PC Crashing OMGY HELP!

[ENjOY]

So my recently built pc, crashes when I try to transfer data from anywhere to the hard drive. The pc begins to transfer but then clicks off and reboots. I know the motherboard, the processor, the ram, the video card and the cd/rw are all good (tested in another pc) which leaves the hard drive or software. I tried transferring data to the hard drive in safe mode, it works FINE. I tried transferring data to the hard drive in safe mode with networking, it crashes...? I tried disabling all intergrated periphreals and that doesn't help. I tried flashing the bios and updating drivers. So I have no idea what to do. Could this be the hard drive? I ran Western Digital's diagnostics for the hard drive and it said it was fine. Any help?

Running Win XP Pro on:

Inwin Case/PSU
MSI KT4VL - Intergrated Audio and LAN
XP 1600 +
256 MB Crucial DDR
60 GIG Western Digital Hard Drive
LiteON 40 12 48 CD/RW
Old Video Card

 

[foofoo]

this sounds like it may be a power problem, what size power supply do you have? and who makes it?
do you get any error messages in the event viewer?

 

[MrCraphead]

Have you installed the VIA 4in1 drivers?

 

[squirrel dog]

Sounds like either the mo/bo's drivers are not installed properly,or a flakey power supply,or the drive itself.I would start with a re-install of the latest mo/bo,s drivers.

 

[thorin]

Remove or disable the NIC and try again.

Thorin

 

[ENjOY]

Its the power supply that came with the inwin case, 300 watt generic. I've installed all the drivers and tried dissabling the nic but that didn't help.

//edit: Other problems I have are: the power to the mouse will just shut off once in a while, the computer says its working properly but It has no response either in USB or PS2 (Microsoft Optical). When this happens, I've also noticed the computer will freeze up on shutdown/restart. Maybe bad power supply?

 

[Cybordolphin]

"old video card".

Do yourself a favor and try a newer card. An ATI of just about anything will do...

While you are in there.... remove and replace the RAM back in the slot.... making sure it is well seated.

Then let us know how your problems all suddenly went away

 

[ENjOY]

I've tried reseating the ram and video card as well as trying other ram, nothing worked.
//edit: I'm working on the video card, I'm poor.

 

[foofoo]

do you see any errors in your event viewer logs?

 

[ENjOY]

Yes, Error code 000000d1. parameter1 110a3fd0, parameter2 00000002, parameter3 00000000, parameter4 4f9d37e6fl.
Type: Error
Source: System Error
Category: (102)
EventID: 1003

 

[Cybordolphin]

I think you missunderstood.

I did not say to "reseat" the video card.

I said replace it. Period.

You don't have a choice. It is extremely likely that it is your problem. If you can't afford one.. go borrow one. Get a video card that is solid (ATI), and that is not too old. Let us know if you still have trouble.

 

[ENjOY]

Would a video card really cause this kind of problem???

 

[Viper96720]

Get a new power supply and a reformat wouldn't hurt either.

 

[Cybordolphin]

Enjoy.

Y E S. Savage 4 cards were most notorious. But many older video cards will cause your exact problem.

If you can't afford a new card... still do yourself a favor and buy one.... you can always return it. But at least you will find out what the real problem is.

Everyone always jumps to a ps being the culprit. It rarely is.

 

[ENjOY]

I tried a different video card, same problem.

//edit: I was told it could be the motherboard since the computer just clicks off and reboots, is this true?

//edit: I got an error message DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

 

[Cybordolphin]

You lie like a dog...

(just kidding). It is your video card though.

 

[thorin]

WTF does OMGY mean?

Oh My GawdY?

Oh and have you run a test (MemTest86) on your RAM?

Thorin

 

[ENjOY]

Lie like a dog? Right. It's not the video card, get over it, I've tried different video cards. I've already tested the ram, It's not the ram. I've tried different hard drives, its not the hard drive. I'm left to think its either a problem in win xp or the motherboard. Does anyone no what DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL means? Thanks for all your help.

//edit: oh my god why

 

[Acanthus]

I would say its either a PSU or grounding problem, do you have a mobo monitor utility that can check voltages installed, if you do, check your 5v line, your CPU and Drives feed off of the 5v and 12v lines on the PSU, the 3.3v line is for the video card and memory, if any of these go out of whack, they can cause the anomilies you described. As for grounding, make sure nothing metal is touching the back of the motherboard, sometimes those stupid fasteners on the back dont line up properly and you cant tell at a 1st glance, that can cause tons of problems.

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: ENjOY
Lie like a dog? Right. It's not the video card, get over it, I've tried different video cards. I've already tested the ram, It's not the ram. I've tried different hard drives, its not the hard drive. I'm left to think its either a problem in win xp or the motherboard. Does anyone no what DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL means? Thanks for all your help.

That's one of those really great and informative catch all messages basically MSs error handling goes something like

Exception
<handle all known and pre-thought out errors>
when others
<display DRIVER_IRQ_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL msg>

Thorin

 

[wfbberzerker]

DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

thats the win2k/winxp version of the old BSOD screen (its even still blue!)

 

[Markfw]

What is your ram CAS setting at ? It should be 2.5, as there are very few CAS 2 sticks out there. That is a possibility. Check it and reply back please.

 

[Cybordolphin]

Nope... I'm still right.

Tell us what video cards you tried. Try a newer video card. I mean as in one that was made within the last year. If I am right.. I get to keep your system. Oh.... AND you have to publicly appologize.

Once you have done the video card replacement. Then you need to go into bios and reset the bios to "default". Do not try to overclock your CPU. Go back into Bios when you get a reboot, and set the bios for the correct/default CPU settings. Make sure you have disabled video shadow settings.

 

[ENjOY]

No, you're not right... sorry.
I've tried 3 video cards. An old S3 from 95', a Trident Blade Pro 8mb, and a Geforce MX 32 mb. I had the same probably with each.
The cas latency for the ram is 2.5, and all the voltages are correct.
I've even retested the cpu, ram, hd, cd-rw, psu, and video card in a very similar system and all work fine...
This leaves me to think motherboard or software? Software because the computer transfers files just fine and dandy in safe mode.

 

[Cybordolphin]

The old S3 (assumed that's what you were using/or similar)..... will cause the problems you described. In fact to a "t". As will the older 8mb video card. A bad video card or one with the wrong/not capatible driver, will cause the EXACT problems you describe, on newer motherboards.

Now the fact that you have installed and are currently running the Geforce 32mb video card.... is a start. You ARE still running that card right?

The driver for the video card needs to be checked. Go to the manuf. website and be sure that they have a capatible video card driver for your video card, and WINXP. Don't assume anything. Also do some quick reading to find out if this card has had any problems running in WinXP. If you are alert..... you will sometimes see an error from WINXP stating the video error message when your system locks, and returns to a working state (usually right after you close the program that locked).

I understand that you feel it is the motherboard. But it is VERY likely that it is not. More than likely is the bios settings before that.

WinXP.... generally will show errors during install if there is going to be a problem. If you are heart set on believing it is Windows... I suggest installing Norton Utilities 2002. Don't listen to the critics on this one. The program runs flawlessly in XP. Further it will discover the window software errors/problems that may need to be fixed (if any).

If you are still heart set on WINXP being the culprit.... by all means do a clean install and start over (still doubt highly that is the culprit).

Your problem sounds like a hardware conflict. From the information you provided..... the only weak link is/was your video card. It could still be the weak link if you do not have the proper driver. Once again, the symptoms you describe are/can be a direct result of a video card problem (did not used to cause these problems on older motherboards.... thus your disbelief). The other hardware conflicts would be as a result of wrong BIOS settings. If you want help with regard to the BIOS, you will have to reset to default and then let us know what you change.

You still have not answered if you are overclocking (what FSB setting are you running).

I would have mentioned the problem being the RAM... (system tends to lock when multitasking, or running a memory intensive program), but you insist that you have that seated properly, and are using GOOD tested ram. Once again if you are sure..... we can rule this out (as I have). The CPU has been properly seated as well? I am sure you have checked that already.