Paul Ryan won't subject his mother to his own Medicare reform plan

her209

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...fc1c76-e908-11e1-9739-eef99c5fb285_story.html

ORLANDO, Fla. — Paul Ryan says seniors have nothing to worry about when it comes to Medicare and Social Security if there’s a Republican in the White House.

Don’t believe the GOP vice presidential candidate? Then just ask his 78-year-old mother.

Betty Ryan Douglas planned to campaign Saturday with her congressman son at a big retirement community as the Republican campaign tries to blunt withering criticism from President Barack Obama and his allies. The Democratic team charges that presidential candidate Mitt Romney and Ryan would gut programs for older people.

Obama planned to dig in on that point Saturday in New Hampshire. Aides say he will cast the voters’ choice as one between two fundamentally different approaches to government’s responsibility to its citizens and who pays the bill.

Romney’s schedule had him raising money at six events in Massachusetts while his running mate was charging into a potentially dicey audience. Older Americans have often resisted changes in Medicare, the federal health care insurance program for people 65 and older, and for the disabled.

The Romney-Ryan ticket is betting big that voters’ worries about federal deficits and the Democrats’ health care overhaul have opened the door for a robust debate on the solvency of Medicare, one of the government’s most popular and costliest programs. Obama has welcomed the conversation, which has temporarily taken attention from the weak economic recovery.

The Democratic campaign, trying to reach female voters, released an ad Friday that sought to undercut Romney by pointing to Ryan’s voting record on funding for Planned Parenthood and abortion. “For women, for president, the choice is ours,” the ad says. The ad was airing in Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, Ohio, Florida and Iowa.

In the week since Romney announced Ryan as his running mate, Medicare and Social Security have appeared as a driving issue. Florida, Pennsylvania and Iowa are among the top five states in the percentage of people 65 and over, and all three are closely contested this election.

Polling generally shows that the public places more trust in Democrats’ ability to handle Medicare than they do Republicans. People also generally oppose plans to replace the current program with one in which future seniors receive a fixed amount of money from the government to be used to purchase health coverage, according to polls.

At the same time, polling shows the public strongly believes the financial security of Medicare as well as Social Security must be guaranteed for the long term. Government reports for years have warned of a looming shortfall if something isn’t done to change course.

The GOP ticket’s challenge is to convince seniors, who reliably vote, that the GOP ticket is best positioned to cure the ailing system for them and their grandchildren.

“We will not duck the tough issues. We will lead,” Ryan said Friday in Virginia.

Ryan’s stop Saturday at the gated retirement cluster known as The Villages is familiar ground for presidential candidates. Florida has the highest concentration of voters over 65 in the country. Some 17 percent of Floridians fall into that group.

New Hampshire, where Obama will campaign later in the day, has 14 percent of its residents over 65.

While residents of this Florida cluster of retirees make this a conservative stronghold, its builder is H. Gary Morse, a wealthy developer who is backing Romney. But the appearance could be tricky for Ryan, Congress’ chief advocate of significantly restraining entitlement programs.

Put simply: Voters like their Medicare and Social Security.

Looking to connect with this group, the 42-year-old Wisconsin lawmaker told CBS’ ”60 Minutes” that the issues hit close to home.

“My mom is a Medicare senior in Florida,” he said.

Betty Ryan Douglas spends part of her year in Broward County’s Lauderdale-by-the-Sea community and has been registered to vote in Florida since 1997.

If Ryan's Medicare voucher program supposed to be better for everyone, then he shouldn't be exempting his own mother from his grand idea.
 

a777pilot

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There you go again. Of course his mother is not going on his plan, she is over 55 years old. That is part of the plan. Besides, you should be studying the Romney Plan, not the Ryan Plan.

Now go ask Bobo, the Post Turtle, and the Congressional members of the Democrat Party if their families are going on BoboCare.
 
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Jaskalas

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Part of the plan: nothing changes for current seniors.

OP, your response is a political hack.
 
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her209

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There you go again. Of course his mother is not going on his plan, she is over 55 years old. That is part of the plan. Besides, you should be studying the Romney Plan, not the Ryan Plan.

Part of the plan: nothing changes for current seniors.

OP, your response is a political hack.

That was precisely my point. Paul Ryan's plan is so batshit crazy and bad that he isn't willing to send his kin up the river with the rest of us.
 

her209

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Obama should be sending his kids to a public school to be taught by low grade public school teachers. He isn't because he's a scummy hypocrite and rich enough to do better for his kids.

False equivalence. Obama isn't tell everyone that they have to send their kids to public schools.
 

Jaskalas

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That was precisely my point. Paul Ryan's plan is so batshit crazy and bad that he isn't willing to send his kin up the river with the rest of us.

Really, who has a plan that changes current retiree benefits?

I thought leaving them alone was standard practice.
 

a777pilot

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For those that are younger than 55, they always have the option of not joining the voucher plan and remaining on the current plan.

I'm not sure but I believe this is called a choice.
 

her209

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For those that are younger than 55, they always have the option of not joining the voucher plan and remaining on the current plan.

I'm not sure but I believe this is called a choice.

So why isn't Ryan trotting out his wife and telling us about this so-called choice?
 

Phokus

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There you go again. Of course his mother is not going on his plan, she is over 55 years old. That is part of the plan. Besides, you should be studying the Romney Plan, not the Ryan Plan.

Now go as Bobo, the Post Turtle, and the Congressional members of the Democrat Party if their families are going on BoboCare.

There's nothing to study. Because Romney is being intentionally vague.
 

Sonikku

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Ryan's plan doesn't change ANYTHING for people over 55, of course his mother won't be affected. Or any Senior voting in November. His plan isn't like Obama's policies that just kick the can, he's actually trying to make medicare sustainable.
 

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It almost seems like Democrats are being deliberately stupid.

If Ryan's plan for medicare is so great wouldnt he want to subject everyone to it?

It seems like the Democrats should be able to point out that he is purposefully screwing over young people while protecting those that allowed Medicare to become unsustainable.
 

a777pilot

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Ryan's plan doesn't change ANYTHING for people over 55, of course his mother won't be affected. Or any Senior voting in November. His plan isn't like Obama's policies that just kick the can, he's actually trying to make medicare sustainable.

Yes, that is correct. Besides, if you are younger than 55 and you like your planned coverage under Medicare as it is now, then you can keep it.

I understand that for most Liberals/Democrats a choice is a difficult thing to comprehend.
 

nageov3t

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So why isn't Ryan trotting out his wife and telling us about this so-called choice?

because old people vote and are scared of change.

it's the same reason Obamacare's medicare cuts conveniently don't go into effect until after the election.
 

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Yes, that is correct. Besides, if you are younger than 55 and you like your planned coverage under Medicare as it is now, then you can keep it.

I understand that for most Liberals/Democrats a choice is a difficult thing to comprehend.

55 sure is a politically convenient way of "kicking the can".
 

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Obama should be sending his kids to a public school to be taught by low grade public school teachers. He isn't because he's a scummy hypocrite and rich enough to do better for his kids.
False equivalence. Obama isn't tell everyone that they have to send their kids to public schools.

Part of the reason is also that DC is not the safest area, and doesn't have great public schools. There's no Walt Whitman school there.

Did you know that Jimmy Carter's daughter Amy went to D.C. public schools?

It almost seems like Democrats are being deliberately stupid.

If Ryan's plan for medicare is so great wouldnt he want to subject everyone to it?

It seems like the Democrats should be able to point out that he is purposefully screwing over young people while protecting those that allowed Medicare to become unsustainable.

I think it's less stupidity and more a tactical decision; older people have the perception that they paid into Medicare and are therefore entitled to it.
 

monovillage

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Part of the reason is also that DC is not the safest area, and doesn't have great public schools. There's no Walt Whitman school there.

Did you know that Jimmy Carter's daughter Amy went to D.C. public schools?



I think it's less stupidity and more a tactical decision; older people have the perception that they paid into Medicare and are therefore entitled to it.

Let's see Amy was 30+ years ago? How about Chelsea? Aww was that a expensive private school also? Good thing she didn't have to mingle with the common riff-raff.

Any area is safe when you have numerous secret service agents armed to the teeth and willing to give up their lives to protect you.

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