PC gaming only: 1080p TV vs 1080p monitor

cmdrdredd

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Is there a significant difference in image quality between a high end TV and a PC monitor if both are at 1080p if it is exclusively dedicated to being used for games. In other words no word processing, web browsing or email. Simply for games. Would a PC monitor offer a significantly higher picture quality overall? I understand due to the size and the number of pixels it should be sharper, but is it a big deal when playing games? I don't have anything to compare as I have a 1440p monitor myself.
 

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1080p monitor for close up. 1080p tv for far away. The pixel density is the definitive factor really.
 

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I use a 32" 1080p LED TV that has a IPS panel as a monitor. For me it works fine. I just disabled all the image enhancement bells and whistles on it.

If you already have the TV in question try it and see. Input lag could be unbearable. Mine seems fine to me as Im a casual gamer.
 

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This isn't for my usage, so my personal feelings on input lag won't mean anything. It's a good point though and one which I will be sure to bring up. This is for my sister's husband who wanted to get a PC built up strictly for gaming. Says he used to be into it big with UT and Quake 3, but wants to get back in. I was asked for some advice on what components would be decent now and I kind of got stuck on recommending to use a TV which he has or a monitor. The main concern is image quality but my PC isn't near my TV enough to check it out for myself.

Maybe I'll just bring my PC down to their place and let him decide if the TV is good enough. I don't know if he will be competitive, so input lag might not matter much. I just didn't know what to say when asked about this since I honestly have never used my TV for PC gaming so I don't have an opinion.

Is there a list of TVs that have relatively low input lag? Does everyone playing fighters competitively use a monitor instead of their TV?
 
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Depends entirely on how he plays and how much he's spending. I've seen some TN PC monitors that are atrocious, the quality varies a lot depending on how much one spends. I'd say if he's just gaming, a TV will be just fine although this depends a lot on viewing distance - if he's gaming from a couch I think a 1080p HDTV will be preferable and cheap, input lag should not be an issue. OTOH, if he's sitting up close and using a keyboard/mouse then I would certainly prefer a dedicated monitor - but, many people (including myself, for console gaming) find a bigger screen to be more immersive.

If he's the type of person that likes to sit back and relax on the couch with gaming, HDTV is the way to go for sure. But if he's the nerdy type of PC gamer who scoffs at xbox 360 controller gaming, he may like an up-close PC monitor which can potentially be better.

Does he have the HDTV already? I'd say let him try both usage scenarios out and see what he prefers.
 

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Maybe I'll just bring my PC down to their place and let him decide if the TV is good enough. I don't know if he will be competitive, so input lag might not matter much. I just didn't know what to say when asked about this since I honestly have never used my TV for PC gaming so I don't have an opinion

Seems like a logical experiment to me. Guess you'd both get to see how gaming on a big screen would be. Just look and see if his TV has a gaming mode as it sometimes helps if enabled.
 

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Depends entirely on how he plays and how much he's spending. I've seen some TN PC monitors that are atrocious, the quality varies a lot depending on how much one spends. I'd say if he's just gaming, a TV will be just fine although this depends a lot on viewing distance - if he's gaming from a couch I think a 1080p HDTV will be preferable and cheap, input lag should not be an issue. OTOH, if he's sitting up close and using a keyboard/mouse then I would certainly prefer a dedicated monitor - but, many people (including myself, for console gaming) find a bigger screen to be more immersive.

If he's the type of person that likes to sit back and relax on the couch with gaming, HDTV is the way to go for sure. But if he's the nerdy type of PC gamer who scoffs at xbox 360 controller gaming, he may like an up-close PC monitor which can potentially be better.

Does he have the HDTV already? I'd say let him try both usage scenarios out and see what he prefers.

Yeah they have an LG 60GA6400 120HZ TV. LED, 3D, Google tv. It looks great for an LCD panel when watching movies, but for gaming we have never used it.

Since he used to play UT and Quake 3 I can only assume he would use mouse and KB, but I'll go ahead and hook up my Xbox 360 controller and see how it goes.
 

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32 inch TV at 10 ft away is perfectly fine for me. That's all the input I can give you :p
 

cmdrdredd

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32 inch TV at 10 ft away is perfectly fine for me. That's all the input I can give you :p

Thanks. I understand it's all subjective to the player/viewer. Personally at 10 feet I want something closer to 50". I like to fill more of my vision, but I don't think there's necessarily a one size fits all approach to it.

Hopefully I'll know tomorrow if we should start discussing options for monitors or not for this build.
 

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I once connected a Samsung 32" TV and sat about 2 feet from it. Some games looked better than others (even better than the standard PC monitor). Wasnt too bothered by the pixel density, except when I tried PC related tasks. What bothered me most though was the intense light, like I had a flood-light shining on me. So definitely not for close up viewing, but good enough at least 3' or more away. Of course the larger the screen, the further the distance.
 

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I'd make the decision based on gaming lifestyle instead of technical merits of TV vs monitor. Actually, whether you call a display a TV or monitor can be hard to do, as there are so many other factors that could make one superior to the other.

But it would seem that if the guy never likes the big screen distance thing, then focus on monitors. Personally I have both setups, and I've played Starcraft 2 on both setups, and I definitely think that for fast real time strategy games, I preferred the monitor/desk setup where I was "at attention" and alert/active upright sitting posture in an office chair. But maybe for a different style of game, the lean-back position of a couch or whatever you use for the TV would be better.

For actual display quality, my Samsung 1080p TV seems just as good as my Samsung 1200p monitor, but I sit much closer to the monitor.
 

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Has the distance between you and the screen changed? The benefit of playing on a TV is that because you naturally sit farther away, you notice detail imperfections a lot less. Anti-aliasing also isn't needed as much. Heck, most people don't know that most 360/PS3 games run at or sub-720p resolution, but they most definitely would notice on a computer monitor.
 

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While we are in this thread, does anyone know of any good, relatively decently priced service that can calibrate your HDTV? Bestbuy charges an arm and a leg for calibration and the reviews are their site are mixed.
 

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I once connected a Samsung 32" TV and sat about 2 feet from it. Some games looked better than others (even better than the standard PC monitor). Wasnt too bothered by the pixel density, except when I tried PC related tasks. What bothered me most though was the intense light, like I had a flood-light shining on me. So definitely not for close up viewing, but good enough at least 3' or more away. Of course the larger the screen, the further the distance.

A TV just like a monitor has brightness controls. It's not like a person has to live with the out of box experience.

I do the kick back in my chair with my feet on the corner of my desk 99% of the time. I got lucky and got a decent 32" TV(IPS) the 1st shot which didn't take much tweaking to get it acceptable to me as my monitor. Get nothing but compliments from those who see my setup....Downside is I get back seat web surfers which can be annoying at times!

In the end I'd say most of the time a person is better off with a real monitor. Guess it wouldn't hurt if a person tries their TV out to see if it'll work for them. Going out and buying a TV to use as a monitor can be a hit and miss gamble and may require multiple visits to place(s) of purchase.
 

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If at a computer desk then 1080P computer monitor minimum, preferably 1440P. In this environment where folks use an HDTV I think they are making a mistake.

If in lazyboy or couch, then HDTV with size depending on distance from screen. Preferably plasma over LCD or LED.


For gaming as the central focus of the setup, I much prefer HDTV and couch environment. A big part of this is because it lets you use really good 5.1 or 7.1 sound in a large environment. Sound plays a huge role in upping the ante of a game experience and if done right gives you the larger than life feeling. If HDTV for gaming and using the HDTV speakers or a crap audio setup, i'd say i'd prefer the better PQ of a nice computer monitor.

Audio: I'm talking 2k min for the 5.1 goods. Possibly less if finding a good high end used setup.
 
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This is just my subjective and anecdotal opinion, but distance is the largest factor. I still prefer sitting close to a monitor, as I feel it makes it easier to read text. Otherwise, it appears to me that monitors are more likely to have a better, more accurate picture out of the box compared to many TVs. In truth, you can find great and poor options on either side. I also see more monitors specifically geared towards fast refresh rates, low input lag, etc. It seems as though many monitors are entirely built around gaming, which I haven't seen in a lot of TVs. And if you want to go with 120Hz gaming, which I recommend, I'm under the impression that it's easier to do that with a monitor than a TV.

I could be wrong about a lot of these, but that's my best guess(es) based on my experience.
 

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Depends entirely on how he plays and how much he's spending. I've seen some TN PC monitors that are atrocious, the quality varies a lot depending on how much one spends. I'd say if he's just gaming, a TV will be just fine although this depends a lot on viewing distance - if he's gaming from a couch I think a 1080p HDTV will be preferable and cheap, input lag should not be an issue. OTOH, if he's sitting up close and using a keyboard/mouse then I would certainly prefer a dedicated monitor - but, many people (including myself, for console gaming) find a bigger screen to be more immersive.

If he's the type of person that likes to sit back and relax on the couch with gaming, HDTV is the way to go for sure. But if he's the nerdy type of PC gamer who scoffs at xbox 360 controller gaming, he may like an up-close PC monitor which can potentially be better.

Does he have the HDTV already? I'd say let him try both usage scenarios out and see what he prefers.

This. I game on my laptop which does 1080p. I sit really close, almost on top of my laptop. I tried gaming on larger monitors but I really just like having a smaller monitor 1080p as I sit. Either way though, I use this, and I use my 1080p 70 inch Sharp. It really is dependent on how you game.
I'll knock settings out the way first. Almost ANY decent TV will achieve relatively similar colors/contrast given the right settings. If he doesn't have a TV, he should head over to avsforum.com and have them help him. If he does have a TV, he should STILL head over to there and input their settings into his TV to see a massive quality improvement. I gamed on my Sharp for almost a year before inputting their settings (even though I knew about the settings when I bought the TV) and noticed a massive improvement. Other than that, I rarely if ever have noticed input lag or whatever.
Now it comes to preference. I prefer to sit back and game on my couch for single player. I like the surround sound experience from my couch while lounging back and gaming. For Multiplayer though, I have to be ontop of the screen almost. I'm serious, I hate to lose. I would almost say when I play multiplayer games I don't even play for fun, I play solely to win so for me at that point I like to be close just personal preference. Either way though, having used both, I wouldn't say there is a huge difference. It's personal preference on how you like to game. I don't think I could say one experience is better than the other having both at my disposal and regularly switching between both, sometimes mid game even. Just because you're gaming on a HDTV doesn't exclude using a keyboard/mouse setup either. I've done that as well for playing games like league of legends.

Since you asked though just about picture quality, no there shouldn't be any significant difference. After calibration, which you should do on ANY device you get, you shouldn't notice. I wouldn't buy an HDTV unless I found calibration settings as the tools are expensive. I also wouldn't get a monitor unless it had calibration settings and a number of them, although your nvidia settings should allow for decent calibration anyway (dunno about AMD I don't own such a card). I'd say no matter what you get, you have a way to calibrate everything.

So I wouldn't be too worried, just tell him to purchase it based on what he likes better, HDTV vs Monitor, and once he makes his choice, head over to the correct forum to get the best device whether it's an HDTV or a Monitor.
 

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I pc game on a 1080p 50" plasma and it looks better than my 1440p 27" monitor.
 

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I agree with going by gaming lifestyle. Most people now want to game from their couch. I doubt he'd notice anything about input lag. It's only an issue if he notices.

I personally use a 1080p Plasma and it looks great from about 10' away. I believe Plasma with all the "enhancements" turned off is inherently faster than LCD.

If I were to get a gaming monitor setup I'd settle for no less than 2560x1600. That's a true upgrade. But you'd need the graphics power to power that resolution.
 

cmdrdredd

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Thanks for the responses. This won't be lacking in any power whatsoever. Definitely going to be covered there.

We tried it and for some games it seemed fine. We played Tomb Raider, Bioshock Inf. and sleeping dogs on the TV and they were all great. When we loaded up Battlefield 3 and Crysis 3 not so much. The types of games they are depend much more on twich control. It definitely helps to have a low input lag monitor. At least lower than the TV. Playable though it was, we both said that when you used a mouse the aim was a little sluggish(remember he used to play a ton of UT and Q3 bitd). If an xbox controller was used exclusively there's no problem. So what we decided to do for the time being is set up the PC in the room hooked up to the TV. Later on if he gets competitive he said he will invest in a good monitor and build a desk in the other room. I have recommended 2560x1440 monitors as it's what I use and much prefer them over 1080p. I did mention the need for more powerful graphics which wouldn't be a problem. Going to do multi-GPU if he goes the 1440p monitor route later on.

I will say that I was not displeased with the picture quality at all myself. I didn't know what to expect but after adjusting the brightness down some and getting the contrast right it was pretty good. I could live with it if I had to.
 
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Doesn't seem right that you'd get input lag on BF3/Crysis but not Bioshock. Also what is the mode the TV is in? You need to make sure you're on the low latency mode for your TV. Still though, you need to have the RIGHT HDTV for this. Mine has an input lag of 80 ms. Not really good but I live with it.

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

This has some of them, but like I said, if you choose HDTV you have to head over to avsforum and have them help you. They'll know the HDTVs with low enough input lag that it won't really hurt you as much as mine would. Even with 80 ms though, I destroy people at halo 4. 60 inches seems to be the sweet spot. My model of tv the 60 inch model is 30 ms for gaming.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-60PU54-60-inch-Plasma-1080p/dp/B00BJVYFTQ

This for 800 dollars approximately has 27 ms input lag. One of the lowest on the table for an HDTV. For 60 inches it's good deal between input lag and size. Depends on what you want of course. If you go even smaller it's less input lag but not by much since that Panny did a great job on theirs.
 
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I'll second the advice to go to AVSforum to calibrate your TV.

I don't think it's worth paying someone like Best Buy to calibrate your TV. Instead, go to AVSforums and find out if other people have formed a consensus/agreement on the best settings. Then, just copy their numbers and dial in your TV settings to be the same.

I found that to work great on my TV.
 

cmdrdredd

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To clarify... input lag was on all games but because a few of them rely on your ability to get precise aim quickly rather than splash damage or a 3rd person action game, it was more profound in battlefield and crysis.

Meaning if you went online it would be difficult to compete IMO.
 

tential

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Ok, ya that's why I gave you the list of the monitors with their input lag times. I figure it's still important and that panny I listed is still the best one. I don't think 27 ms is that bad when you're considering it's an HDTV. I bet you could find better if you asked around at avsforum too. If your friend gets serious, 1080p monitors aren't that expensive either so he could always get one of those later with low input lag.

Still though, I ask what settings your HDTV was on because some settings have higher input lag than others. If I enable a couple things on my TV, input lag would triple or quadruple.