going to help that?

If I want to know why I should consider an Ultra X-Finity when the X-Connects have such a bad wrap, isn't it good to know that one is made by Wintech while the other is made by Youngyear?

If I want to know if a Rosewill is a good investment, wouldn't it be good to know that it's actually a Solytech?

Isn't it interesting that ATNG is capable of making a quality unit for Coolmax for their Green Power series?

If CWT Antecs have Fuhjyyu caps that have a tendency to blow up, wouldn't it give me piece of mind to know that the Trio is made by Seasonic?

To quote Shakespeare, "doth protest too much, methinks."

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
I'm not going to comment on how true or not that first sentence is, but I will say...

"Hey! What difference does it really make?"

Seriously....

If Silverstone does nothing much more than slap a label on an Etasis and call it their own, does that really make it any less of a power supply?

The whole point of the "who made who" lists bouncing about the web are to better inform people of what's BETTER... not what's worse. Why PCP&C are CONSTANTLY trying to convince people that they engineer their own product confuses me and, quite frankly, is quite a turn off.

If I want to know why a Silverstone Zeus is more money than a Strider, isn't knowing that one is made by Etasis while the other is made by Enhance going to help that?

If I want to know why I should consider an Ultra X-Finity when the X-Connects have such a bad wrap, isn't it good to know that one is made by Wintech while the other is made by Youngyear?

If I want to know if a Rosewill is a good investment, wouldn't it be good to know that it's actually a Solytech?

Isn't it interesting that ATNG is capable of making a quality unit for Coolmax for their Green Power series?

If CWT Antecs have Fuhjyyu caps that have a tendency to blow up, wouldn't it give me piece of mind to know that the Trio is made by Seasonic?

To quote Shakespeare, "doth protest too much, methinks."

I don't understand why you don't see how companies like PCP&C could actually design their own products. To you, the fact that it's made in the same factory makes it the same as the power supply made in the next production line.

I've worked in manufacturing and I've seen X-box controllers made in a production line right next to a production line in the same building that made deadbolt doorlocks. To say they were the same product would be more than simpleminded. Entirely different things can be made right next to each other and often are. This is where the design(or engineering) comes in. To mock PCP&C's engineering shows that you don't understand production manufacturing and lessens your self-appointed "guru" status. You really ought to rethink your stance on this or take a tour of a factory sometime.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Look what you guys are arguing about... thanks for the laugh btw

 

[pkme2]

Originally posted by: Beachboy

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
I'm not going to comment on how true or not that first sentence is, but I will say...

"Hey! What difference does it really make?"

Seriously....

If Silverstone does nothing much more than slap a label on an Etasis and call it their own, does that really make it any less of a power supply?

The whole point of the "who made who" lists bouncing about the web are to better inform people of what's BETTER... not what's worse. Why PCP&C are CONSTANTLY trying to convince people that they engineer their own product confuses me and, quite frankly, is quite a turn off.

If I want to know why a Silverstone Zeus is more money than a Strider, isn't knowing that one is made by Etasis while the other is made by Enhance going to help that?

If I want to know why I should consider an Ultra X-Finity when the X-Connects have such a bad wrap, isn't it good to know that one is made by Wintech while the other is made by Youngyear?

If I want to know if a Rosewill is a good investment, wouldn't it be good to know that it's actually a Solytech?

Isn't it interesting that ATNG is capable of making a quality unit for Coolmax for their Green Power series?

If CWT Antecs have Fuhjyyu caps that have a tendency to blow up, wouldn't it give me piece of mind to know that the Trio is made by Seasonic?

To quote Shakespeare, "doth protest too much, methinks."

I don't understand why you don't see how companies like PCP&C could actually design their own products. To you, the fact that it's made in the same factory makes it the same as the power supply made in the next production line.

I've worked in manufacturing and I've seen X-box controllers made in a production line right next to a production line in the same building that made deadbolt doorlocks. To say they were the same product would be more than simpleminded. Entirely different things can be made right next to each other and often are. This is where the design(or engineering) comes in. To mock PCP&C's engineering shows that you don't understand production manufacturing and lessens your self-appointed "guru" status. You really ought to rethink your stance on this or take a tour of a factory sometime.

I only wanted to settle a question on PSUs built overseas, regarding quality that has been on my mind. Since many manufacturers build overseas because it's economically feasible.

I believe that proper engineering develops good products, high quality components with high quality manufacturing techniques, go hand in hand to success. I'm satisfied with PCP&Cs response, IMHO.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: pkme2
"... All of our designs are 100% exclusive and are not a copy of anyone elses psu."

I find this rather hard to believe.

 

[pkme2]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: pkme2
"... All of our designs are 100% exclusive and are not a copy of anyone elses psu."

bs

My question is what's your basis for "bs"?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: pkme2

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: pkme2
"... All of our designs are 100% exclusive and are not a copy of anyone elses psu."

bs

My question is what's your basis for "bs"?

That I can't prove, but I'm sure I've read that the Seasonic SS-750JS got its UL cert before the Silencer 750 did, and PC P&C told Seasonic to stop selling it because it was their "exclusive design".

 

[pkme2]

Ah yes, this thread.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=37&threadid=1944792&enterthread=y

 

[Operandi]

Hasn't this been beaten to death already?

Everything that can be said about this topic has already been said here in this Hard Forum thread.

If anyone wants to see the PC&C Silencer vs. the Seasonic Super Silencer from which it's based you can look at these two PC Perspective reviews.

PCP&C <--> Seasonic

You'll noticed the testing method is exactly the same and the test results are very similar but not completely identical; the ripple results seem to vary for example.

Make of it what you will but dose it really matter if it was designed by Seasonic/Win-Tact or PCP&C? I would think the point would be that Win-Tact and Seasonic both build excellent units so if it's a straight off the shelf unit (possible), completely fresh design (not likely), or somewhere in-between (most likely) it should be a solid unit regardless.

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: Beachboy
I don't understand why you don't see how companies like PCP&C could actually design their own products. To you, the fact that it's made in the same factory makes it the same as the power supply made in the next production line.

I've worked in manufacturing and I've seen X-box controllers made in a production line right next to a production line in the same building that made deadbolt doorlocks. To say they were the same product would be more than simpleminded. Entirely different things can be made right next to each other and often are. This is where the design(or engineering) comes in. To mock PCP&C's engineering shows that you don't understand production manufacturing and lessens your self-appointed "guru" status. You really ought to rethink your stance on this or take a tour of a factory sometime.

What?!?! Are you addressing ME?!?! Do you have me confused with someone else?!?!

I never confirmed or denied or argued that they do or do not engineer, design, etc. I actually said that I would not comment on that first statement.

I also NEVER said that because something was made in the same factory it was the same product. But certain factories do have better quality control than others regardless of how many lines they run or what product is coming out of it. I know that personally I would rather have a PSU built by Seasonic then... oh.. let's say... Powmax?!?!

All I DID say was, "does it matter?" And it seems that you're argument is actually the SAME as mine, but you're so busy trying to appear SMARTER than everyone else that you can't even comprehend what you're reading.

You really need to rethink your ability to read if you gathered that what I was trying to say warrants your ignorant response.

Did I mock PCP&C? No.

Did I question their ability to engineer? No.

And I could elaborate on why I'm LAUGHING MY F'ING ASS OFF at your last sentence, but to do so will make me appear pompous and you more clueless than you already seem to be.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Operandi
Hasn't this been beaten to death already?

Everything that can be said about this topic has already been said here in this Hard Forum thread.

If anyone wants to see the PC&C Silencer vs. the Seasonic Super Silencer from which it's based you can look at these two PC Perspective reviews.

PCP&C <--> Seasonic

You'll noticed the testing method is exactly the same and the test results are very similar but not completely identical; the ripple results seem to vary for example.

Make of it what you will but dose it really matter if it was designed by Seasonic/Win-Tact or PCP&C? I would think the point would be that Win-Tact and Seasonic both build excellent units so if it's a straight off the shelf unit (possible), completely fresh design (not likely), or somewhere in-between (most likely) it should be a solid unit regardless.

Exactly!!! 100% agreement!! Everybody has an opinion. But in the end something will be argued about over and over in the end.....

What counts is that you are happy with whatever PSU you purchase be it...Antec or Seasonic or Zippy or PC Power & Cooling!!

If yyou get a PSU that goes out in say 6 months and you don`t mind doing the RMA or for that matter just purchasing a new one thats cool too! It`s your money an if your happy who are we to question?

 

[pkme2]

And all I wanted to do was share. Chill.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: pkme2
And all I wanted to do was share. Chill.

Yeah! Right!
The word attention whore comes to mind.



Exclusive!?!? Only exclusive rights to the unit as long as they can accept...What?..Maybe 5000 units per month?
As soon as that number (whatever number is stipulated in contract) is bought they do have an exclusive!
As soon as they can't accept the contracted number...Anyone can market it, including the OEM

...Galvanized

 

[CurseTheSky]

This reminds me of one of my professors talking about a part-time job he had when he was younger.

He worked in a factory that made wrenches. They made all different sizes and types of wrenches, but ONLY wrenches - no other tools. Basically, after each wrench went through the full assembly line, it went down into a "pool" of other wrenches. People hand selected wrenches from this "pool," and inspected it for defects, tested it for strength, etc. Depending on how they tested, the wrenches were sorted into different categories.

The final step of the process, after the assembly, handling, and quality testing, was to stamp the company logo on it. The highest quality hand-selected wrenches were stamped Snap-On. The next in line were stamped Craftsman. After that, Stanley and a few select others. Below those, the generic brands (a no-name you can pick up at Wal-Mart).

I'm not insinuating that PSUs work the same way; my moral of the story is that you really don't know how your product is being manufactured unless you visit the plant yourself. The most important thing to me is what reputation the product has. If there's a Seasonic that works good, I'll probably buy it. If a Thermaltake has nothing but positive reviews, I'll consider that as well. If Rosewill develops a PSU that people are happy with, I'll compare prices on those. To me, as long as it's a name brand that I know and as long as other customers have had positive experiences with it, it's good enough for me.

 

[pkme2]

Originally posted by: CurseTheSky
This reminds me of one of my professors talking about a part-time job he had when he was younger.

He worked in a factory that made wrenches. They made all different sizes and types of wrenches, but ONLY wrenches - no other tools. Basically, after each wrench went through the full assembly line, it went down into a "pool" of other wrenches. People hand selected wrenches from this "pool," and inspected it for defects, tested it for strength, etc. Depending on how they tested, the wrenches were sorted into different categories.

The final step of the process, after the assembly, handling, and quality testing, was to stamp the company logo on it. The highest quality hand-selected wrenches were stamped Snap-On. The next in line were stamped Craftsman. After that, Stanley and a few select others. Below those, the generic brands (a no-name you can pick up at Wal-Mart).

I'm not insinuating that PSUs work the same way; my moral of the story is that you really don't know how your product is being manufactured unless you visit the plant yourself. The most important thing to me is what reputation the product has. If there's a Seasonic that works good, I'll probably buy it. If a Thermaltake has nothing but positive reviews, I'll consider that as well. If Rosewill develops a PSU that people are happy with, I'll compare prices on those. To me, as long as it's a name brand that I know and as long as other customers have had positive experiences with it, it's good enough for me.

You said it better than me.:thumbsup:

 

[SparkyJJO]

Honestly I could care less who makes the PCPC units, whether they themselves do or not. I won't buy their PSUs regardless because they are too expensive for my budget, and there are other good manufacturers out there who make high quality units without the very high price tag. PCPC isn't the only good PSU mfr out there

My current PSU (antec TPII 550W) isn't in the "really good" list, I bought it based off of previous experience with antec and I had no idea about the cap issue that they have now. The good ones I'm referring to are FSP, Corsair, Seasonic, Enhance...

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: CurseTheSky
This reminds me of one of my professors talking about a part-time job he had when he was younger.

He worked in a factory that made wrenches. They made all different sizes and types of wrenches, but ONLY wrenches - no other tools. Basically, after each wrench went through the full assembly line, it went down into a "pool" of other wrenches. People hand selected wrenches from this "pool," and inspected it for defects, tested it for strength, etc. Depending on how they tested, the wrenches were sorted into different categories.

The final step of the process, after the assembly, handling, and quality testing, was to stamp the company logo on it. The highest quality hand-selected wrenches were stamped Snap-On. The next in line were stamped Craftsman. After that, Stanley and a few select others. Below those, the generic brands (a no-name you can pick up at Wal-Mart).

I'm not insinuating that PSUs work the same way; my moral of the story is that you really don't know how your product is being manufactured unless you visit the plant yourself. The most important thing to me is what reputation the product has. If there's a Seasonic that works good, I'll probably buy it. If a Thermaltake has nothing but positive reviews, I'll consider that as well. If Rosewill develops a PSU that people are happy with, I'll compare prices on those. To me, as long as it's a name brand that I know and as long as other customers have had positive experiences with it, it's good enough for me.

What a poor example, an outright lie from your Prof.

Rosewill aka Newegg developes hemorroids. So much for thier developement work

Snap-On Tools wrenches are made in Kenosha, Wisconsin.



Excuse me, I need to smoke some more Maui Woowie before posting in this thread again
...Galvanized

 

[pkme2]

Excuse me, I need to smoke some more Maui Woowie before posting in this thread again
...Galvanized

In the past, it made me mellow out.

CurseTheSky made his point.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU

Originally posted by: Beachboy
I don't understand why you don't see how companies like PCP&C could actually design their own products. To you, the fact that it's made in the same factory makes it the same as the power supply made in the next production line.

I've worked in manufacturing and I've seen X-box controllers made in a production line right next to a production line in the same building that made deadbolt doorlocks. To say they were the same product would be more than simpleminded. Entirely different things can be made right next to each other and often are. This is where the design(or engineering) comes in. To mock PCP&C's engineering shows that you don't understand production manufacturing and lessens your self-appointed "guru" status. You really ought to rethink your stance on this or take a tour of a factory sometime.

What?!?! Are you addressing ME?!?! Do you have me confused with someone else?!?!

I never confirmed or denied or argued that they do or do not engineer, design, etc. I actually said that I would not comment on that first statement.

I also NEVER said that because something was made in the same factory it was the same product. But certain factories do have better quality control than others regardless of how many lines they run or what product is coming out of it. I know that personally I would rather have a PSU built by Seasonic then... oh.. let's say... Powmax?!?!

All I DID say was, "does it matter?" And it seems that you're argument is actually the SAME as mine, but you're so busy trying to appear SMARTER than everyone else that you can't even comprehend what you're reading.

You really need to rethink your ability to read if you gathered that what I was trying to say warrants your ignorant response.

Did I mock PCP&C? No.

Did I question their ability to engineer? No.

And I could elaborate on why I'm LAUGHING MY F'ING ASS OFF at your last sentence, but to do so will make me appear pompous and you more clueless than you already seem to be.

I thought I made it pretty darn clear I was addressing YOU!!

And when you said, and I quote,

Why PCP&C are CONSTANTLY trying to convince people that they engineer their own product confuses me and, quite frankly, is quite a turn off.

it seems that you are implying that they do not engineer their own products. These were your words and that is the logical conclusion to what you implied. If you weren't mocking them then why are you so confused? Clarify your statement if I drew the wrong conclusion.

I'm glad you found humor in the fact that I can spot your lack of manufacturing and production knowledge. I find humor in your need to attack me and call me names for pointing out something a guru should probably already know.