Paul Ryan will be unvieling the FY2012 budget tomorrow: $4T in cuts

[her209]

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/03/news/economy/federal_budget_house_republicans/?section=money_latest

It would also convert Medicare into a voucher program -- what Ryan called a "premium-support system" -- for those turning 65 after 2020. Under such a system, seniors would choose from a Medicare-approved list of private insurance plans and have their premiums subsidized by the federal government. No one 55 or older now would be affected by the change, Ryan said.

Mandating me to buy a private product... Where have we seen this?

 

[Anarchist420]

Paul Ryan really pisses me off. Vouchers aren't going to cut the costs of medicare.

 

[yllus]

Just because I saw this on my morning commute, from Matt Yglesias:

In other words, it wasn’t just cuts in middle class benefits in order to cut taxes on the rich. It was cuts in middle class beefits and middle class tax hikes in order to cut taxes on the rich. It’ll be interesting to see if the House Republicans formally introduce such a plan and if so how many people will vote for it.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

 

[ElFenix]

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/03/news/economy/federal_budget_house_republicans/?section=money_latest


Mandating me to buy a private product... Where have we seen this?

isn't that basically medicare part C?

 

[OrByte]

Just because I saw this on my morning commute, from Matt Yglesias:

hmmmmm.... I wasn't expecting this....


total surprise.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

hmmmmm.... I wasn't expecting this....


total surprise.

It's a Republican plan, what did you expect?

 

[OrByte]

It's a Republican plan, what did you expect?

oh I dunno, something that would clearly benefit "We The People" ?

After all, wasn't it "We The People" that got off their fat asses and voted for them back in November?

It seems like "We The People" got duped....YET AGAIN.

 

[ProfJohn]

Just because I saw this on my morning commute, from Matt Yglesias:

The red box is a comparison between Rand's proposal and Obama's. Not exactly a fair comparison, unless you are a Democrat of course.

How about a comparison between the current system and Rand's which might be a little more honest.

 

[CallMeJoe]

oh I dunno, something that would clearly benefit "We The People" ?
After all, wasn't it "We The People" that got off their fat asses and voted for them back in November?
It seems like "We The People" got duped....YET AGAIN.

Careful; don't try to turn this into a spidey call-out thread!

 

[yllus]

The red box is a comparison between Rand's proposal and Obama's. Not exactly a fair comparison, unless you are a Democrat of course.

How about a comparison between the current system and Rand's which might be a little more honest.

How is comparing one party's proposal to the other's not fair? Are the numbers incorrect?

 

[boomerang]

Nice chart and they came out with it awfully quick too. Actually, almost a month before Ryan publicly talked of his plan. That's sort of curious. Edit: I misread chart to be from March of 2011 when in fact it's from March of 2010. More reason to discount the biased information in the link below.

I present you an article right from the source.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2...ike-to-make-tax-cuts-for-the-rich-affordable/

The idea here is that today’s old people—a very white group that’s also hostile to gay rights, and thus sort of predisposed to like conservative politicians—will also get to benefit from an extremely generous single-payer health care system. But younger people—a less white group that’s friendly to gay rights and thus predisposed to skepticism about conservative politicians—will get to pay the high taxes to finance old people’s generous single-payer health care system, but then we won’t get to benefit from it.

Reads like an individual looking at everything with a single agenda front and center.

Has anyone got a link for the budget plan the Dem's have come up with? I'd sure like to see the cuts the Dem's proposed for the sake of comparison. Oh wait, we haven't seen Ryan's yet.

 

[chucky2]

At this point, anyone proposing plans on taxation is simply switching the proper point of focus from where it should be at - budget deficit - to something everyone will be up in arms about to make sure they don't have to pay more than their 'fair share' - whatever that means.

Every one of these politicians should be locked into a room, food will be delivered, and they can emerge from it when they 1.) lock down the border and then 2.) have a budget that doesn't go 1c over the governements current income. (that order is necessary so they don't use not going over budget as an excuse for not locking down the border)

Once they've accomplished that, then they can start tackling other sh1t like tax system, healthcare, wars, etc. etc. etc.

Seriously: Would anyone that works in Management at any business that is successful be allowed to keep their job with Congress and the Executive's consistent performance?

F&ck No.

It's unreal how easy it is for the American people to be consistently and totally sidetracked on what they focus their attention on...these politicians have you all down to a T.

Chuck

 

[her209]

isn't that basically medicare part C?

Is it? link

What Does a Medicare Advantage Plan Cover?

In all types of Medicare Advantage Plans, you’re always covered for emergency and urgent care. Medicare Advantage Plans must cover all of the services that Original Medicare covers except hospice care. Original Medicare covers hospice care even if you’re in a Medicare Advantage Plan. Medicare Advantage Plans aren’t supplemental coverage. Medicare Advantage Plans may offer extra coverage, such as vision, hearing, dental, and/or health and wellness programs. Most include Medicare prescription drug coverage (Part D).

 

[werepossum]

Nice chart and they came out with it awfully quick too. Actually, almost a month before Ryan publicly talked of his plan. That's sort of curious.

I present you an article right from the source.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2...ike-to-make-tax-cuts-for-the-rich-affordable/



Reads like an individual looking at everything with a single agenda front and center.

Has anyone got a link for the budget plan the Dem's have come up with? I'd sure like to see the cuts the Dem's proposed for the sake of comparison. Oh wait, we haven't seen Ryan's yet.

This is ThinkProgress - the only question with them is whether they are angling for Western European soft socialism or the kind of hard communism progressives like to insist has never really been tried. Thus we have bullshit articles like this implying that we have given a 15% bonus to rich people because we could give them a 15% tax raise instead.

Just another way of saying that government has gifted you with anything it deigns to not take from you.

 

[ProfJohn]

How is comparing one party's proposal to the other's not fair? Are the numbers incorrect?

I am not sure it is one party's vs. the others.

I think it is one person's vs. another's.

Also, the chart is based on an year old plan. Not sure how it compares to the one he just released. Check out the link in the second post, it is based on a March 2010 PDF.

Maybe things have changed, maybe they haven't. Hard to tell without more details from the current Ryan plan.

 

[boomerang]

I am not sure it is one party's vs. the others.

I think it is one person's vs. another's.

Also, the chart is based on an year old plan. Not sure how it compares to the one he just released. Check out the link in the second post, it is based on a March 2010 PDF.

Maybe things have changed, maybe they haven't. Hard to tell without more details from the current Ryan plan.

Holy shit, I misread it as March 2011. I'll have to edit my post.

 

[yllus]

This is ThinkProgress - the only question with them is whether they are angling for Western European soft socialism or the kind of hard communism progressives like to insist has never really been tried. Thus we have bullshit articles like this implying that we have given a 15% bonus to rich people because we could give them a 15% tax raise instead.

Just another way of saying that government has gifted you with anything it deigns to not take from you.

Actually, to be perfectly accurate, it seems to be implying that you could give a 15% bonus to rich people by raising taxes on everyone who makes less than $127,000.

 

[trenchfoot]

The one persistent and consistent message from the repubs, no matter what proposed/passed legislation or crooked deal or exposed crime or proven lie or debunked campaign promise and deviously worded Rove inspired propaganda message reveals itself, is that given the slightest opportunity, as witnessed from the last election cycle, they will single-mindedly do everything and anything within their power to make the rich ever more powerful and ever more richer.

The latest overt and blatant grab for more riches and power exploiting the depressed economy they themselves created is all the evidence anyone needs for proof.

This budget proposal is just more fuel being thrown on the fire.

The rich and powerful, who made sure they were well-insulated from the financial mess they put our nation in, are making sure our economy stays in a depressed state until they bring our nation back to the glory days of Bush and Cheney when they will truly turn the screws on the middle class and poor and "get it right" this time around.

Just look what the repubs have done so far given the House and a few more governorships. They've made it very clear what their intentions are and how they're exploiting the sad state of the economy that their buddies created to attack the middle class and the poor.

Balance the budget only now that they've managed to practically ruin it given the six year run they had when they could have done it then, but instead drove us so deep down the hole that it'll take us a whole lot longer than that to fix? And now that they've got some power back they're going to "fix" it by making the rich even richer off the backs of the middle class and the poor?

Good plan.....for the select few. Screw everybody else.

 

[ProfJohn]

Actually, to be perfectly accurate, it seems to be implying that you could give a 15% bonus to rich people by raising taxes on everyone who makes less than $127,000.

You understand that we are comparing Ryan's plan to cut taxes to Obama's plan to raise taxes?

We don't really know how much money the rich would save compared to what they pay today because those figures aren't provided.

We're arguing about one failed plan vs. another as if it really maters. It doesn't. Neither plan went into effect and now we have to wait for details of Ryan's new plan before we can talk about something meaningful.

 

[Patranus]

So.....

If they cut 400 billion per year, the budget deficit would still be 600 billion dollars more than it was under GWB.

People don't realize just how big the deficit is.

It was 400 billion (total) and now it is 1.4 trillion.

 

[Patranus]

Just because I saw this on my morning commute, from Matt Yglesias:

Good.

The bottom 47% are not paying anything right now.
They need to broaden the tax base.

 

[PeshakJang]

Nice chart and they came out with it awfully quick too. Actually, almost a month before Ryan publicly talked of his plan. That's sort of curious. Edit: I misread chart to be from March of 2011 when in fact it's from March of 2010. More reason to discount the biased information in the link below.

I present you an article right from the source.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2...ike-to-make-tax-cuts-for-the-rich-affordable/



Reads like an individual looking at everything with a single agenda front and center.

Has anyone got a link for the budget plan the Dem's have come up with? I'd sure like to see the cuts the Dem's proposed for the sake of comparison. Oh wait, we haven't seen Ryan's yet.

No need to try and own liberals anymore, they keep discrediting themselves before the argument even gets going

 

[manimal]

Good, somethings on paper.



Let the masses see where the masters are and who they serve..

 

[dmcowen674]

Paul Ryan will be unvieling the FY2012 budget tomorrow: $4T in cuts

Where were the Republicans when Bush was in power for 8 years?

Oh that's right, spending like drunken sailors.

Fuc#^^$)g hypocrites