PBS Frontline: The Choice 2004

[conjur]

Biographies of Kerry and Bush.

2 hour special.

 

[yankeesfan]

I hope someone in the world is capping it and making a torrent. I have to write a paper.

 

[polm]

I just watched it. Missed about the first 30 min, but I liked what I saw.

 

[Sonic587]

Originally posted by: yankeesfan
I hope someone in the world is capping it and making a torrent. I have to write a paper.

Don't fret. You can watch it online come the 15th.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/...line/shows/choice2004/

 

[yankeesfan]

Originally posted by: Sonic587

Originally posted by: yankeesfan
I hope someone in the world is capping it and making a torrent. I have to write a paper.

Don't fret. You can watch it online come the 15th.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/...line/shows/choice2004/

thanks

 

[ericlp]

Yeah, all of front line stuff is online. Pretty nice of them to offer the service.

Nice to watch unbiased news ever now and then. While your watching that don't forget to watch the Jesus Factor. I thought it was pretty good.


Anyone catch the rant of Bill Moyer on NPR? Thought he did a pretty good job.

 

[chrisms]

Kerry was a pretty amazing guy in his younger days

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: chrisms
Kerry was a pretty amazing guy in his younger days

yeah, I would agree.

An amazingly bad guy.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: chrisms
Kerry was a pretty amazing guy in his younger days

yeah, I would agree.

An amazingly bad guy.

Hmm...served in combat, testified before Congress in bid to end war sooner to save Americans' lives, ran for Senate, went to law school, became a prosecutor, became a Lt. Gov., became a Senator, became a President.

Bad?

Did you not watch it? Bush is a phony. He was a drunkard and most likely was doing cocaine (he's danced around that topic), floundered in school, string of failed businesses, only made it to political office thru the maneuverings of Rove's predecessor, Atwater.

Now, who's the "bad guy"?

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: chrisms
Kerry was a pretty amazing guy in his younger days

yeah, I would agree.

An amazingly bad guy.

Well I'm assuming you feel it was wrong for him to 'go against his comrades.' Regardless, as young as he was he was getting lots of press, making speeches in front of the senate, and being discussed about by President Nixon. He also handled himself well in that debate with his veteran opponent.

 

[0roo0roo]

reruns 3am on friday atleast in the bay area.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: chrisms
Kerry was a pretty amazing guy in his younger days

yeah, I would agree.

An amazingly bad guy.

You're crazy if you came away from the Frontline special with that impression. Certifiable. Now, Bush on the other hand. *shiver*

Well I'm assuming you feel it was wrong for him to 'go against his comrades.'

It wasn't just Kerry speaking the truth when they returned from that hell hole.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: chrisms
Kerry was a pretty amazing guy in his younger days

yeah, I would agree.

An amazingly bad guy.

good greif ntdz, you truly define the word "stubborn"

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I watched the first hour or so and turned it off after that. Their handling of Kerry with kid gloves, soft-selling his tour of duty in Vietnam was off-putting. He won a silver star (based on the dubious report of beaching his craft and chasing down a VC) and then, next thing you know he was back in the States, "returning to civilian life." WTF? No scrutiny of his purple hearts or mentioning his quick three and out?

It sure didn't miss throwing little jabs at Bush every chance it got either. Then again, PBS does tend to lean to the left.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I watched the first hour or so and turned it off after that. Their handling of Kerry with kid gloves, soft-selling his tour of duty in Vietnam was off-putting. He won a silver star (based on the dubious report of beaching his craft and chasing down a VC) and then, next thing you know he was back in the States, "returning to civilian life." WTF? No scrutiny of his purple hearts or mentioning his quick three and out?

It sure didn't miss throwing little jabs at Bush every chance it got either. Then again, PBS does tend to lean to the left.

Truth hurts, eh?

Face it, Bush was a failure and a hoodlum up until he "found Jaysus". Even then, he was merely a puppet for the GOP handlers.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: conjur
Biographies of Kerry and Bush.

2 hour special.

Did they bring up Bushes alcoholism and suspected drug use which was followed up by his religious zeloiotism?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I watched the first hour or so and turned it off after that. Their handling of Kerry with kid gloves, soft-selling his tour of duty in Vietnam was off-putting. He won a silver star (based on the dubious report of beaching his craft and chasing down a VC) and then, next thing you know he was back in the States, "returning to civilian life." WTF? No scrutiny of his purple hearts or mentioning his quick three and out?

It sure didn't miss throwing little jabs at Bush every chance it got either. Then again, PBS does tend to lean to the left.

So, you are contradiciting EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE BOAT WITH HIM THAT SAY KERRY SAVED THEIR LIVES?

 

[wiin]

Nice to watch unbiased news

PBS? Unbiased news? yeah right.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: conjur
Biographies of Kerry and Bush.

2 hour special.

Did they bring up Bushes alcoholism and suspected drug use which was followed up by his religious zeloiotism?

No mention of drug abuse...there's no specific vidence of that. They did bring up his alcoholism a couple of times, esp. during his work on that Senator's campaign when Bush would brag about his benders.

There were parts covering the evangelical aspect and how Atwater/Rove capitalized on that and began taking advantage of it.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: wiin

Nice to watch unbiased news

PBS? Unbiased news? yeah right.

Yes, unbiased. Frontline has some of the best documentaries I've ever seen. Esp. the one on the late John O'Neill.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I watched the first hour or so and turned it off after that. Their handling of Kerry with kid gloves, soft-selling his tour of duty in Vietnam was off-putting. He won a silver star (based on the dubious report of beaching his craft and chasing down a VC) and then, next thing you know he was back in the States, "returning to civilian life." WTF? No scrutiny of his purple hearts or mentioning his quick three and out?

It sure didn't miss throwing little jabs at Bush every chance it got either. Then again, PBS does tend to lean to the left.

I swear to G-D, all of you putting Kerry down for his service in Vietnam need to take a SERIOUS step back and re-consider your own level of patriotism.

The man was there...in "the shiz", he was closer to certain death than ANY of the soldiers who stayed at home.

It doesn't take long for a place like that to effect a man. And it doesn't take long for a man to have an effect on that place.

Had you been there, you might understand. But until you step into his shoes, and onto that boat headed for the unknown with only yourself and a rifle.....

Shiz man, give the guy the credit he and ALL of the soldiers deserve.

You talk big game about supporting our troops..bla bla bla. It's all rhetoric, you have no concept of patriotism.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I watched the first hour or so and turned it off after that. Their handling of Kerry with kid gloves, soft-selling his tour of duty in Vietnam was off-putting. He won a silver star (based on the dubious report of beaching his craft and chasing down a VC) and then, next thing you know he was back in the States, "returning to civilian life." WTF? No scrutiny of his purple hearts or mentioning his quick three and out?

It sure didn't miss throwing little jabs at Bush every chance it got either. Then again, PBS does tend to lean to the left.

Truth hurts, eh?

Doesn't hurt me. Glad to see you admit that PBS leans to the left though and that the "documentary" was biased towards Kerry.

Face it, Bush was a failure and a hoodlum up until he "found Jaysus". Even then, he was merely a puppet for the GOP handlers.

Well Hanoi John had so many important things to do, like consort with the enemy during wartime.

 

[conjur]

How did I admit PBS leans to the left? It was a very fair and accurate portrayal of the lives of both Presidential candidates. Is it the fault of Frontline that Bush's past is rather checkered?

And, how did John Kerry consort with the enemy? If he did, he'd have been brought up on charges of treason 30+ years ago. You are just continuing to spread lies from the likes of the swiftboat liars.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: polm

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I watched the first hour or so and turned it off after that. Their handling of Kerry with kid gloves, soft-selling his tour of duty in Vietnam was off-putting. He won a silver star (based on the dubious report of beaching his craft and chasing down a VC) and then, next thing you know he was back in the States, "returning to civilian life." WTF? No scrutiny of his purple hearts or mentioning his quick three and out?

It sure didn't miss throwing little jabs at Bush every chance it got either. Then again, PBS does tend to lean to the left.

I swear to G-D, all of you putting Kerry down for his service in Vietnam need to take a SERIOUS step back and re-consider your own level of patriotism.

The man was there...in "the shiz", he was closer to certain death than ANY of the soldiers who stayed at home.

It doesn't take long for a place like that to effect a man. And it doesn't take long for a man to have an effect on that place.

Had you been there, you might understand. But until you step into his shoes, and onto that boat headed for the unknown with only yourself and a rifle.....

Shiz man, give the guy the credit he and ALL of the soldiers deserve.

You talk big game about supporting our troops..bla bla bla. It's all rhetoric, you have no concept of patriotism.

sorry for the rant.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: polm

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I watched the first hour or so and turned it off after that. Their handling of Kerry with kid gloves, soft-selling his tour of duty in Vietnam was off-putting. He won a silver star (based on the dubious report of beaching his craft and chasing down a VC) and then, next thing you know he was back in the States, "returning to civilian life." WTF? No scrutiny of his purple hearts or mentioning his quick three and out?

It sure didn't miss throwing little jabs at Bush every chance it got either. Then again, PBS does tend to lean to the left.

I swear to G-D, all of you putting Kerry down for his service in Vietnam need to take a SERIOUS step back and re-consider your own level of patriotism.

The man was there...in "the shiz", he was closer to certain death than ANY of the soldiers who stayed at home.

It doesn't take long for a place like that to effect a man. And it doesn't take long for a man to have an effect on that place.

Had you been there, you might understand. But until you step into his shoes, and onto that boat headed for the unknown with only yourself and a rifle.....

Shiz man, give the guy the credit he and ALL of the soldiers deserve.

You talk big game about supporting our troops..bla bla bla. It's all rhetoric, you have no concept of patriotism.

I give no man props that would smile in my face and then turn around and viciously stab me in the back, military service or not.

Kerry was a backstabber, plain and simple. He distorted and lied to make his case while plunging that blade in repeatedly, all to further his own personal agenda and career. He has and will never get respect from me. I know plenty of soldiers that served from WW2 through the Korean war, Vietnam, and the PGW. They didn't turn on the fellow man, their "friends." They have all the respect I can give them. Kerry is not in that group and never will be.