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Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Originally posted by: Varun
a) A CEO of a company has time to respond to someone from a web forum

b) The CEO has no problem giving out his email address to a web forum

c) The CEO sends someone from a web forum a private email between him and another company that he partners with and asks him to post it, and leaves the senders contact information in the email
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Smells like shite to me. Well, it did when i deciphered yoda's bloody layout, christ that was annoying.
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It does smell funny. 🙂

ENERMAXPM used to post here as a rep. from Enermax. He/she was a phony just quoting from the FAQs at the home page, no big deal and no harm done. Since Enermax is a free call for me I talked to them on the phone and was told they have no ENERMAXPM.
This member has since disappeared. They removed PM-ability.

Then we have AntecTechLevel4.....An outright lier, posing as an Antec tech. I emailed Antec Fremont, Calif. and David Forster called me. Yep! Sho-Nuf a phony.
I had quite a conversation with AntecTechLevel4 over in Forum Issues, search for it if you wish. Then someone pasted portions of that conversation over at badcaps.net, in an effort to make me look like a fool. 🙂 Not that hard to do really 😉
Oh! The Mods here banned AntecTechLevel4.

The out come of that clowns pasting that at badcaps.net was.....Antec donated a decent number of PSUs for long term stress testing and I was made a Mod over there 😛 I'm not a cap expert, I just delete spam and ban spammers...Plus I get to read/talk in the Mod Forum :laugh:

So yes this smells to high heaven and will be classed with the above events.

Oh! In the Hard Forum thread...I wonder who OCC_Yoda is 😕

Nice bit of drama for a highly over-rated PSU supplier=The majic of marketing.


...Galvanized
 
Sooo.... GY, call up PC P&C and verify all this for us... i dont have the skill exp. yet Actually it seems like a good suggestion. If other phonys can be removed with a call, why should this be any different?
 
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Sooo.... GY, call up PC P&C and verify all this for us... i dont have the skill exp. yet Actually it seems like a good suggestion. If other phonys can be removed with a call, why should this be any different?
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You do it. PCP&C has a toll free 1-888 number for customer support. Talk to Doug Dodson. Be ready to email him links to this thread and the one at Hard Forum.
Please do it and report back.
I have had quite enough of crazy fan boys. They are like one trick ponies 🙂 I got one that searches my posts here often just to flame bait 😉
I would have avoided posting in this thread but rose to the childish post of Pabster...like a fool I did 😀

Threads like this one, is the only press PCP&C ever gets here at AnandTech...or so it seems 😉


...Galvanized
 
Believe me, I would, but I'm in exams and simply dont have time... im taking my 3 minute breaks just to write these messages 😛 I reccommended you GY since you seem to have experience with it already. Anyone else wanna step up to the plate? I'm sure alot of us would like to know.
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Varun
I'm not sure what the point of this was. Can someone tell me?

Does no one else find it funny that:
a) A CEO of a company has time to respond to someone from a web forum

b) The CEO has no problem giving out his email address to a web forum

c) The CEO sends someone from a web forum a private email between him and another company that he partners with and asks him to post it, and leaves the senders contact information in the email

I call BS on the whole thing and I still don't even know what is being argued. We already knew that Seasonic manufactured PCP&C PSUs.
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If you took the time to read the thread you would understand what the issues were.

BS....hmmmm
your reasons I don`t get!!
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The only thing I got out of the entire thread was that someone thought PCP&C built their own PSUs and got called out on it. Big deal.

As far as my reasons, I didn't expect you to understand anything as elegant as proper business conduct. You don't forward emails on to the web from a business parter ever

If there was a breach of contract then it would be handled confidentialy, at least as long as the parterns were still happy. After that, the lawyers come in. It is not handled by sending an email to a third party to post on a web forum.

If PCP&C treats its business partners like that then I for one would never purchase product from them, and I don't believe any CEO would be so stupid to post a message like that on a web forum so obviously the entire thing is a hoax.
 
My thoughts haven't changed from what I posted there. You might want to give credit to the person that emailed the CEO.

-dB
 
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Originally posted by: Varun
a) A CEO of a company has time to respond to someone from a web forum

b) The CEO has no problem giving out his email address to a web forum

c) The CEO sends someone from a web forum a private email between him and another company that he partners with and asks him to post it, and leaves the senders contact information in the email
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Smells like shite to me. Well, it did when i deciphered yoda's bloody layout, christ that was annoying.
Click to expand...

It does smell funny. 🙂

ENERMAXPM used to post here as a rep. from Enermax. He/she was a phony just quoting from the FAQs at the home page, no big deal and no harm done. Since Enermax is a free call for me I talked to them on the phone and was told they have no ENERMAXPM.
This member has since disappeared. They removed PM-ability.

Then we have AntecTechLevel4.....An outright lier, posing as an Antec tech. I emailed Antec Fremont, Calif. and David Forster called me. Yep! Sho-Nuf a phony.
I had quite a conversation with AntecTechLevel4 over in Forum Issues, search for it if you wish. Then someone pasted portions of that conversation over at badcaps.net, in an effort to make me look like a fool. 🙂 Not that hard to do really 😉
Oh! The Mods here banned AntecTechLevel4.

The out come of that clowns pasting that at badcaps.net was.....Antec donated a decent number of PSUs for long term stress testing and I was made a Mod over there 😛 I'm not a cap expert, I just delete spam and ban spammers...Plus I get to read/talk in the Mod Forum :laugh:

So yes this smells to high heaven and will be classed with the above events.

Oh! In the Hard Forum thread...I wonder who OCC_Yoda is 😕

Nice bit of drama for a highly over-rated PSU supplier=The majic of marketing.


...Galvanized
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yep a regular Sherlock Holmes ya are....hehehe 😀
God Bless America!!
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYodaNo PC Power & Cooling does NOT partner with Seasonic at all!! They contract out to Seasonic to have their PSU`s built to PC Power & Cooling specifications - which are very very detail oriented.
Thats why some would say that PC Power & Cooling PSU`s are custom built![/b]😀
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WTH? You're taking an argument to a different forum in an attempt to try to persuade. Yes PC P&C contracts, but they do not design and only specify to a minor extent, an extent which many customers would not find significant enough to pay more, hence why PC P&C wants to try to imply a distinction as a justification for higher price (though not directly proving this in the similar wattage models). Seasonic is the designer, manufacturer, and the "custom built" concept is sufficiently vague enough to be of no usefulness compared to buying an individual unit based on it's particular merits, rather than which label was on it.
 
Originally posted by: Howard
A CEO usually has better things to do than to handle customer relations, right? I think. I hope. 😕
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Nope. I actually got confirmation that this is all true.

Originally posted by: mindless1

WTH? You're taking an argument to a different forum in an attempt to try to persuade. Yes PC P&C contracts, but they do not design and only specify to a minor extent, an extent which many customers would not find significant enough to pay more, hence why PC P&C wants to try to imply a distinction as a justification for higher price (though not directly proving this in the similar wattage models). Seasonic is the designer, manufacturer, and the "custom built" concept is sufficiently vague enough to be of no usefulness compared to buying an individual unit based on it's particular merits, rather than which label was on it.
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Devils advocate: And exclusivity can actually just mean a commitment PO over the next couple of months or years for X number of units. 😉

 
Originally posted by: Pythias
Nope. I actually got confirmation that this is all true.
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Lets see it.
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???

I could copy and paste a bunch of BS and it would look just like the above and just as easy to say "fraud."

So I'd rather rely on my laurels and just say that I have confirmed that the conversations quoted above are in fact real.
 
Originally posted by: mindless1
Originally posted by: JEDIYodaNo PC Power & Cooling does NOT partner with Seasonic at all!! They contract out to Seasonic to have their PSU`s built to PC Power & Cooling specifications - which are very very detail oriented.
Thats why some would say that PC Power & Cooling PSU`s are custom built![/b]😀
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WTH? You're taking an argument to a different forum in an attempt to try to persuade.YES!!! Because others here also take there arguments and use them on other forums!!
Yes PC P&C contracts, but they do not design and only specify to a minor extent, an extent which many customers would not find significant enough to pay more, hence why PC P&C wants to try to imply a distinction as a justification for higher price (though not directly proving this in the similar wattage models). Seasonic is the designer, manufacturer, and the "custom built" concept is sufficiently vague enough to be of no usefulness compared to buying an individual unit based on it's particular merits, rather than which label was on it.
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YES!!! Because others here also take there arguments and use them on other forums!!

I am not arguing with jonny at all even though we probably don`t agree.

But I know for a fact that PC Power & Cooling when they contract with a company like Seasonic they design and specify all the way down to the CAPs and other parts that go into the PSU what is suppose to be there.

Seasonic does very good work. But the fact is Seasonic is an OEM and they do manufacture other brands of PSU`s that are contracted by whatever company be it Antec or PC Power & Cooling!!

Its also a known fact that PC Power & Cooling has there own in house designers and engineers!

You can put any spin on this you please!
Seasonic as an OEM does exactly to the letter what they are contracted to do. Hence nothing more nothing less!!

Hence a custom built PSU!!

I have never tried to justify the cost of a PC Power & n Cooling PSU-- ever!!

Those of us who own them are loyal to that company!!
We understand and are happy with what we purchased!!

Nobody is forcing you to buy a POC Power & Cooling PSU!!

But it sounds as if you wish you could but cannot thus your diatribe.

The bottom line is simple--- Nobody is forcing you to by a PC Power & Cooling PSU!!



You can that is all BS and thats OK too.


We could go back and forth hashing and rehashing this subject to what purpose?

Not even Jonny or any of the supposed GURU`s at Badcaps.com will say or can say with proof to 1OO% certainty that what I have just stated is not true?

In fact they have in a round about way said the same thing.

We will let PC Power & Cooling rest on its reputation.
While some people who disagree will be buying more than one PSU while I am still running my original PC Power & Cooling PSU!!

But I will tell you there are other real fine PSU`s....Seasonic...Enhance...etc.....

I just happen to buy a PC Power & Cooling Unit!!!

Good luck with your PSU !! 😀

I myself also have confirmed the conversation. But As Jonny stated -- could copy and paste a bunch of BS and it would look just like the above and just as easy to say "fraud."

So I'd rather rely on my laurels and just say that I have confirmed that the conversations quoted above are in fact real.

I had my doubts so I contacted some people on the inside who confirmed what that gentlman in the other forums posted -- concrning the convo between the PSU companies!!



 
Originally posted by: JEDIYodaYES!!! Because others here also take there arguments and use them on other forums!!
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OH, well that certainly makes it ok? Hardly, it's like you feel you lost an argument and want to sneak off somewhere else to claim a shallow victory.

But I know for a fact that PC Power & Cooling when they contract with a company like Seasonic they design and specify all the way down to the CAPs and other parts that go into the PSU what is suppose to be there.
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All the way down means not so much in this case. So they say "use this brand of caps", big deal. They do not design, so sorry but that's silly. Any kid can open any psu and swap different caps in.

Seasonic does very good work. But the fact is Seasonic is an OEM and they do manufacture other brands of PSU`s that are contracted by whatever company be it Antec or PC Power & Cooling!!

Its also a known fact that PC Power & Cooling has there own in house designers and engineers!
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So? I wonder what they do all day, because it sure isn't designing the PSU Seasonic makes.

You can put any spin on this you please!
Seasonic as an OEM does exactly to the letter what they are contracted to do. Hence nothing more nothing less!!
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Nonsense. More like, here's a Seasonic PSU, what changes would you like so it looks more like a unique brand?
That's with the exception of the highest watt models which merely don't sell in sufficient volume for most companies to fool with until recently.

Those of us who own them are loyal to that company!!
We understand and are happy with what we purchased!!

Nobody is forcing you to buy a POC Power & Cooling PSU!!

But it sounds as if you wish you could but cannot thus your diatribe.

The bottom line is simple--- Nobody is forcing you to by a PC Power & Cooling PSU!!
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Where do you get these crazy ideas? We wish but we can't?
Are you suggesting they'd refuse to sell me one? Are you suggesting we're all too poor?
I can see how you might get confused if this is the thought process behind it all.

We could go back and forth hashing and rehashing this subject to what purpose?

Not even Jonny or any of the supposed GURU`s at Badcaps.com will say or can say with proof to 1OO% certainty that what I have just stated is not true?
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You need a new idol, hero, whatever.
 
Originally posted by: mindless1
Any kid can open any psu and swap different caps in.
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That might quite possibly the stupidest comment ever posted in this forum.

I'd like to see you 'swap different caps in' Dr. Einstein.
 
Originally posted by: mindless1
Originally posted by: JEDIYodaYES!!! Because others here also take there arguments and use them on other forums!!
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OH, well that certainly makes it ok? Hardly, it's like you feel you lost an argument and want to sneak off somewhere else to claim a shallow victory.

But I know for a fact that PC Power & Cooling when they contract with a company like Seasonic they design and specify all the way down to the CAPs and other parts that go into the PSU what is suppose to be there.
Click to expand...

All the way down means not so much in this case. So they say "use this brand of caps", big deal. They do not design, so sorry but that's silly. Any kid can open any psu and swap different caps in.

Seasonic does very good work. But the fact is Seasonic is an OEM and they do manufacture other brands of PSU`s that are contracted by whatever company be it Antec or PC Power & Cooling!!

Its also a known fact that PC Power & Cooling has there own in house designers and engineers!
Click to expand...

So? I wonder what they do all day, because it sure isn't designing the PSU Seasonic makes.

You can put any spin on this you please!
Seasonic as an OEM does exactly to the letter what they are contracted to do. Hence nothing more nothing less!!
Click to expand...

Nonsense. More like, here's a Seasonic PSU, what changes would you like so it looks more like a unique brand?
That's with the exception of the highest watt models which merely don't sell in sufficient volume for most companies to fool with until recently.

Those of us who own them are loyal to that company!!
We understand and are happy with what we purchased!!

Nobody is forcing you to buy a POC Power & Cooling PSU!!

But it sounds as if you wish you could but cannot thus your diatribe.

The bottom line is simple--- Nobody is forcing you to by a PC Power & Cooling PSU!!
Click to expand...

Where do you get these crazy ideas? We wish but we can't?
Are you suggesting they'd refuse to sell me one? Are you suggesting we're all too poor?
I can see how you might get confused if this is the thought process behind it all.

We could go back and forth hashing and rehashing this subject to what purpose?

Not even Jonny or any of the supposed GURU`s at Badcaps.com will say or can say with proof to 1OO% certainty that what I have just stated is not true?
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You need a new idol, hero, whatever.
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Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about basd on the misinformed statements you make....

Posted by mindless1 - All the way down means not so much in this case. So they say "use this brand of caps", big deal. They do not design, so sorry but that's silly. Any kid can open any psu and swap different caps in. -- Ok - show me how in anyways a PC Power & Cooling is

Posted by mindless1 - So? I wonder what they do all day, because it sure isn't designing the PSU Seasonic makes.

Posted by mindless1 - Nonsense. More like, here's a Seasonic PSU, what changes would you like so it looks more like a unique brand?
That's with the exception of the highest watt models which merely don't sell in sufficient volume for most companies to fool with until recently.

Posted by mindless1 - Where do you get these crazy ideas? We wish but we can't?
Are you suggesting they'd refuse to sell me one? Are you suggesting we're all too poor?
I can see how you might get confused if this is the thought process behind it all.

I see..I think....
You have no clue to what extent a company like PC Power & Cooling has over what Seasonic builds for them!
Its idiotic to make this statement --Posted by mindless1 - All the way down means not so much in this case. So they say "use this brand of caps", big deal. They do not design, so sorry but that's silly. Any kid can open any psu and swap different caps in. or this statement...Posted by mindless1 - Nonsense. More like, here's a Seasonic PSU, what changes would you like so it looks more like a unique brand? -- that shows you have no idea whats involved!!


Actually its quite obvious by your diatribe you have gone over the deep end-- now you are putting words that were never said or suggested in my mouth--Posted by mindless1 - Are you suggesting they'd refuse to sell me one? Are you suggesting we're all too poor?
I can see how you might get confused if this is the thought process behind it all.

You freinds should be proud of the case you made!!

Nice name by the way..lol
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: mindless1
Any kid can open any psu and swap different caps in.
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That might quite possibly the stupidest comment ever posted in this forum.

I'd like to see you 'swap different caps in' Dr. Einstein.
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If you are ignorant about PSU or electronics in general, don't pretend you know something.

Evidence- Badcaps.com, forums full of people with no formal training at all doing it even to PSU that still work. I don't necessarily advocate that but it is swapping them.

I've been swapping in different caps for far longer than badcaps.com existed, though it was for repair purposes.

All it takes is a bit of time to learn some basics, and this really is a very very basic thing.
 
I?ve read a few bad threads in here, but this transcends lame. In this thread new heights of ?geek? have been reached. And the worst part, I?ve just spent 5 minuets reading an argument about how the parts in a psu are speced.

I?m going to go slash my wrists and gargle with draino.
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYodaI see..I think....
You have no clue to what extent a company like PC Power & Cooling has over what Seasonic builds for them!
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You seem to have forgotten the important noun in that sentence, but regardless there's no need to pretend when we have past examples where there was clearly not a PC P&C design, it was a Seasonic design. Are you accusing Seasonic of stealing PC P&C design for their own units? It'd seem so, as a design doesn't merely cover the capacitor brand- what you propose that PC P&C specifies.


Its idiotic to make this statement --
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You have already established you can't think logically. That nonsense about "wish" was a pretty obvious indicator. Writing idiotic won't support your argument either. Quit while you're only a little behind.


Actually its quite obvious by your diatribe you have gone over the deep end-- now you are putting words that were never said or suggested in my mouth--
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I replied directly to what you wrote. It doesn't get more applicable than that. Perhaps we can all chip in and buy you a mouse with a scroll wheel, so you can more easily go back and read what you wrote?


Posted by mindless1 - Are you suggesting they'd refuse to sell me one? Are you suggesting we're all too poor?
I can see how you might get confused if this is the thought process behind it all.
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You freinds should be proud of the case you made!!

Nice name by the way..lol
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Perhaps you are a child that is easily rattled by names. So you think what wounds you, would wound another? Sadly you have not seen much in the world if you feel this does anything but reflect poorly upon you.

Why did you start the tread? Is there really any place where your style of argument is productive?
 
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