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Pay off credit cards, or downpayment on a home?

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: PricklyPete
If you have that much debt...what makes you think you'll be able to ward off going into further debt when you have all the house related costs affecting you (they always end up being more than you think).
I'm getting engaged soon (gf is very frugal), and that debt actually is much lower than it was a few years back.

Even better reason to pay off debt. Start your marriage out right by being debt free.
 
Originally posted by: Zoblefu
I think it's unanimous (even if I can't spell it)

pay of the CCs now
$8k is gone, I'll close that out soon. On the other two, I'm going to hold off for a couple of days since I'm going to a first-time homeowner's seminar tomorrow. I'll see what the closing costs will be of the new home, and go from there.
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
If you have to ask this question, don't buy a house.

Agreed. There are a lot of other expenses/things to buy the first few years of owning a home. Just going to make your debt even higher.
 
You'll get a lot of opinions on this, so here's mine.

1. Stop charging on the credit cards.
2. Do not close the accounts. (This would affect your FICO negatively)
3. Pay off the 8K @ 19% card to zero.

This leaves you with 7K emergency cash and a smaller debt than you had. Use this as a new starting point to build up a down payment and pay down the remaining debt at the same time.

4. Apply the payment you used to make to the 8K debt to the 2K debt in addition to the minimum payment until it's gone.
5. Bank any extra money (change what habits you have to in order to have extra) with the 7K in bank.
6. When 2K debt is gone, finish off the 5K debt with the payments you used to make to the other 2 CCs.

When you complete this (and all along the way) you'll have a higher FICO score, a cleaner CC slate with more untapped credit, and money in the bank. This should give a better rate on the mortgage, and more sources to choose from.

This path is nothing sexy, but it's as clear and definate as the path to the store. When you get a house be sure to have 2K to 5K in reserve because a house is an asset only as long as you can afford to keep up the taxes and maintinance. If you can't, a house very rapidly becomes a liability.


Jim
 
Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: Zoblefu
I think it's unanimous (even if I can't spell it)

pay of the CCs now
$8k is gone, I'll close that out soon. On the other two, I'm going to hold off for a couple of days since I'm going to a first-time homeowner's seminar tomorrow. I'll see what the closing costs will be of the new home, and go from there.


Pay off the 8K, but don't close it. That would hurt FICO and it sounds like you want a high one.

Use caution when you go to the seminar. They are often just a sustained sales pitch for someone's products or services. By all means go and learn what you can for no additional money over the ($10 to $100) entrance fee. Knowledge is power, just don't expect a workable "get rich quick" scheme.


Jim

 
While there were many people here saying decent advice (ie pay off ALL of the CCs first), there was only one person I saw with the best advice:
Originally posted by: sdifox
If you have to ask this question, don't buy a house.
Bingo. Some people are capable of buying homes but who never, ever should buy a home. Ilmater, you are most likely one of those people.

 
Originally posted by: dullard
While there were many people here saying decent advice (ie pay off ALL of the CCs first), there was only one person I saw with the best advice:
Originally posted by: sdifox
If you have to ask this question, don't buy a house.
Bingo. Some people are capable of buying homes but who never, ever should buy a home. Ilmater, you are most likely one of those people.
You honestly think I should never buy a home?! My debt has been decreasing for years and this money gives me the option to finally put it behind me. I've been working with a financial planner (who I stopped working with when he lied to my friends and sold me things just to hit sales goals) and it has increased my FICO score a lot.

Understand, while $15k in debt is a lot and I accept that, I make a lot of money. I pull in $80k gross per year, and that growth in income has allowed me to pay off these debts faster. There was a time when I was in debt for $25k.
 
Originally posted by: Ilmater
Understand, while $15k in debt is a lot and I accept that, I make a lot of money. I pull in $80k gross per year, and that growth in income has allowed me to pay off these debts faster. There was a time when I was in debt for $25k.

You are well on your way to financial disaster with that attitude. I'm trying to help, but that kind of "I make decent money and can afford it" is going to ruin you. Thinking about buying a house, with that attitude and that amount of debt....seriously rethink your strategy.
 
Originally posted by: MixMasterTang
Originally posted by: Dacalo
Pay off those credit cards.

I second the motion. You would be insane not to pay off at least the high interest cards. It could help improve your credit score a good deal too and let you get a better rate on a home loan.



I say pay 40% on each of your cards....

That way you still have some debt and it will not look as bad on your home loan
 
Originally posted by: Ilmater
I have $15k in cash right now, and just barely over $15k in credit card debt.

$8k @ 19%
$5k @ 13.25%
$2k @ 11%

But I'm also in the market for a house. And, I'm thinking that if I have a house, I'll have equity to get a loan and decrease those interest rates.

So, does anyone know how much better my rates could get on those loans, vs. what benefit I get from putting a downpayment on the house?


So wait, you wanna take out a mortage at 7% and then take out loan against the house at a worst rate (you don't have any equity if you just bougt it) to pay off money you owe at rediculous rates?

edit: make that 9%, you ain't prime...
 
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
I hate to say it, but you're an idiot. Why would you keep accumulating finance charges that high when you have the cash?? PAY THEM OFF NOW!

and you do realize you have to HAVE equity to get an HEL...

QFT

You have 15K earning 0% interest and you owe ~15K at avg 17% ... and you're contemplating taking a loan at >0% (likely near 10%) to pay down your cc? Use your fvckign head man...
 

pay off cc, but that shouldn't stop you from buying a home if you can.

Most of the interest you pay on the home loan is tax deductable. That is why its better
to pay off cc.

 
That you are asking this question at all is sad. Pay off your credit cards and spend the next year or two saving up money, bringing your FICO score up, and learning to manage your finances responsibly. Don't count on your soon-to-be fiancee to take care of the budget for you. You've already shown yourself to be bad at making financial decisions, don't add a house to the mix. If you are making 80k a year as a single guy and you have 15k in high interest credit card debt, you're not in any position to be a homeowner. Houses are money pits. Many people who buy houses after living in rentals don't factor in what it costs to maintain a home. If you pay, say, 1500 a month for a rental, don't even THINK about getting a mortgage that's over 1000. Between taxes and fixing stuff, you're going to be spending a lot more than 1000. What are you going to do if you need a new roof or water heater or furnace in a couple years? Put it on your credit cards and pay 19% interest on it because you didn't plan for it?
 
Originally posted by: Ilmater
You honestly think I should never buy a home?! My debt has been decreasing for years and this money gives me the option to finally put it behind me. I've been working with a financial planner (who I stopped working with when he lied to my friends and sold me things just to hit sales goals) and it has increased my FICO score a lot.

Understand, while $15k in debt is a lot and I accept that, I make a lot of money. I pull in $80k gross per year, and that growth in income has allowed me to pay off these debts faster. There was a time when I was in debt for $25k.
I honestly think that you shouldn't buy a home YET. I'll ignore the other posts you've made in other threads and just focus on this thread. What have you said?
1) You've had debt problems in the past.
2) You aren't sure yet how to handle your money (that is why you made a thread).
3) You are starting a new life with your GF (soon to be wife).
4) You fell for buying financial items from a scammer (and are going to a potentially scamming seminar in a few days).
5) As soon as you get a good financial footing (good job + inheritance) you want to spend it.

Those 5 things together don't give me a picture of someone ready for a home now. Instead, that list reminds me of several people I knew in similar situations. What happened to them? They all had their house forclosed, taken away from them, and they are on the verge of bankruptcy. Is that guaranteed to happen to you? Of course not. But you are certainly following in their paths perfectly so far.

I urge you do to several things first before you consider a house.
1) Pay off your debt.
2) Enjoy your $80k/year income without the headache of big bills. That means you can enjoy life. Too few people remember to do this. Spend a couple years care free (where you can go on a vacation on a whim, or buy whatever you want, etc) before getting bogged down with a house and the associated debt.
3) Prove to yourself that you can save and live within your means. This means don't go to excess in what I just said above.
4) Get married.
5) Then get a house that both you and your GF will like and enjoy together in a stable life without the constant hassle of unpaid debts.

Do it for yourself, but also do it for your GF. Why would you want to burden her with your massive CC bills or mortgage when you get married? If you truely cared about her, you'd get yourself debt free. You'll have 50 years in a house. Why rush just so it'll be 51 years? Housing prices certainly aren't going to be going any higher any time soon (in most areas of the country), so waiting won't harm you. Waiting will only help.
 
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: Ilmater
I have $15k in cash right now, and just barely over $15k in credit card debt.

$8k @ 19%
$5k @ 13.25%
$2k @ 11%

But I'm also in the market for a house. And, I'm thinking that if I have a house, I'll have equity to get a loan and decrease those interest rates.

So, does anyone know how much better my rates could get on those loans, vs. what benefit I get from putting a downpayment on the house?


So wait, you wanna take out a mortage at 7% and then take out loan against the house at a worst rate (you don't have any equity if you just bougt it) to pay off money you owe at rediculous rates?

edit: make that 9%, you ain't prime...

I assume you know his FICO score then?
If not, you have no way of knowing what kind of rate he can get.

But I agree that the idea of buying a house, then using an equity loan to pay off the debt doesn't make any sense. With 15k to put down, you're not going to start with any real equity.

Pay off the CC's. It will increase your FICO and make your DTI look better, possibly allowing you to get a better rate and get into a house with very little money down. If you can afford the mortgage, there are plenty of ways to get into a house with almost zero cash.
 
One rule of thumb I always go by with credit cards is, if you don't have the actual cash, don't use it. I only use a credit card for internet shopping/services (hosting etc) but pay it off right away. In the long run you'll spend way less money since you won't be paying interest.
 
Does anyone here believe that the OP is going to actually take all this good advice and pay off the CC's? Based on his responses, I highly doubt it.
 
Originally posted by: Dacalo
Pay off those credit cards.
Now!

You're paying too much interest. Plus, it'll hurt your credit score and how much house/loan you can qualify for. This is an easy one. Pay off cards now!

 
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