cmdrdredd
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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
What a poor example, an outright lie from your Prof.
Rosewill aka Newegg developes hemorroids. So much for thier developement work
Snap-On Tools wrenches are made in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Excuse me, I need to smoke some more Maui Woowie before posting in this thread again
...Galvanized
And personally I'll take Mac tools or Craftsman over Snap-Off any day.
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
What a poor example, an outright lie from your Prof.
Rosewill aka Newegg developes hemorroids. So much for thier developement work
Snap-On Tools wrenches are made in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Excuse me, I need to smoke some more Maui Woowie before posting in this thread again
...Galvanized
And personally I'll take Mac tools or Craftsman over Snap-Off any day.
I like Craftman's personally too.
JEDIYoda
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If I may...
I see nothing wrong with what you just posted.
In reading about things like this on other forums and here it makes perfect sense.
I am sure in the written contract between the 2 companies probably states something about design and other matter that involving copying another companies design or work!!
What we all should find interesting is Seasonics response...which was to pull those units....
Which one could conclude it really was PC Power & Coolings design and engineering.
Nothing to get all bent out of shape over.
It was either that or not build the units for PC P&C (or whatever the contract stated). If Seasonic wanted to make more money, they would heed PC P&C's warning.
Then why does PC P&C let Seasonic sell the SS-650JS and SS-600JS units, which should be exactly the same as the SS-750JS except for a lower output? I assume PC P&C is not in the business of designing PSUs for free.
I guess this must be boring to you but it seems when you not correcting, you're interjecting.
By the way, I'm from Maui. Next time you correct somebody make sure you know how to use terminologies. "Maui Woowie" is "Maui Wowee".
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
You two "friends" need to get a hotel
Ah, the Iceman cometh. I'm surprised that the mods haven't talked to you already. I tried to be civil and polite, but there's no way to handle the situation. You have hurled insults and various flames at several people on this thread that I find to be beneath oneself. If you're having a "bad hair day", so be it. If not, and you can't take a hint. SIWTSDS!
Hurling insults
You post a supposed email from pcp&c and you expect me/others to fall all over themselves for thier spin on thier product...Sorry, but it's BS fanboie
I explained what exclusive use means in the world of OEMed PSUs but you failed to read it or if you did read it, the comprehension was off.
pcp&c Silencers are no better than Seasonic or Corsair units. That's just a fact of life, deal with it.!
You post a supposed email from pcp&c and you expect me/others to fall all over themselves for thier spin on thier product...Sorry, but it's BS fanboie
I explained what exclusive use means in the world of OEMed PSUs but you failed to read it or if you did read it, the comprehension was off.
pcp&c Silencers are no better than Seasonic or Corsair units. That's just a fact of life, deal with it.!
Originally posted by: pkme2
surprised that the mods haven't talked to you already. I tried to be civil and polite, but there's no way to handle the situation. You have hurled insults and various flames at several people on this thread that I find to be beneath oneself. If you're having a "bad hair day", so be it. If not, and you can't take a hint. SIWTSDS!
Have to agree. Odd behavior from unusual suspects in this thread. Why hasn't this been locked?
cmdrdredd
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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Hurling insults
You post a supposed email from pcp&c and you expect me/others to fall all over themselves for thier spin on thier product...Sorry, but it's BS fanboie
I explained what exclusive use means in the world of OEMed PSUs but you failed to read it or if you did read it, the comprehension was off.
pcp&c Silencers are no better than Seasonic or Corsair units. That's just a fact of life, deal with it.!
How come you can't spell "fanboy" properly?
JEDIYoda
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What people need to understand is there will always be those who no matter what is posted as a legit e-mail from a company they have issues with that e-mail. For various reasons.
It matters not what the e-mail states because they will always claim that whats being said is "their spin on their product"...nothing can be said to ever change that opinion...
so rather than argue or debate with somebody who has there mind made up based not on personal experience with the product so to speak but rather based on 2ND and 3rd hand information and we know how reliable that is....it is best to just not waste perfectly good forum space to respond and just keep on keeping on!!
But I did find interesting galvanized spin on the word exclusive--
Exclusive!?!? Only exclusive rights to the unit as long as they can accept...What?..Maybe 5000 units per month?
As soon as that number (whatever number is stipulated in contract) is bought they do have an exclusive!
As soon as they can't accept the contracted number...Anyone can market it, including the OEM
...Galvanized
It matters not what the e-mail states because they will always claim that whats being said is "their spin on their product"...nothing can be said to ever change that opinion...
so rather than argue or debate with somebody who has there mind made up based not on personal experience with the product so to speak but rather based on 2ND and 3rd hand information and we know how reliable that is....it is best to just not waste perfectly good forum space to respond and just keep on keeping on!!
But I did find interesting galvanized spin on the word exclusive--
Exclusive!?!? Only exclusive rights to the unit as long as they can accept...What?..Maybe 5000 units per month?
As soon as that number (whatever number is stipulated in contract) is bought they do have an exclusive!
As soon as they can't accept the contracted number...Anyone can market it, including the OEM
...Galvanized
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Originally posted by: Beachboy
I thought I made it pretty darn clear I was addressing YOU!!
And when you said, and I quote,
it seems that you are implying that they do not engineer their own products. These were your words and that is the logical conclusion to what you implied. If you weren't mocking them then why are you so confused? Clarify your statement if I drew the wrong conclusion.
I'm glad you found humor in the fact that I can spot your lack of manufacturing and production knowledge. I find humor in your need to attack me and call me names for pointing out something a guru should probably already know.
It seems you simply misunderstood me.
What I was stating was that it seems that PCP&C seem to "dig their own hole" by rehashing this matter by "leaking emails," etc. is quite a turn off. I neither said they do or do not. I just find it all part of their big FUD campain. FUD can be true or false. Can be accurate or misleading. I never questioned PCP&C's ability to even crap a PSU out of their five hole. I merely stated that I find that rehashing of the subject a bit distasteful.
You don't know me. You don't know what I've done or what I do and you don't know where I've been, so you shouldn't take the liberty of judging my level of competence, experience, what have you, based on one sentence in one post, that was taken out of context and misconstrued.
Did I fly off the handle at you? Sure. Because for you to come out and attack me based on what you assumed my position is. You took something I said out of context, misunderstood it and attacked me on it. So from my end of things, that makes someone ignorant and pigheaded.
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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
But I did find interesting galvanized spin on the word exclusive--
Really, there's nothing incorrect or inaccurate in what he's saying.
The way the process works is that parties "meet" (physically, virtually, what have you), the factory will have a platform and the experts at the reseller will interject their own ideas to improve that platform, etc.
Now, unless there's something unique about this product, something that a patent can be applied for, even if it's a mere design patent, there's really nothing exclusive about this product between the manufacturer and the reseller.
Often times, an agreement is made. The factory knows how many units a day a particular line in the factory is going to be able to put out, and therefore can ask the reseller to commit to the production of that line. This is your typical agreement w/ power supply product and this will give the reseller a contract exclusive.
Unfortunately, this exclusive can backfire on the reseller, especially if the factory sells under their own brand. If the reseller can not sell what the line puts out each month, the factory may take it upon itself to sell the product to another reseller or under their own brand. In MOST cases, the factory is well within it's right to do this.
A real life example of this the MGE XG Duro 900W. XG couldn't move enough units to commit to keeping that particular production line open, so SevenTeam opted out of their agreement and sought another reseller to take over the production of the line. The product still comes off the line, but now with an Ultra X-Pro 750W label on it because of a 3000 unit PO.
Now I believe PCP&C has a bit more power than MGE XG. PCP&C doesn't move a lot of units, but they move more than MGE and can probably keep a line busy for a few months at a shot. It was too premature for Seasonic to pull the trigger on a Seasonic labeled Silencer 750W. So the email from PCP&C to Seasonic was completely appropriate. But if the Silencer 750W were to ever fall from favor, I'm quite sure Seasonic reserves the right to close the line, release the product to another reseller or revamp the product, etc.
Of course, there's always the "wild card" result. What I mean by that is that even if PCP&C doesn't meet their line "quota", they could threaten not to ever use Seasonic as an OEM/ODM ever again if they were to release the Silencer 750W as another brand months from now. This is a tactic Mr. Lee of Antec likes to use. Whether Doug is this way or not, I don't know. Never met him. But the way the industry moves, constant changes, etc. this isn't a tactic that used very often and 9 out of 10 times the line is just closed down.
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
What people need to understand is there will always be those who no matter what is posted as a legit e-mail from a company they have issues with that e-mail. For various reasons.
It matters not what the e-mail states because they will always claim that whats being said is "their spin on their product"...nothing can be said to ever change that opinion...
so rather than argue or debate with somebody who has there mind made up based not on personal experience with the product so to speak but rather based on 2ND and 3rd hand information and we know how reliable that is....it is best to just not waste perfectly good forum space to respond and just keep on keeping on!!
But I did find interesting galvanized spin on the word exclusive--
Exclusive!?!? Only exclusive rights to the unit as long as they can accept...What?..Maybe 5000 units per month?
As soon as that number (whatever number is stipulated in contract) is bought they do have an exclusive!
As soon as they can't accept the contracted number...Anyone can market it, including the OEM
...Galvanized
Now you have something to do with it....lol
I took your comment in the context it was written. And to most people your comment and it's meaning was quite clear.Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
Originally posted by: Beachboy
I thought I made it pretty darn clear I was addressing YOU!!
And when you said, and I quote,
it seems that you are implying that they do not engineer their own products. These were your words and that is the logical conclusion to what you implied. If you weren't mocking them then why are you so confused? Clarify your statement if I drew the wrong conclusion.
I'm glad you found humor in the fact that I can spot your lack of manufacturing and production knowledge. I find humor in your need to attack me and call me names for pointing out something a guru should probably already know.
It seems you simply misunderstood me.
What I was stating was that it seems that PCP&C seem to "dig their own hole" by rehashing this matter by "leaking emails," etc. is quite a turn off. I neither said they do or do not. I just find it all part of their big FUD campain. FUD can be true or false. Can be accurate or misleading. I never questioned PCP&C's ability to even crap a PSU out of their five hole. I merely stated that I find that rehashing of the subject a bit distasteful.
You don't know me. You don't know what I've done or what I do and you don't know where I've been, so you shouldn't take the liberty of judging my level of competence, experience, what have you, based on one sentence in one post, that was taken out of context and misconstrued.
Did I fly off the handle at you? Sure. Because for you to come out and attack me based on what you assumed my position is. You took something I said out of context, misunderstood it and attacked me on it. So from my end of things, that makes someone ignorant and pigheaded.
(although I must admit that your "crap a PSU out of their five hole" comment is a bit odd and could be misunderstood
)And you are still calling me names for some reason. Perhaps it bothers you that someone besides yourself may know a thing or two. Whatever, that's your problem and if calling me names helps you feel better about yourself then I hope you are happy now.
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Originally posted by: Beachboy
I took your comment in the context it was written. And to most people your comment and it's meaning was quite clear.
(although I must admit that your "crap a PSU out of their five hole" comment is a bit odd and could be misunderstood
And you are still calling me names for some reason. Perhaps it bothers you that someone besides yourself may know a thing or two. Whatever, that's your problem and if calling me names helps you feel better about yourself then I hope you are happy now.
Whatever man. If your thing is to take the things that people say and twist them in ways that create arguments out of thin air, more power to you. Sounds like you would have lots of fun in the P&N forums.
I know what I meant in my post, and I'm sure others knew what I meant. I really could care less what you think.
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