Payl Ryan, words are not enough, now lying through pictures

[emperus]

the scary thing is that there are tons of reporters following him in there taking pictures the whole time who KNOW all if this and are still going along with it

That is what pissed me off the most.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Shockingly there's been conservative backlash towards the soup kitchen over the outing of Ryan's little performance.

In the wake of Rep. Paul Ryan's embarrassing soup kitchen photo-op last week, the organization that runs the facility tells The Huffington Post that donors have begun pulling their money out of the Youngstown, Ohio charity.

Ryan may have suffered a few late-night jokes, but the fallout for the soup kitchen appears to be far more bruising. Brian J. Antal, president of the Mahoning County St. Vincent De Paul Society, confirmed that donors have begun an exodus in protest over Ryan's embarrassment. The monetary losses have been big. "It appears to be a substantial amount," Antal said. "You can rest assured there has been a substantial backlash."

Antal says he can't give an actual dollar amount. "I can't say how much [in] donations we lost," he said. "Donations are a private matter with our organization."

More at link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/soup-kitchen-paul-ryan-photo-donor_n_1980541.html
Make those homeless people and volunteers pay for their insolence!

 

[Lanyap]

Antal sure is making a big deal out of this. I wonder why?

The head of an Ohio charity who criticized Mitt Romney’s campaign for staging a “photo-op” at one of the group’s soup kitchens has consistently voted in Democratic primaries.

Brian J. Antal, president of the Mahoning County St. Vincent De Paul Society, described himself as an independent voter when telling the Post that vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan came into the soup kitchen without permission on Monday and “did nothing.” But records from the Mahoning County Board of Elections show that he has voted in Democratic primaries since at least 1995.
Ohio has semi-open primaries; your party affiliation is determined by which ballot you choose. You can change parties on the spot, or choose an issues-only ballot affiliated with neither party.

“Everyone is trying to turn this into a Republican vs. Democrat issue and that is the farthest thing from our original concerns,” Antal told the Post when asked late Monday about his primary voting record. “We cannot be associated with any party, and it has already cost us donations based upon the phone calls I have received this evening and that is from people on both sides of this.”

Antal was not at the soup kitchen when Ryan visited; volunteers let the Wisconsin congressman into the facility. He told NBC News that he heard that Ryan washed clean dishes from one of the volunteers and now says the lawmaker did wash several dirty dishes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...yan-critic-has-voted-in-democratic-primaries/

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Mitt Romney liked voting in Democratic primaries too. But let's all assume Antal made a big deal of this because of personal politics and not because it was innapropriate on several levels. Yeah, I'm sure Antal got exactly what he wanted out of this kerfuffle.

Edit: You know, scratch that. Antal didn't make a big deal of this. He made appropriate comments about Ryan's inappropriate actions. But keep trying to blame him for putting Ryan's lack of character on display. You apparently have a lot of company.

 

[shadow9d9]

Do people really want to keep using the word Lie when refering to a Presidential Candidate? All it reminds me of is 2008 and Obama

When someone mentions bad weather your mind will also jump to Obama. This is not an indication of anything substantial.

 

[shadow9d9]

This is what we argue about while both parties erect a massive intruding govt. In a way we deserve the drone strikes that will be coming to us in the coming years.

I only see republicans intruding into people's sex lives and post sex lives. I don't see any Democrats intruding. Care to name a few?

 

[Lanyap]

Mitt Romney liked voting in Democratic primaries too. But let's all assume Antal made a big deal of this because of personal politics and not because it was innapropriate on several levels. Yeah, I'm sure Antal got exactly what he wanted out of this kerfuffle.

Edit: You know, scratch that. Antal didn't make a big deal of this. He made appropriate comments about Ryan's inappropriate actions. But keep trying to blame him for putting Ryan's lack of character on display. You apparently have a lot of company.

It was a political photo op. That kind of stuff happens all the time. It's no big deal. The campaign thought they were going through the proper channels. You can tell by the tone of Antel's comments that he is over-reacting.

According to a Romney aide not authorized to speak publicly about the event, the campaign followed its usual protocol for impromptu, on-the-road stops by candidates: A staffer was dispatched to the St. Vincent De Paul Society ahead of Ryan’s visit Saturday morning and spoke with a woman in charge on site, who said that it would be fine for the congressman to stop by. The campaign did not contact Antal ahead of the visit.

The woman on site told the Romney staffer that some of the volunteers had already left, but that most were happy to remain until Ryan arrived, according to the aide. After Ryan left the soup kitchen, the woman approached a campaign staffer and expressed gratitude for Ryan’s visit, the aide said.

Some of Antal's comments:

“ramrodded their way”

“It’s strictly in our bylaws not to do it. They showed up there, and they did not have permission. They got one of the volunteers to open up the doors.”

“The photo-op they did wasn’t even accurate. He did nothing. He just came in here to get his picture taken at the dining hall.”

“can’t fault my volunteers” “didn’t go through the proper channels.”

“If this was the Democrats, I’d have the same exact problem.”

“all kinds of grief”

“Had they asked for permission, it wouldn’t have been granted. … But I certainly wouldn’t have let him wash clean pans, and then take a picture,”


Really, does that sound like something a normal head of charity would says in a situation like this?

 

[Lanyap]

More noteworthy news.

Why candidate photo ops go wrong — for Ryan and others
By David Skolnick

Wednesday, October 17, 2012

YOUNGSTOWN

Photo ops for politicians are as old as well ... cameras.

With the frantic sound of media photographers and journalists moving through tight spaces like a herd of cattle, a political candidate’s photo op is usually fleeting and either reinforces a message or provides fodder for pundits and the opposition.

Republican vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan created a stir and national attention after he and his family dropped by the St. Vincent DePaul Society Dining Hall on Saturday.

The visit came after his town-hall meeting at Youngstown State University.

Brian J. Antal, president of Mahoning County’s St. Vincent DePaul Society, contacted The Vindicator and The Washington Post on Monday telling them he was “shocked” and “angry” that Ryan used the soup kitchen for a “publicity stunt.”
[size=+2] So Antal contacted the media? [/size]

The society is nonpartisan, and Antal said that during election season, he wouldn’t permit any elected official inside the hall for a political “photo op.”

Antal is a registered Democrat, but said this issue has nothing to do with politics.
[size=+2] Really? So he lied about being an Independent voter?[/size]

If he is elected vice president, Ryan would be welcomed to volunteer at the dining hall as long as it’s not during a campaign and without turning it into a media event, Antal said.

“I didn’t want to make this a negative on the guy,” Antal said of Ryan. “I’m not here to blast anybody. We have no [political] affiliation with anyone.”
[size=+2] Really?[/size]

Juanita Sherba, St. Vincent’s Saturday coordinator for the dining hall, gave the Ryan campaign permission to have the candidate and his family come to the downtown location.

She said it was a mistake.
[size=+2] After the boss found out and was pissed?[/size]

The event was staged by the campaign, including having volunteers not clean a few pots and pans so Ryan and his family could be photographed doing that work, Sherba said.

“It was the phoniest piece of baloney I’ve ever been associated with,” said Sherba, a supporter of President Barack Obama, a Democrat, who said political affiliation had nothing to do with the issue.
[size=+2] Really?[/size]

The biggest political photo-op disasters are usually the fault of staff members, said David All, a Washington, D.C.-based communication strategist, who worked on the Ohio political campaigns of former President George W. Bush and retired U.S. Sen. George V. Voinovich.

All has ties to the Mahoning Valley as he was the 2002 campaign manager for Ann Womer Benjamin, who lost the 17th Congressional District race that year to Tim Ryan.

“Staff members want control and to make an event perfect,” All said. “They are really tightly wound. They lose their head and it ends up being a disaster.”

A good photo op is “more about communicating rather than creating a fictitious event. If it doesn’t work, let the politicians roll with it,” he said. “Sometimes they’re great moments because they’re out of the ordinary.”

William Binning, professor emeritus of political science at Youngstown State University, said a successful photo op is one with a backdrop that supports a candidate’s message.

“What we found in the Valley over the years is candidates of both parties come in, and if they were criticizing the other side, they would try to find an empty steel mill,” he said. “If they were promoting high tech, the [Youngstown Business] incubator was probably the most well-known photo op.”

This wasn’t the first time the Valley has been the location of a breakdown in communication that caused some embarrassment and unwanted national media attention for high-profile politicians.

In July, The Vindicator reported that the Poland man who introduced Obama at a rally at Dobbins Elementary School was found by a judge to have improperly taken “trade secrets” from a previous employer and owes $515,218 to that company.

In 2004, Bush, a Republican, and Democrat John Kerry, who lost that year’s presidential election, each had embarrassing moments in the area.

Bush had an invitation-only event at YSU on May 25, 2004, to discuss the importance of community health care centers, and how “junk and frivolous” malpractice lawsuits were driving doctors out of business.

Sharing the stage with the president was Dr. Compton Girdharry of Alliance. Bush said malpractice insurance forced the doctor out of his private practice.

But The New York Times reported a few weeks later that Girdharry had settled lawsuits and agreed to the payment of damages in malpractice suits in which patients suffered terrible injuries.

Not to be outdone, Kerry attracted national attention when The Vindicator wrote about his Canada goose-hunting trip in Springfield Township on Oct. 21, 2004, to show he was a sportsman.

Kerry pointed his loaded shotgun in the direction of a person nearby, and didn’t wear safety glasses or ear plugs, standard items when hunting geese.

Kerry wouldn’t carry any of the four geese killed in the hunt, making an off-the-cuff remark that “it was too heavy and I was too lazy.”

Kerry’s staff gave incorrect information about the gun he used and the name of the hunting dog.

The event came across as a staged event, which it was.

Mahoning County chairmen of both political parties agree that photo ops are a staple of campaign culture, but drew drastically different conclusions about the impact of Ryan’s soup kitchen photo op.

“A photo op is an opportunity for the media, and by extension voters, to visualize what a candidate” is about, said David Betras, the Democratic chairman.

For a photo op to be successful, it has to be sincere, and Ryan’s was not, Betras said.

Republican Chairman Mark Munroe said photo ops have a long tradition because politicians have limited time and tight schedules.

Candidates “look for opportunities to interact with voters and present themselves in the best light. There’s nothing wrong or unusual about that, but what’s happened in Youngstown has been blown so far out of proportion,” Munroe said.

He added, “It’s fair to say that the lifetime of a photo-op story is typically pretty short.”

http://www.vindy.com/news/2012/oct/17/when--and-why--photo-ops-go-wrong/?newswatch

 

[shadow9d9]

More noteworthy news.



http://www.vindy.com/news/2012/oct/17/when--and-why--photo-ops-go-wrong/?newswatch

So, you are trying to go after the messenger... this is a valid tactic to you?

Going to a closed kitchen and fake cleaning clean dishes makes you look like a fool. No amount of deflection will change that.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

So, you are trying to go after the messenger... this is a valid tactic to you?

Going to a closed kitchen and fake cleaning clean dishes makes you look like a fool. No amount of deflection will change that.

This messenger runs a soup kitchen and is registered as a Democrat- he's clearly a politically driven asshole.

 

[Fayd]

So, you are trying to go after the messenger... this is a valid tactic to you?

Going to a closed kitchen and fake cleaning clean dishes makes you look like a fool. No amount of deflection will change that.

they were apparently dirty dishes intentionally left dirty so he would have something to clean.

i think you're still raging over nothing. politicians do this kind of stupidity because it gets votes from idiots. both sides do it.

 

[Lanyap]

So, you are trying to go after the messenger... this is a valid tactic to you?

Going to a closed kitchen and fake cleaning clean dishes makes you look like a fool. No amount of deflection will change that.

Antal is more than the messenger. This was a stupid political photo op. Ryan's campaign should not have done it. But it's the left and Antal that are blowing it out of proportion and causing donations to go down, IF they are really going down. We will never know unless Antal releases the information.

It looks like the original instigators of this outrage, BagNews (BagNews is a progressive site dedicated to visual politics and the analysis of news images), is now pissed at WAPO for defending the photo op. They're keying on the “ramrodding”. What? That's the way longtime democratic supporter Antal described it but he wasn't even there. And the lady who ran the soup kitchen is a democrat and Obama supporter and now saying it was "phoney baloney".

This wreaks of faux outrage and it's hurting the charity.

That “ramrodding” is what’s in the pudding that can’t be scrubbed away, no matter how much Sno-ee you pour on it. … Now, if Ron and Nancy had helped themselves to those horses and then trespassed on private land after talking their way past some lowly groundskeeper, then we’d be talking.

http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2012/10...of-ryans-soup-kitchen-photo-op-is-dead-wrong/

 

[emperus]

they were apparently dirty dishes intentionally left dirty so he would have something to clean.

i think you're still raging over nothing. politicians do this kind of stupidity because it gets votes from idiots. both sides do it.

Actually they don't. That is why there is outrage. Obama went to a food shelter with his family for thanksgiving I believe. It was a photo op but they actually did work. They stood in the lines and plopped out food. What work was Ryan doing? In fact he caused volunteers to not go home after volunteering to wait for him to pretend to wash dishes.

 

[Theb]

the scary thing is that there are tons of reporters following him in there taking pictures the whole time who KNOW all if this and are still going along with it

All photo ops are staged.

"Get ready guys, I'm gonna do hunting."

"I'll just spend the day rebuilding New Orleans. Just hammering away. Surrounded by random people and power tools."

"Crouch down with me, perfect. LOL why aren't your sleeves rolled up noob?"

I would imagine reporters go along with it for a variety of reasons but the two easiest to define are probably that if you don't follow the narrative you don't get invited back and the fact that photo ops are staged would normally be a non-story.

 

[mchammer187]

All photo ops are staged.

"Get ready guys, I'm gonna do hunting."

"I'll just spend the day rebuilding New Orleans. Just hammering away. Surrounded by random people and power tools."

"Crouch down with me, perfect. LOL why aren't your sleeves rolled up noob?"

I would imagine reporters go along with it for a variety of reasons but the two easiest to define are probably that if you don't follow the narrative you don't get invited back and the fact that photo ops are staged would normally be a non-story.

I don't have a problem with any of these photo ops.

The OP's post is more like of starting a forest fire just so you could take a picture of Paul Ryan putting it out. The Bush one would be similar if they took down a wall that was already assembled just so that he had something to nail then that would be similar but I am pretty sure that didn't happen.

 

[Lanyap]

Kerry almost did a Chaney. He was pointing that loaded shotgun at someone with his finger on the trigger.

 

[BoberFett]

I don't have a problem with any of these photo ops.

The OP's post is more like of starting a forest fire just so you could take a picture of Paul Ryan putting it out. The Bush would would be similar if they took down a wall that was already assembled just so that he had something to nail then that would be similar but I am pretty sure that didn't happen.

So the crux of the left's outrage here is that clean dishes were rewashed?

 

[mchammer187]

So the crux of the left's outrage here is that clean dishes were rewashed?

I would say so yes.

 

[mect]

Actually they don't. That is why there is outrage. Obama went to a food shelter with his family for thanksgiving I believe. It was a photo op but they actually did work. They stood in the lines and plopped out food. What work was Ryan doing? In fact he caused volunteers to not go home after volunteering to wait for him to pretend to wash dishes.

So did you miss the part where it stated that he apparently did wash several dirty dishes. Wasn't all the outrage here because the original claim (which now appears to be false) was that he only washed clean dishes. Or have we now shifted the goal posts since that argument was lost?

 

[Lanyap]

I would say so yes.

Antal and the lady running the kitchen who gave permission for the photo op have already clarified that that there were some dirty dishess.

 

[Lanyap]

I might as well post this in this thread too.

So let's sum this situation up.


Ryan's campaign thinks it's a good idea for Ryan and his family to have a photo op at a charity soup kitchen. They talked to the person in charge ahead of time who gives permission for the photo op. Neither the lady or Ryan's people know that it's against the bylaws of the charity.

Ryan is running late so the campaign asks the lady at the soup kitchen if they can leave a few dirty pots and pans around for them to clean so the media can take pictures. The lady in charge agrees that it would be ok.

Ryan and his family stop at the soup kitchen and try to salvage the late photo op. Media is taking pictures like crazy as they usually to in photo ops like this.

Progressive website starts looking at pictures and notice that some of the pots are clean when Ryan washes them. The word gets out in the liberal world about the photo op and they are posting on blogs, forums, etc., outraged that this happened.

The democratic supporting president of the charity goes ballistic and starts calling the media with the smackdown on Ryan.

Conservative donors get pissed at the president of the charity for saying all those negative things about Ryan and supposedly stop their donations.

Liberals who don't normally contribute to charity come out in force to help this charity and blame the evil Ryan for all of this. Since the left started this debacle it's probably only fair that they replace the contributions that were stopped.

Looks like a win/win here. Liberals are giving money to charity and Ryan gets support from conservatives.


Did I miss anything?

 

[Todd33]

I might as well post this in this thread too.

...

Did I miss anything?

The truth?

How did the "left" start this? Ryan's campaign are the ones who busted into the place. The right are the ones who got hostile with the place because their guy acted like a jack ass and was caught.

The only thing I see from the left is laughter at the original situation and sympathy for the people running the place, who were victims of ignorant hate mongers.

 

[mect]

The truth?

How did the "left" start this? Ryan's campaign are the ones who busted into the place. The right are the ones who got hostile with the place because their guy acted like a jack ass and was caught.

The only thing I see from the left is laughter at the original situation and sympathy for the people running the place, who were victims of ignorant hate mongers.

You ask for the truth, and then go on to say that Ryan's campaign "busted into the place". Now there's an honest statement.