PC gaming VS STEAM gaming.

[clok1966]

Steam saved Valve,not PC gaming. Its one of the worst things to happen to PC gaming.

I would be interested in a single fact to support this. No really, any... (I'm not talking about eh valve part, I'm talking about the PC gaming part.


these threads are such BS, you don't like something DON'T USE IT, don't whine to the people who do use it. USE your ability to not support it to show your dislike, its how the WORLD works. Stating you don't like, no problem, thread after thread.. its just getting old. the World changes, ask old people, computers are evil, not walking to school makes us wimps, having a TV was a luxury nobody had back then.. its called progress, when the masses like it and you don't, you just might have to suck it up and put your big boy pants on.

In the end we are talking an entertainment product, being interrupted for an update is like saying to a starving person your steak is no good cuz your fork and spoon are on the wrong side of the plate, it means so little its next to nothing.

 

[frozentundra123456]

And maybe I'd feel the same way if I wanted to purchase games digitally from steam. But I don't. I have no interest in steam as a store (or anything else). I never had a problem paying retail for games, and these days I'd happily pay above retail for games if it meant that they weren't bound to steam (I would consider that short term pain for long term gain). In my case steam is an inconvenience, and offers me nothing in return. You people seem utterly incapable of wrapping your heads around this concept.

Reminds me of a person I used to work with. Every time we disagreed he said I did not understand what he was saying. Problem was, I understood perfectly what he was saying, I just disagreed with him. I think that is the case here.

I understand what you are saying, and if you feel that way, it is your privilege. However, very few things in life all all positives and no negatives. I think the vast majority of gamers feel that the positives of steam (great sales, no CDs to get damaged or lost, online matchmaking, etc) greatly outweigh the disadvantages. If you somehow want to focus on the negatives and hate Steam, more power to you, but it seems a waste of energy, because like it or not, Steam is here to stay, and many games requre it.

 

[NickelPlate]

Another straw man argument that you just pulled out of your arse. I've made countless posts detailing the many reasons why I dislike steam, and I've detailed one of them in this very thread, although you seem to be conveniently ignoring it.

You hate Steam. That's fine. We get it, at least I do. Why continue arguing? You've derailed the OP's original inquiry. Just play games however you want and don't use Steam if you don't like it.

 

[tidy]

.

 

[thedosbox]

To be fair, that last one wasn't so much directed at you as elsewhere.

He's right though.

What inquiry? The post was a series of statements. I'm still not entirely sure what the OP's intentions were. And don't try to accuse me of 'derailing' the thread, Try reading the first page again. If the thread was derailed, it was derailed well before I ever posted in it.

Worth noting that out of 53 posts thus far, 14 belong to you defending your choices.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

People just like to hate on Steam now that is no longer the under dog, but rather a MAJOR force to be reckoned with. Means the Internet group think must hate it, even as they benefit from it.

You must not have been there during the release of Steam with CS 1.6.

 

[tidy]

.

 

[thedosbox]

It's closer to 14 posts of me trying to explain my steam imposed lack of choice,

You still have choices, just not ones you like.

Anyhow, I can understand your frustration that others don't agree with you, but why derail the thread further when it won't accomplish anything?

 

[tidy]

.

 

[Nebor]

How are there anti-technology Luddites on a tech forum?

 

[NickelPlate]

What inquiry? The post was a series of statements. I'm still not entirely sure what the OP's intentions were. And don't try to accuse me of 'derailing' the thread, Try reading the first page again. If the thread was derailed, it was derailed well before I ever posted in it.

Oh I read it just fine. I think you're the one who should "read" the first page again. Clearly you're on a crusade, expending vast amounts of time and effort to express your grief and hatred toward Steam in someone else's thread. Yet you continue to use Steam presumably. You're really sounding like a raging madman.

If you must continue, then why don't you make your own Steam hate thread?

 

[calyco]

Good and bad.. Steam is convenient and usually works well (stable), plus no hassle updates. I remember the old days when I had to and hated looking for 100-300MB patches for games and find a good dl site, super annoying.

The bad is the offline mode sucks and some older games dont work well regarding aspect ratios and controls (they work fine from CD - GTA 3 and Vice City, Max Payne series). Also recently Ive been getting internet outages here and there, sometimes I still would like to have a physical disc copy.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Good and bad.. Steam is convenient and usually works well (stable), plus no hassle updates. I remember the old days when I had to and hated looking for 100-300MB patches for games and find a good dl site, super annoying.

The bad is the offline mode sucks and some older games dont work well regarding aspect ratios and controls (they work fine from CD - GTA 3 and Vice City, Max Payne series). Also recently Ive been getting internet outages here and there, sometimes I still would like to have a physical disc copy.

What don't you like about offline mode? I think it works great. The only stupid thing is that you have to be online to go into offline mode. That means if you are online and lose your internet you are screwed. But offline mode allows you to play different games on different PCs from the same account, which is great.

 

[EDUSAN]

you need to be online the 1st time you try to go into offline mode... it seems like steam copies some data to your disk to be able to be offline or something.... after that 1st time setup, then you can just go into offline mode anytime

the only bad thing is that you wont be able to play games that use steamcloud for the saves (even for sp games), but "most" sp games that save in the steamcloud have an option to avoid that and save your progress locally

 

[monkeydelmagico]

No, I get it. Some people just hate awesome things. Like ice cream, or bacon.

I'd give up ice cream or maybe even bacon before I gave up steam.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Like is said all the time - the "keeping the disc" is an old mentality. I think many of us here used to (and for consoles I still prefer it) but why is that? Resaleability. There is practically none in the PC world and hasn't been for years, but that only mattered when you were paying $40-50 every game and you have been stuck due to keys for years as well. At $10 or much less who cares? It's not perfect, but the pros far outweigh the cons.

Where I do draw the line for the time being is multiple clients like this. Last thing we need is 20 different devs opening their own sales pitch front end which is why i refuse to support Origin at this time.

 

[Bateluer]

How many times must I spell it out? I don't use those features.

All my game directories consolidated in a special folder? Gee, I could never have managed that. I'm so glad that I have helpful steam to do that for me. Along with installing game updates that I'd prefer to handle myself, a store that I don't want and never use, a social network and mods infrastructure that I don't want and never use.

For what steam does for me, it is without doubt the most bloated piece of software on my PC. Four processes, 50MB of memory, ~500MB directory, regular 100MB client updates, just to allow me to launch a handful of games that would be perfectly capable of launching by themselves if steam didn't have it's hooks in them.

Wow . . . failed in the first sentence. :/ You know there's many games that don't always install themselves to C:\Program Files, right? You want to edit the install path for every single game you install, every single time? Or just known that they're all in the steamapps directory?

Not everyone wants to go to a dozen different manufacturer and/or file hosting sites to grab their patches. Its much easier for both the gamer and the manufacturer to have Steam handle the updates. Easier for the user to know that they're games are always up to date, easier for the devs to know that all their customers are running current versions. Incidentally, last night, I was checking my version for Original Sin. Haven't had the opportunity to play it in a while and I wanted to make sure I was up to date . . . but I have the GoG version, which doesn't handle patches at all. GoG has 3 different patches for it, that each have to be downloaded and ran separately. Pain in the behind when you compare it to if I had it on Steam, it would always be up to date.

The Store is Steam's strongest asset, almost every game you'd ever want right at your finger tips, purchasable from anywhere with an Internet connection. I've purchased games from my phone, had them remotely download to my PC, and ready to play when I get home. Again, you'd better to get used to the Store because its fast becoming one of the few places to get games.

I don't use the social network much either, but for MP games, its pretty damn awesome to be able to easily coordinate a game with your buddies.

You've never modded any game you own, ever? Steam Workshop has some growing pains I think it needs to address, but the concept is great.

So far as its resource use goes, if 50MBs of RAM usage is a problem for you, you need to upgrade from the 512MBs you have now. :/ 50MBs from the 8GB minimum a gaming machine should have today pretty much means nothing. A TB drive is 50 bucks.

Your argument is like suggesting that just because you prefer automatic transmission, then everyone else should also prefer it too. "Automaic transmission is so much better. It's so convenient, you don't have to worry about changing gears, the car does it for you. Why would anyone want to use a manual transmission?" But it's never that simple.

The problem with your analogy is that you're not talking about going to a manual transmission, you're talking about going back to leaded gasoline and hand cranks.


Edit - http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/08/27/steam-client-beta-update-enables-simultaneous-game-installs/

While Oubadah is fumbling for his CDs and DVDs, I'll just click Install.

 

[thedosbox]

Folks, do we really need to dogpile Oubadah any further? He wants things his way, the rest of us don't. Let it die.

 

[Bateluer]

Folks, do we really need to dogpile Oubadah any further? He wants things his way, the rest of us don't. Let it die.

Yes. Its amusing to watch him try keep his head above water and flail about wildly trying in vain to defend his position

 

[calyco]

The only stupid thing is that you have to be online to go into offline mode. That means if you are online and lose your internet you are screwed.

Yep, there you go. That makes absolutely no sense. Ive been getting dropouts these past few months so naturally I would play some games till the ISP fixes problem. But I need to go online before I go offline.. wtf. Second one was that I was in the middle of a game, offline mode and it kicked me out saying some shit about incorrect login.. when I was not even online.

 

[DefDC]

Yep, there you go. That makes absolutely no sense. Ive been getting dropouts these past few months so naturally I would play some games till the ISP fixes problem. But I need to go online before I go offline.. wtf. Second one was that I was in the middle of a game, offline mode and it kicked me out saying some shit about incorrect login.. when I was not even online.

I think that's part of the DRM scheme. That keeps one person in a dorm from easily sharing the game with EVERYONE. It's stupid, but there's probably not a better way.

I get what the anti-Steam crowd is saying. He's not NOT making sense. He values his ability to manage his games his way. It's a good thing that games still come in a physical format, or he's going to be SOL. And I don't think it'll be long before it becomes rare for a game to come on a disk.

I, myself, love Steam, and everything is working for me so far. I detested warehousing disks, keeping track of keys, awful DRM/rootkits, and digging up new NoCD cracks after having to manually patch games. Steam has been a blessing to me.

But, if I had a shaky internet connection, heavily modded games, and was forced to install Steam to install the games I liked to play, I'd hate Steam too.