PBS Frontline: The Choice 2004

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conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I give no man props that would smile in my face and then turn around and viciously stab me in the back, military service or not.

Kerry was a backstabber, plain and simple. He distorted and lied to make his case while plunging that blade in repeatedly, all to further his own personal agenda and career. He has and will never get respect from me. I know plenty of soldiers that served from WW2 through the Korean war, Vietnam, and the PGW. They didn't turn on the fellow man, their "friends." They have all the respect I can give them. Kerry is not in that group and never will be.
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How? Kerry helped the anti-war movement in order to SAVE more American soldiers from being killed for a mistake.

Vietnam was purely a war over political ideology, not for pragmatic or necessary reasons. It was a mistake. The same as this Iraq war.
 
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Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: polm
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I watched the first hour or so and turned it off after that. Their handling of Kerry with kid gloves, soft-selling his tour of duty in Vietnam was off-putting. He won a silver star (based on the dubious report of beaching his craft and chasing down a VC) and then, next thing you know he was back in the States, "returning to civilian life." WTF? No scrutiny of his purple hearts or mentioning his quick three and out?

It sure didn't miss throwing little jabs at Bush every chance it got either. Then again, PBS does tend to lean to the left.
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I swear to G-D, all of you putting Kerry down for his service in Vietnam need to take a SERIOUS step back and re-consider your own level of patriotism.

The man was there...in "the shiz", he was closer to certain death than ANY of the soldiers who stayed at home.

It doesn't take long for a place like that to effect a man. And it doesn't take long for a man to have an effect on that place.

Had you been there, you might understand. But until you step into his shoes, and onto that boat headed for the unknown with only yourself and a rifle.....

Shiz man, give the guy the credit he and ALL of the soldiers deserve.

You talk big game about supporting our troops..bla bla bla. It's all rhetoric, you have no concept of patriotism.
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I give no man props that would smile in my face and then turn around and viciously stab me in the back, military service or not.

Kerry was a backstabber, plain and simple. He distorted and lied to make his case while plunging that blade in repeatedly, all to further his own personal agenda and career. He has and will never get respect from me. I know plenty of soldiers that served from WW2 through the Korean war, Vietnam, and the PGW. They didn't turn on the fellow man, their "friends." They have all the respect I can give them. Kerry is not in that group and never will be.
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To quote Professor Dumbledore:

"It takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your enemies, but it takes a great deal more to stand up to your friends."

Sorry, kids watching the movie, but it rings true here. The truth was the truth, his intentions were honorable and the results were honorable. I feel sorry for the soldiers that are in denial of some of the things that happened there.
 
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TastesLikeChicken

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
To quote Professor Dumbledore:

"It takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your enemies, but it takes a great deal more to stand up to your friends."

Sorry, kids watching the movie, but it rings true here. The truth was the truth, his intentions were honorable and the results were honorable. I feel sorry for the soldiers that are in denial of some of the things that happened there.
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Manufacturing BS to malign your friends is not honorable. There was no honor in what Kerry did. He could have protested the war without resorting to the rhetoric and outright lies and done so honorably. He did not.

 
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Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
To quote Professor Dumbledore:

"It takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your enemies, but it takes a great deal more to stand up to your friends."

Sorry, kids watching the movie, but it rings true here. The truth was the truth, his intentions were honorable and the results were honorable. I feel sorry for the soldiers that are in denial of some of the things that happened there.
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Manufacturing BS to malign your friends is not honorable. There was no honor in what Kerry did. He could have protested the war without resorting to the rhetoric and outright lies and done so honorably. He did not.
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What lies? He was summarizing the stories he was told by other veterans. Prove they were lies.
 
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0marTheZealot

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wasn't nixon the president who said that he wouldn't be the first president to lose a war? If that doesn't sum up MISTAKE I don't know what does
 
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BullsOnParade

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Thank you for the torrent!!! BTW i am so for Kerry after watching the program. Before I was simply against
Bush, but I find Kerry's outspoken charge against Vietnam and stauch activisim totally commendable and noble. I'm very much enamoured now by his person and character.

What's reprehensible is that Bush is using the same tatic of undermining Kerry's service record as he did against
of all freaking people John McCain !! The Rove machine must be stopped.

I also liked how the the Texas Republican cabal was salivating at Bush's ability to be lead by the collar. They
certainly didn't mask their glee in his malleablitly in their comments in the program.

Ugh, thank god for PBS, wish more people would catch the show, will do my best to share it with friends.

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Tom

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
To quote Professor Dumbledore:

"It takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your enemies, but it takes a great deal more to stand up to your friends."

Sorry, kids watching the movie, but it rings true here. The truth was the truth, his intentions were honorable and the results were honorable. I feel sorry for the soldiers that are in denial of some of the things that happened there.
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Manufacturing BS to malign your friends is not honorable. There was no honor in what Kerry did. He could have protested the war without resorting to the rhetoric and outright lies and done so honorably. He did not.
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have you actually read Kerry's testimony before Congress ? When I read it, my overall impression was his overriding point was that the administration(Johnson, then Nixon) was misusing the patriotism and loyalty of his brother's in arms, not that the soldiers weren't honorable.



here is an example from that testimony of what Kerry really felt about is brother veterans of Vietnam...



"Administration's Attempt to Disown Veterans

Finally, this administration has done us the ultimate dishonor. They have attempted to disown us and the sacrifice we made for this country. In their blindness and fear they have tried to deny that we are veterans or that we served in Nam. We do not need their testimony. Our own scars and stumps of limbs are witnesses enough for others and for ourselves.

We wish that a merciful God could wipe away our own memories of that service as easily as this administration has wiped their memories of us. But all that they have done and all that they can do by this denial is to make more clear than ever our own determination to undertake one last mission, to search out and destroy the last vestige of this barbarous war, to pacify our own hearts, to conquer the hate and the fear that have driven this country these last 10 years and more and so when, in 30 years from now, our brothers go down the street without a leg, without an arm or a face, and small boys ask why, we will be able to say "Vietnam" and not mean a desert, not a filthy obscene memory but mean instead the place where America finally turned and where soldiers like us helped it in the turning. "



http://www.c-span.org/vote2004/jkerrytestimony.asp
 
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Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: arsbanned
have you actually read Kerry's testimony before Congress ?
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Hell no they haven't read it. Ignorance is bliss.
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And how long did it take you to read it? :roll:
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Well I bet it took you about 5 seconds....

We........ burned villages.............................................. killed babies...................................duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
 
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