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Paul Walker's daughter sues Porsche

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To me there is a clear difference between saying that a car like the Carrera GT is tricky to drive and a handful at the limit (as it clearly is), and saying that it's defective. If the car's steering rack had locked up, or it had suffered some other major system failure causing an accident, I'd be fine with blaming Porsche, but if (as it appears) this accident was caused by a combination of driver error and old tires, that is not Porsche's fault, and they should pay nothing.
 
William Gaatjes said:
I agree to this.
When handled wrong, even driving an original fiat500 can kill you.

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I know someone in San Diego with one of those preserved in his garage. I stored some of my stuff in it for a few weeks. 🙂
 
Jodell88 said:
Porche will settle, and she'll get the money she wants.

I don't see how she'll win the argument in court though.
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They will not settle without at least fighting it in court. It would open the floodgates for similar claims.
z0mb13 said:
Of course the biggest mistake lies in the driver..



But this is an exotic car capable of 200+ mph and its street legal to boot.. Porsche should know rich people would flog it on the street and why they didnt put traction control after so many cases also has merit IMHO
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Similarly powerful cars have existed on the street long before computerized traction control.
who? said:
If you're going to have TC why even have an engine this powerful? On dry pavement would the TC even have turned on in that short a time?
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Engines this powerful predate traction control. Many enthusiasts resent giving up any control to the computer and specifically want to disable it or buy one without TC. It's just like motorcyclists who don't want ABS because they think they will be as good at stopping in an emergency as winning track racers. It's BS.
 
z0mb13 said:
I don't disagree that the driver is most at fault, but making a car that is too dangerous to drive is also a problem. Should an auto maker make a car that 100% focus on a performance but not on safety and market it as street legal? With the type of clientelle of people that buy these cars thats not a wise choice imo.
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Are you kidding?
 
norseamd said:
Mount Everest is tall, and Mount Everest ought to know that rich shitsnobs would flock to climb it, and thus we ought to sue Mount Everest for being so dangerous when it knows that rich shitsnobs would flock to it for climbing.
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FYI Nepal just announced they're going to ban newbie climbers because they're over run with unskilled climbers how are paying to say they climbed it.
 
Lean L said:
I have no problem with blaming the driver for speeding. There's no coming back from the fact that he was going twice the speed limit. People make mistakes. It's a bit easier to wrap a Porsche around a pole compared to most other cars. Not saying Porsche is to blame at all though.

The problem with this whole "let's compare this Porsche to a civic" premise is the fact that it's sensationalization. It's also discrediting the fact that the car is a monster to drive.

That's either here nor there though. Once again, I think this entire case can be decided by the tires.
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IMHO If it is easier to wreck a car because it is a difficult to drive enthusiast car, then the driver has a responsibility. I would love to drive in a ferrari or bugatti or even this model porsche. But i would never floor it unless on a dedicated racetrack / practice race track or open field. I am using myself as an example here, why could other drivers not do the same ? He was speeding and reckless driving.
 
CZroe said:
I know someone in San Diego with one of those preserved in his garage. I stored some of my stuff in it for a few weeks. 🙂
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Nowadays there is a new model. And i believe it is pretty fast for having such a little engine.

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There is a model with a 200hp coming from a turbo 1.4l engine. 😱
 
William Gaatjes said:
Nowadays there is a new model. And i believe it is pretty fast for having such a little engine.

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There is a model with a 200hp coming from a turbo 1.4l engine. 😱
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Yep. I see those everywhere even though they claim that they aren't selling well. There's been one at my brother's apartment complex for at least a few year now. The classic one hiding in my friend's garage was a surprise though. I don't think he ever intends to drive his classic Fiat. He traded in his VW for a nice mini just before I left.
 
norseamd said:
IIRC Rogas died instantly while Paul survived the crash but died in the fire. Still no way to tell if his injuries were survivable if someone was to pull him out of the car at the time. What is interesting is that someone was filming the crash while Paul was still alive yet did nothing to try to save him at all. Just kept on filming and then uploaded everything to youtube.
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That's kind of a tough call. It can be dangerous to get that close to a burning vehicle; however, sitting there filming it can be a rather douche move. Well, filming it for uploading to YouTube would be bad... filming it for evidence for police and such might be acceptable.
 
Drako said:
Not difficult to drive if driven at sane speeds.
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William Gaatjes said:
IMHO If it is easier to wreck a car because it is a difficult to drive enthusiast car, then the driver has a responsibility. I would love to drive in a ferrari or bugatti or even this model porsche. But i would never floor it unless on a dedicated racetrack / practice race track or open field. I am using myself as an example here, why could other drivers not do the same ? He was speeding and reckless driving.
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These quotes collectively represent exactly the point that I want to drive.

There's no need to floor this car to go fast. I suspect that throttle is like an on off switch. You had 10 seconds to change your mind to be responsible again in the civic, you have one second here.
 
Lean L said:
These quotes collectively represent exactly the point that I want to drive.

There's no need to floor this car to go fast. I suspect that throttle is like an on off switch. You had 10 seconds to change your mind to be responsible again in the civic, you have one second here.
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but the dude was "experienced".
 
I suspect the battle will be more over the safety aspects of the car (restraint devices and fire avoidance, specifically) and less about why the crash happened. Someone can run off the road and paralyze themselves because they were texting, but if the safety devices weren't working properly the manufacturer can still be liable. Regardless of the cause, the safety devices should work and the car should not unduly put the operators at risk.

The circumstances could come in to play, but I imagine they could cite other vehicles' small overlap impact performance and compare it to the Carrera GT to find it lacking. Porsche might be in trouble here.
 
Lean L said:
http://wonderfulengineering.com/por...as-riding-the-most-dangerous-car-on-the-road/

Read about what Jeremy Clarkson said about this car in this link.

It's a difficult to drive car for anyone.

Although I'm in agreement that the guy was speeding.
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how dificult the car is to drive in has nothing to do with it. they were speeding on 9 yr old tires.

it's 100% on the driver. Saying anything like how "difficult" it is to drive and such attempts to cast blame where it does not belong.
 
_Rick_ said:
CF monocoque should be superior to most other cars, unless delamination is an issue, or a major designflaw somewhere.
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It's not a question of rigidity, but how the energy is transferred and deflected around the passenger compartment once absorbed. CF monocoque isn't a free pass and can sometimes be harder to achieve consistent results due to CF's elasticity under load.
 
You can't expect good things to happen when driving at 90 mph down a road/area like that. I feel bad for the daughter but this is a ridiculous lawsuit.
 
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