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Seems there was quite a ruckus over on another forums concerning 2 letters sent by the CEO of PC Power & Cooling....
Instead of posting the whole threead or even trying to make sense of the thread I will post the 2 letters with a few comments....
The first letter from the CEO of PC Power & Cooling...
As promised, here is the response from PC P&C (actually the CEO of PC P&C) , posted with the writer's permission:
Thanks #### for recommending our products.
As a company policy, we do not respond to forum chatter directly.
However, we would like to make you aware of the following facts:
1. PC Power and Cooling has its own engineers and its own designs. We
have contract manufacturers that build our products exclusively for us.
(To be competitive, every U.S. company has overseas factories)
2. If a Silencer PSU was nothing more than a re-labeled Seasonic,
how could there be a Silencer 750W (that's Quad SLI approved by NVIDIA)
when the biggest PSU Seasonic makes is a 700W (that's not Quad SLI
approved) and it is in a completely different form factor? --- (read the complete thread do NOT jump to conclusions...you will see later......)
3. As for the remark that PC Power and Cooling charges more for its
products, The Silencer 750 actually retails for less than the Seasonic
700!
4. There is no product like the Turbo-Cool 1KW anywhere. Not from
Win-tact (who only sells to OEMs and doesn't have anything over 700W) or
anyone else.
Thanks again for your support,
Doug Dodson
CEO
comments made by the person who sent the letter....
If your contention is that anyone who outsources anything is, by default, a fraud then you win. I think that is very shortsighted with respect to manufacturing in general but so be it, I'll concede the point.
A company that designs a certain spec and then contracts out to have something buile to that spec is not "rebadging", they are competing.
Anothr letter from CEO of PC Power & Cooling a follow up to the last letter...
Our disagreement has caused a bit of a stir in the PSU world. The CEO of PC P&C, Doug Dodson, emailed me again and asked that I post the following for you all. The email further validates your points but is interesting for other reasons as well.
Check it out. Here is the email as sent to me.
Dear ####,
You have my permission to post the following additional information:
1. As stated previously, PC Power has its own engineers and its own designs. Unfortunately, contract manufacturing agreements require verification. We want to thank this forum for bringing a severe violation to our attention that we were unaware of.
2. The Seasonic letter below speaks for itself. (i.e. ?Your 750W design? and Your tooling?) Seasonic?s unauthorized 750 project will be dead within 24 hrs.
3. Modular plugs cause performance and reliability problems. They?re no excuse for a higher price. The fact is, The Silencer 750 EPS12V is one of the lowest priced PSUs available on a $ per watt basis.
4. There is nothing in the market from ANYONE other that PC Power and Cooling that even closely resembles our new Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR, a proprietary single rail 12V design rated at 72A continuous with 78A peak. To back up that statement and put this to bed, we?ll pay $2000 to the first person that can prove otherwise.-----Original Message-----
From: vincent [mailto:vincent_chang@seasonic.com]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:16 AMTo: doug@pcpower.com; Frank Wang - Seasonic
Subject: Re: You have violated our agreement by making this product!
Dear Doug:
I am so sorry to know the mistake we made and Frank did issue an exclusive requirement for your 750W design, it must be some misunderstanding for our document center and marketing department to post this model on our web site. We are not going to sell this model at all otherwise we will not request your anthurization to use your tooling when we visit you last time, please allow us to do something to correct this mistake.
I always see Frank follow up your project the first piority, and this situation also make him feel very bad.
Sorry again!!
Vincent
#########################################################
the above was posted for informational purposes only!!
I will not get in a debate of any type over these e-mails!!
None of the comments in the above except for the disclaimer to read the while thing were my comments!!
here is the entire thread---
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1107331&page=1&pp=20
Again very interesting.....
I did edit this but only from the point of wanting to not get involved in any sort of disagrement!! Alot of people agree to disagree concerning the subject of rebadged verses entirely different verses similar PSU`s......
I personally like this.......many of us could use $2000...lolol
4. There is nothing in the market from ANYONE other that PC Power and Cooling that even closely resembles our new Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR, a proprietary single rail 12V design rated at 72A continuous with 78A peak. To back up that statement and put this to bed, we?ll pay $2000 to the first person that can prove otherwise.
Instead of posting the whole threead or even trying to make sense of the thread I will post the 2 letters with a few comments....
The first letter from the CEO of PC Power & Cooling...
As promised, here is the response from PC P&C (actually the CEO of PC P&C) , posted with the writer's permission:
Thanks #### for recommending our products.
As a company policy, we do not respond to forum chatter directly.
However, we would like to make you aware of the following facts:
1. PC Power and Cooling has its own engineers and its own designs. We
have contract manufacturers that build our products exclusively for us.
(To be competitive, every U.S. company has overseas factories)
2. If a Silencer PSU was nothing more than a re-labeled Seasonic,
how could there be a Silencer 750W (that's Quad SLI approved by NVIDIA)
when the biggest PSU Seasonic makes is a 700W (that's not Quad SLI
approved) and it is in a completely different form factor? --- (read the complete thread do NOT jump to conclusions...you will see later......)
3. As for the remark that PC Power and Cooling charges more for its
products, The Silencer 750 actually retails for less than the Seasonic
700!
4. There is no product like the Turbo-Cool 1KW anywhere. Not from
Win-tact (who only sells to OEMs and doesn't have anything over 700W) or
anyone else.
Thanks again for your support,
Doug Dodson
CEO
comments made by the person who sent the letter....
If your contention is that anyone who outsources anything is, by default, a fraud then you win. I think that is very shortsighted with respect to manufacturing in general but so be it, I'll concede the point.
A company that designs a certain spec and then contracts out to have something buile to that spec is not "rebadging", they are competing.
Anothr letter from CEO of PC Power & Cooling a follow up to the last letter...
Our disagreement has caused a bit of a stir in the PSU world. The CEO of PC P&C, Doug Dodson, emailed me again and asked that I post the following for you all. The email further validates your points but is interesting for other reasons as well.
Check it out. Here is the email as sent to me.
Dear ####,
You have my permission to post the following additional information:
1. As stated previously, PC Power has its own engineers and its own designs. Unfortunately, contract manufacturing agreements require verification. We want to thank this forum for bringing a severe violation to our attention that we were unaware of.
2. The Seasonic letter below speaks for itself. (i.e. ?Your 750W design? and Your tooling?) Seasonic?s unauthorized 750 project will be dead within 24 hrs.
3. Modular plugs cause performance and reliability problems. They?re no excuse for a higher price. The fact is, The Silencer 750 EPS12V is one of the lowest priced PSUs available on a $ per watt basis.
4. There is nothing in the market from ANYONE other that PC Power and Cooling that even closely resembles our new Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR, a proprietary single rail 12V design rated at 72A continuous with 78A peak. To back up that statement and put this to bed, we?ll pay $2000 to the first person that can prove otherwise.-----Original Message-----
From: vincent [mailto:vincent_chang@seasonic.com]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:16 AMTo: doug@pcpower.com; Frank Wang - Seasonic
Subject: Re: You have violated our agreement by making this product!
Dear Doug:
I am so sorry to know the mistake we made and Frank did issue an exclusive requirement for your 750W design, it must be some misunderstanding for our document center and marketing department to post this model on our web site. We are not going to sell this model at all otherwise we will not request your anthurization to use your tooling when we visit you last time, please allow us to do something to correct this mistake.
I always see Frank follow up your project the first piority, and this situation also make him feel very bad.
Sorry again!!
Vincent
#########################################################
the above was posted for informational purposes only!!
I will not get in a debate of any type over these e-mails!!
None of the comments in the above except for the disclaimer to read the while thing were my comments!!
here is the entire thread---
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1107331&page=1&pp=20
Again very interesting.....
I did edit this but only from the point of wanting to not get involved in any sort of disagrement!! Alot of people agree to disagree concerning the subject of rebadged verses entirely different verses similar PSU`s......
I personally like this.......many of us could use $2000...lolol
4. There is nothing in the market from ANYONE other that PC Power and Cooling that even closely resembles our new Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR, a proprietary single rail 12V design rated at 72A continuous with 78A peak. To back up that statement and put this to bed, we?ll pay $2000 to the first person that can prove otherwise.
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