PC Gaming Discussion - AMD vs. Nvidia

[piesquared]

Nvidia gpus are great in games because most of the big games are usually under nvidia support. so you will get much better performance in those games in other word "NVIDIA OPTIMIZED" games. so 5 to 10% fps you're getting better than the AMD.

where AMD lacking this, even with AMd support games are still not giving full performance to AMd gpus, AMD optimized games are no matter for AMD gpu, it is providing such a great power of performance in it GPU.

Well thankfully AMD is doing something for the gaming community by not hamstringing competitive cards. Gamers benefit from this approach. As for most big games under NVidia support than Gaming Evolved, are you serious?? There seems to be many games you didn't notice. And you also failed to notice the many Gaming Evolved titles that shine on AMD hardware.

 

[nafees127]

please list me those games that have Gaming Evolved support. i may be missing the AMD advantage in software support.

 

[piesquared]

I won't bother because i'll likely miss a few off the top of my head and I don't feel like searching for it. All the info is on www.amd.com though.

 

[Deders]

There is PhysX and there is PhysX. The PhysX everyone sees as tons of useless garbage flying around their that can only run on Nvidia hardware will not be on Next Gen Consoles. The PhysX used for CPU based collision detection and light CPU based physics will be.

And the fancy smoke effects and amazing scenes (Scarecrow/Ra's al ghul) In the Batman series, but yes I agree for the most part Hardware PhysX can be over implemented.

 

[Red Hawk]

please list me those games that have Gaming Evolved support. i may be missing the AMD advantage in software support.

Well, over the past year there's been:

Tomb Raider
Crysis 3
Bioshock Infinite
Hitman Absolution
Far Cry 3

All high-profile games, all stamped with Gaming Evolved. Though being stamped with Gaming Evolved and running better on AMD hardware are actually different things.

The most high-profile games I can think of in the past year with the TWIMTBP stamp are Metro: Last Light and Borderlands 2, though I may be missing a few because I don't really follow TWIMTBP (and Nvidia doesn't really seem to push it these days as much as AMD pushes GE).

 

[Carfax83]

There is PhysX and there is PhysX. The PhysX everyone sees as tons of useless garbage flying around their that can only run on Nvidia hardware will not be on Next Gen Consoles. The PhysX used for CPU based collision detection and light CPU based physics will be.

Wrong, hardware accelerated physics can run on the CPU, it will just be much slower.

It wouldn't surprise me if NVidia made a super optimized PhysX version for the consoles that could run some of the hardware accelerated effects.

 

[Carfax83]

What sort of nonsense is this? AMD is not averse to "Proprietary standards" simply for the fact that they're proprietary; DirectX is technically proprietary, Microsoft just makes the development tools widely available. When has Nvidia offered PhysX to AMD in the past, exactly?

PhysX is hardly in the same league as DirectX now is it?

As for AMD being averse to proprietary standards:

NVidia offers PhysX support to AMD

NVidia responds to AMD's attack on PhysX

PCGH: AMD claims that PhysX is proprietary. What's your reaction?

Nadeem Mohammed: PhysX is a complete Physics solution which runs on all major platforms like PS3, XBOX360, Wii, PC with Intel or AMD CPU, and on the PC with GeForce cards; it even runs on iPhone. It's available for use by any developer for inclusion in games for any platform - all free of license fees. There's nothing restrictive or proprietary about that. We have been told that some AMD spokespeople talk about PhysX being like 3DFX's GLIDE API - that's even more of inaccuracy analogy, games written for GLIDE simple would not run on any system without a 3DFX card, whereas PhysX runs on more platforms than any other Physics Solution out there, and comes with tools and plug-ins, like APEX which help developers create content which can actually scale between different solutions. So please try out some of the latest PC titles - and give feedback to the developers on what things gamers really want in games - let's keep on pushing the industry to make killer games together!
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For AMD, it's all about pride. They don't want to run their competitor's software even though it's miles better than their own.

 

[Carfax83]

The most high-profile games I can think of in the past year with the TWIMTBP stamp are Metro: Last Light and Borderlands 2, though I may be missing a few because I don't really follow TWIMTBP (and Nvidia doesn't really seem to push it these days as much as AMD pushes GE).

Assassin's Creed 3 as well.. They're pushing TWIMTBP a lot harder this year, as Batman Arkham Origins, Splinter Cell Blacklist, Assassin's Creed 4 and Watch Dogs are all TWIMTBP titles.

Next year, the Witcher 3 will be TWIMTBP..

 

[escrow4]

After RMA'ing my Titan, I'm picking up a 7870 tomorrow. I may also sell off this 3930K and go all AMD with an FX 6300. Been a while since I've used AMD exclusively. I've given up on the endless AMD vs Nvidia vs Intel vs the magic pixies. Either one will display the prettiness of any game, and either one will do the job in the end. Stop focussing on benchmarks and focus on gaming.

 

[Red Hawk]

PhysX is hardly in the same league as DirectX now is it?

As for AMD being averse to proprietary standards:

NVidia offers PhysX support to AMD

NVidia responds to AMD's attack on PhysX



For AMD, it's all about pride. They don't want to run their competitor's software even though it's miles better than their own.

Hmm...that's pretty good evidence. I'm not so sure about better, though, PhysX just seems to do stuff that AMD doesn't even bother trying.

After RMA'ing my Titan, I'm picking up a 7870 tomorrow. I may also sell off this 3930K and go all AMD with an FX 6300. Been a while since I've used AMD exclusively. I've given up on the endless AMD vs Nvidia vs Intel vs the magic pixies. Either one will display the prettiness of any game, and either one will do the job in the end. Stop focussing on benchmarks and focus on gaming.

Going from a Titan to a 7870? 3930k to FX 6300? I'm sorry, but did you fall and hit your head or something? Why on earth would you do that if you already have the hardware?

 

[omeds]

I'll probably stick with Nvidia because AMD hasn't been able to deliver what I want out of a gaming PC for a few gens now.

 

[zlatan]

And only the Xbox One uses the same API as PC. So any PS4 optimizations wouldnt transfer to the PC port.

Xbox One has an option to use a modified DX, but most developers won't use it. But you are right, the low-level optimizations on PS4 and XO wouldn't transfer to the PC.
What I see that most developer simply cut out the compute oriented effects from the PC port. AC4 and Watch_Dogs for example.

 

[jacktesterson]

AMD Cards

Always have provided me the best value with Overclocking and free games. The new consoles using AMD GPU's / CPU's is just further icing I'll probably stick to AMD GPU's.

 

[Red Hawk]

Xbox One has an option to use a modified DX, but most developers won't use it. But you are right, the low-level optimizations on PS4 and XO wouldn't transfer to the PC.
What I see that most developer simply cut out the compute oriented effects from the PC port. AC4 and Watch_Dogs for example.

How do you know developers won't use it?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Xbox One has an option to use a modified DX, but most developers won't use it. But you are right, the low-level optimizations on PS4 and XO wouldn't transfer to the PC.
What I see that most developer simply cut out the compute oriented effects from the PC port. AC4 and Watch_Dogs for example.

Actually... The PS4 uses a proprietary API Sony calles the "wrapper API" which is based on a DX11.1+ feature set and is designed with the PS4 in mind. The Xbox One uses DX11.1+ natively and has DirectX specifically optimized for the console. The API is exactly the same as you get on Windows 7/8 and will actually run most of the same code as on your PC except the API is going to be more heavily optimized for the hardware without the necessity of drivers like windows.

The real difference is the last point I made, drivers. In Windows you have DirectX built in, but without drivers for your video card it does nothing. Microsoft doesn't make DX run on any hardware specificially on Windows and it's up to Nvidia and AMD to get it working on their GPUs. So far this gen I have not been too impressed with AMD's driver team. It took them too long IMO to do frame pacing and get performance up to par in certain titles after Nvidia released the 680. Things are more even now, but when I buy new hardware I do not want to wait 6 months for the proper drivers, and almost another year for drivers to do multi GPU configurations properly. This is why I usually like to wait until I can see both Nvidia and AMD's cards and compare them side by side and decide based on the performance I will be able to expect.

 

[seitur]

Staying on PC.

My next GPU will be chosen based on price / performance ratio (main factor) and heat&noise (secondary factors).

NV or AMD will not matter. AMD might want to step up their game with Linux drivers though and do it FAST, because it start to matter more and more for me ;p


PS. I hope new AMD based consoles will mean that NVidia only (practically) PhysX will slump into oblivion. Open standard and tech is needed to replace it.

 

[DaveSimmons]

The PC will remain my primary gaming platform, but I have a PS3 and 360 now for their exclusives. If there are enough good exclusives for PS4 and X1 I'll buy them too.

Most games are built on engines that are cross-platform and cross-GPU-family. I don't expect AMD APU use in PS4 / X1 to have much of an effect on that since the games will be written to the engine not the APU.

 

[BrightCandle]

If this generation has taught me anything its that driver quality is essential. I remember over two years ago many were arguing that AMD had resolved their problems and now had a good driver package. 19 bugs raised later, many of them game breaking and I couldn't disagree with that initial premise more. Most of my raised bugs still haven't been addressed, 1.5 years later. I really wish their driver team could get it together and produce a better product, because AMD is definitely giving us better hardware/$ at most price points. Their hardware is top notch at the price point they are at, but it seems to be crippled by bad software over and over. It has improved, I remember days when AMD drivers couldn't be installed at all, but its still not at an acceptable level.

For the next generation I'll look at the trade offs of performance and price and thermals and power consumption and I'll make a call based on the performance differences I see. But if AMD really does beat NVidia by say 20% cost at the same performance I'll wait a few months and watch carefully for initial problems with the drivers. I'll pay very careful attention to all the reported bugs and issues and hunt around all the reviews. AMD has fooled me twice into buying products that reviewed well but in practice often were unplayable, it wont happen a third time.

I wont bother with the new consoles I suspect, I have a PC that is more powerful than they are and I think it likely most of the exclusives will also appear on PC post release, to ignore the largest platform would be kind of daft. But there is only one game (the division) that I would like to play but its far from worth buying a console for.

 

[Phil1977]

I buy Intel and Nvidia. The price differences between Intel, AMD and Nvidia products are so marginal that for a tiny bit more you can get the product from the market leader and why wouldn't you?

I do it because of peace of mind. Less issues, less dramas, better drivers, everything just works.

Now there were times when you could save quite a bit of money, especially when overclocking budget CPUs or unlocking GPUs was worth it, but these days not so much.

I have a non-TI GTX660 and it is a great card. The main issues I had with AMD in the past is mostly related to the driver. It took them forever to get resolution scaling working. New games often had issues and took months to resolve.

There are simply more issues more of the time with AMD and I rather spend my money with the market leaders and have a less stressful time. Life is stressful enough. With AMD you're the beta tester when you buy a new product. So many stories from the past: CPUs that needed BIOS updates, CPUs that burnt off when the cooler was removed, GPUs that had the VRMs burn off with furmark.

Not to say that Nvidia is without flaws, they had some dodgy products like LE, SE or Green products or MX440 making you believe you're getting the real thing.

 

[hyrule4927]

I buy Intel and Nvidia. The price differences between Intel, AMD and Nvidia products are so marginal that for a tiny bit more you can get the product from the market leader and why wouldn't you?

I do it because of peace of mind. Less issues, less dramas, better drivers, everything just works.

Now there were times when you could save quite a bit of money, especially when overclocking budget CPUs or unlocking GPUs was worth it, but these days not so much.

I have a non-TI GTX660 and it is a great card. The main issues I had with AMD in the past is mostly related to the driver. It took them forever to get resolution scaling working. New games often had issues and took months to resolve.

There are simply more issues more of the time with AMD and I rather spend my money with the market leaders and have a less stressful time. Life is stressful enough. With AMD you're the beta tester when you buy a new product. So many stories from the past: CPUs that needed BIOS updates, CPUs that burnt off when the cooler was removed, GPUs that had the VRMs burn off with furmark.

Not to say that Nvidia is without flaws, they had some dodgy products like LE, SE or Green products or MX440 making you believe you're getting the real thing.

Why on earth would you remove a CPU cooler while your PC is running?

And Furmark has most likely killed its fair share of both AMD and Nvidia GPUs.

 

[SiliconWars]

I buy Intel and Nvidia. The price differences between Intel, AMD and Nvidia products are so marginal that for a tiny bit more you can get the product from the market leader and why wouldn't you?

I do it because of peace of mind. Less issues, less dramas, better drivers, everything just works.

Now there were times when you could save quite a bit of money, especially when overclocking budget CPUs or unlocking GPUs was worth it, but these days not so much.

I have a non-TI GTX660 and it is a great card. The main issues I had with AMD in the past is mostly related to the driver. It took them forever to get resolution scaling working. New games often had issues and took months to resolve.

There are simply more issues more of the time with AMD and I rather spend my money with the market leaders and have a less stressful time. Life is stressful enough. With AMD you're the beta tester when you buy a new product. So many stories from the past: CPUs that needed BIOS updates, CPUs that burnt off when the cooler was removed, GPUs that had the VRMs burn off with furmark.

Not to say that Nvidia is without flaws, they had some dodgy products like LE, SE or Green products or MX440 making you believe you're getting the real thing.

Yeah, Nvidia has had how many card-killing drivers now?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/warning-nvidia-196-75-drivers-can-kill-your-graphics-card/7551

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18518818

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=341316

http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007

 

[el etro]

After RMA'ing my Titan, I'm picking up a 7870 tomorrow. I may also sell off this 3930K and go all AMD with an FX 6300. Been a while since I've used AMD exclusively. I've given up on the endless AMD vs Nvidia vs Intel vs the magic pixies. Either one will display the prettiness of any game, and either one will do the job in the end. Stop focussing on benchmarks and focus on gaming.

Putting capitalism and fanboyism down. Won two times here.

 

[Phil1977]

Why on earth would you remove a CPU cooler while your PC is running?

You wouldn't on purpose, but if the cooler came off the CPU would go up in smoke

Yeah, Nvidia has had how many card-killing drivers now?

Vista...

 

[NIGELG]

If this generation has taught me anything its that driver quality is essential. I remember over two years ago many were arguing that AMD had resolved their problems and now had a good driver package. 19 bugs raised later, many of them game breaking and I couldn't disagree with that initial premise more. Most of my raised bugs still haven't been addressed, 1.5 years later. I really wish their driver team could get it together and produce a better product, because AMD is definitely giving us better hardware/$ at most price points. Their hardware is top notch at the price point they are at, but it seems to be crippled by bad software over and over. It has improved, I remember days when AMD drivers couldn't be installed at all, but its still not at an acceptable level.

For the next generation I'll look at the trade offs of performance and price and thermals and power consumption and I'll make a call based on the performance differences I see. But if AMD really does beat NVidia by say 20% cost at the same performance I'll wait a few months and watch carefully for initial problems with the drivers. I'll pay very careful attention to all the reported bugs and issues and hunt around all the reviews. AMD has fooled me twice into buying products that reviewed well but in practice often were unplayable, it wont happen a third time.

I wont bother with the new consoles I suspect, I have a PC that is more powerful than they are and I think it likely most of the exclusives will also appear on PC post release, to ignore the largest platform would be kind of daft. But there is only one game (the division) that I would like to play but its far from worth buying a console for.

I have yet to hear someone whine about AMD's drivers like you.Enjoy your Nvidia cards and relax.

 

[SiliconWars]

You wouldn't on purpose, but if the cooler came off the CPU would go up in smoke

Do you realise that was 12 years ago?

Vista...

Try actually clicking the links?