Ns1
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The whole backstory on the US involvement in French colonialism is new to me.
AznAnarchy99
Lifer
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Speaking of tapes, I'm wondering how much of the White House is actually recorded and how they got their hands on it for the documentary.
AznAnarchy99
Lifer
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Not working anymore. Try clicking on a later episode and says you have to be a passport member.
Thebobo
Lifer
- Jun 19, 2006
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Thebobo
Lifer
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Well that's bullshit I just watch the final episode on sunday on line. You have any form of on demand?
It is on TV this week I think.
AznAnarchy99
Lifer
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Yeah they must have cut it off today or yesterday. I was half way through finishing episode 10 and was gonna watch it today.
I think I found it on YouTube.
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AznAnarchy99
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I saw the same criticism that the documentary gave short shrift to Ellsberg - who wasn't even interviewed for the documentary - and the Pentagon Papers.
That is sad to see and a forum of bias that reduces the quality.
That's not exactly the real reason, but it was the reason given.
But protecting the South Vietnamese from the communists was a big part of the reason given as well as phony as it was. We were a lot more dangerous than any communists to other nations.
Of course most people who served were 'noble' about it (on both sides). Don't use a straw man to dismiss the horrors we DID do.
MagnusTheBrewer
IN MEMORIAM
- Jun 19, 2004
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Yup, you're right about that. But most Nazis didn't take part in the holocaust... they were just soldiers.
PBS has been making a wealth of great content available online for years. I cringe when I hear (often "fiscal conservatives") complain about funding public broadcasting. PBS is a national treasure, whose value, much like NASA is probably a thousand times over what its budget is. It is sad how much PBS is used as the butt of jokes in modern pop culture too, that's when its cited at all.
Netfix has a bunch of PBS content as well, which hopefully helps more people watch it. I'd love for Netflix to get into a co-development deal with PBS. Make it a force to be reckoned with as far as educating America (Frontline, Nova, documentaries like those of Ken Burns).
Well to be fair, Vietnam was a proxy war, and we were fighting more than just in Vietnam. Neither China nor Russia would likely provide direct aid like they did in Vietnam and Korea. And South Korea has a military that could stand up to North Korea pretty well (nukes would change that potentially, but then that would change the entire dynamic of the situation). There's also the possibility that North Korea's army might choose to defect in large quantities and/or carry out a coup instead of really go to war. They certainly know what any serious conflict would lead to, and I have to imagine that their loyalty might falter knowing that if they were to do something to change the situation on their end, they could do a lot to change the outcome.
Nixon epitomizes the "modern" consummate politician (seriously we need to start making politician be the worst insult you can call someone, like how people joke about lawyers being scum of the Earth but even worse, it needs to be a dirtier word than all slurs, and if they take offense then tell real politicians that they have the much more apt "public representative/servant" to remind them of their fucking place). He set the blueprint, that thankfully most have only been able to do pale imitation of, unfortunately we seem to have a whole political party intent on making him look tame.
It actually makes me almost think less of Futurama and how they made him into a silly almost folksy character, head-in-a-jar Nixon was actually entertaining and kinda likeable. Real Nixon was a fucking psychopath. But he at least knew how to put on a facsimile of Presidency at various times in public. I say almost think less, because Futurama's depiction likely would send real Nixon into a fit of rage, that he's basically a bumbling dick-head (badump-tsh) cartoon character, played for laughs in an American society that both views him as a joke and a monster (such that we at the time couldn't fathom that we'd ever have such a similarly unhinged President).
Another thing that gets me is that Eisenhower was actually good friends with him. I really have to wonder what he would have thought of Nixon in later years and as President.
That's exactly wrong about what we need to do.
We need to say that politicians need to be of a very high standard, a noble calling, uncorruptable, serving the public interest, and deserve our appreciation - and then point out that very few come close to that standard today and demand radical change, both in the personnel and the systemic problems - caused by the radical right Supreme Court - that have got us to this situation.
Simply saying politicians are scum will do nothing do fix the problem or make the position attractive to good people. It will help normalize the problem and leave it as-is.
We need to say that politicians need to be of a very high standard, a noble calling, uncorruptable, serving the public interest, and deserve our appreciation - and then point out that very few come close to that standard today and demand radical change, both in the personnel and the systemic problems - caused by the radical right Supreme Court - that have got us to this situation.
Simply saying politicians are scum will do nothing do fix the problem or make the position attractive to good people. It will help normalize the problem and leave it as-is.
"Pretty much any time I interview a Democratic political activist or officeholder over the age of 60 and ask them why they got into politics, they mention Kennedy and his call to service. The Peace Corps, the space program, his speeches, and more are frequently mentioned as inspiring a generation of young people to get involved in politics and see government as a noble calling.
This sort of inspirational quality is rare among presidents—or anyone, really—and is difficult to quantify. But it shouldn't be dismissed. Kennedy's rhetoric and approach inspired people and continues to do so today. We could dismiss all this as just an exercise in branding, but it's very good branding. And if it's used to encourage people to try to improve the world in some way, that's hardly wasted effort."
https://psmag.com/news/revisiting-john-f-kennedys-legacy-100-years-after-his-birth
This sort of inspirational quality is rare among presidents—or anyone, really—and is difficult to quantify. But it shouldn't be dismissed. Kennedy's rhetoric and approach inspired people and continues to do so today. We could dismiss all this as just an exercise in branding, but it's very good branding. And if it's used to encourage people to try to improve the world in some way, that's hardly wasted effort."
https://psmag.com/news/revisiting-john-f-kennedys-legacy-100-years-after-his-birth
Thebobo
Lifer
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I value the Peace corps more than our armed forces in many cases. I greatly respect the peace Corps volunteers and veterans, their service is should be honored as we do our veterans imo. Also for individuals joining, traveling and living amongst different cultures in different parts of the world will help make you a more rounded individual.
Too bad we didn't have the good sense to elect the first Peace Corps leader Vice-President when we had the chance, in 1972 - we wouldn't have had Watergate and would have had a lot more good policies. Instead we got more pushing the country to unlimited money allowed in politics.
BarkingGhostar
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I've been learning a lot more about the war - confirming it was a wrong war that killed millions for no good reason but a misguided pursuit of power.
I'm reading Daniel Ellseberg's "Secrets", and recommend it highly - an amazing inside view of the war's start.
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