Paul Ryan: GOP will defund Planned Parenthood

[Blackjack200]

Please don't boohoo for backwoods honey boo boo, really nobody cares about them, so don't pretend to.

This is the biggest and the worst lie. The backwoods and flyover people have always been included in the social programs pushed by the left. The problem is that the same left had the gall to include everyone else in those programs, which mean the wrong kind of people also got them.

 

[Jhhnn]

And nothing I said to do would change that. If an abortion clinic can't operate in a rural areas without being able to provide health services, then fuck them. They weren't democratic constituents anyways. The end effect would be the same health services to everybody, and spun-off abortion services to the metropolitan areas that have enough population to support them.

Please don't boohoo for backwoods honey boo boo, really nobody cares about them, so don't pretend to.

Yeh, that's why predominately blue states willingly subsidize predominately red states in a myriad of ways- because Dems are oh so partisan.

From a Dem perspective, abortion services are just part of comprehensive health care for everybody.

 

[fskimospy]

This is the biggest and the worst lie. The backwoods and flyover people have always been included in the social programs pushed by the left. The problem is that the same left had the gall to include everyone else in those programs, which mean the wrong kind of people also got them.

I'm similarly baffled by these claims but conservatives make them CONSTANTLY. If the coastal liberals hate/don't care about people in the backwoods and flyover country then why do they so consistently vote to spend millions/billions of their own tax dollars to help them? Conservatives TALK a good game about caring about rural voters but liberals are the ones who actually DO something to help.

 

[momeNt]

Why willingly subsidize predominantly red states or predominately red districts when city poverty rates, and ESPECIALLY minority city poverty rates, are above state averages? Please explain to me how that is not stupid.

I guess the strong pushback to my idea of actually focusing on dense areas of poverty to have more effective clinics is something that is not an active concern for most people?

 

[fskimospy]

Why willingly subsidize predominantly red states or predominately red districts when city poverty rates, and ESPECIALLY minority city poverty rates, are above state averages? Please explain to me how that is not stupid.

I guess the strong pushback to my idea of actually focusing on dense areas of poverty to have more effective clinics is something that is not an active concern for most people?

Basically because there's always a balance between efficiency and equity. From a purely efficiency based standpoint we should cut rural areas off altogether (for the most part) as they aren't economically efficient and we waste a lot of resources on them. From an equity standpoint though, everyone's a citizen of the US and since we're not going to tell people where they have to live we have an obligation to provide at least some basic level of service.

Also the most impoverished areas in the country are actually rural, not the inner cities.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Nothing will prevent abortions more than getting rid of many women's primary source of contraceptive access. Think the estimates are, what, over 500,000 unintended pregnancies averted each year due to their services. What could possibly go wrong here?

 

[Puffnstuff]

If they want more money take the tax free status away from churches who are pushing this stuff.

 

[Blackjack200]

They're an easy mark. Look at the outrage over "welfare queens", poor people that have refrigerators and TVs. Obamaphones. The guy in front of me at the supermarket was buying STEAAKK with his EBT card. You see that shit on these forums all the time.

There is absolutely incredible hatred for the poor. Enough hatred that they will vote for people who promise to take that stuff away even if it means their own Medicare, SS, or other benefits are impacted. That's why I keep trying to tell the people convinced that Trump's supporters will turn on him when he fucks up ACA, SS, or Medicare.

They. Do. Not. Give. A. Shit.

 

[momeNt]

Basically because there's always a balance between efficiency and equity. From a purely efficiency based standpoint we should cut rural areas off altogether (for the most part) as they aren't economically efficient and we waste a lot of resources on them. From an equity standpoint though, everyone's a citizen of the US and since we're not going to tell people where they have to live we have an obligation to provide at least some basic level of service.

Also the most impoverished areas in the country are actually rural, not the inner cities.

If you take the poverty rate yes. Some data I can see is non-metro poverty rate is 18% vs 15% metro. Except our country is 86% metro....

This is all besides the point. Planned parenthood already states it conducts abortions without medicaid funding, so we know for a fact that access can be provided by spun-off abortion clinics pretty much without a hitch.

 

[fskimospy]

If you take the poverty rate yes. Some data I can see is non-metro poverty rate is 18% vs 15% metro. Except our country is 86% metro....

Not just the rate but the depth of poverty as well. Some rural areas are just insanely poor.

This is all besides the point. Planned parenthood already states it conducts abortions without medicaid funding, so we know for a fact that access can be provided by spun-off abortion clinics pretty much without a hitch.

We definitely, DEFINITELY don't know that. While abortions are done without medicaid funding they still utilize the same doctors, facilities, etc. If you spin off into separate abortion clinics you're going to have to replicate that support which would be hugely expensive.

 

[Sonikku]

Repubs are like ABORTION ABORTION ABORTION when it's like 3% of what planned parenthood does. Politics today are just a series of distractions and smoke screens for the public while elite dictate the real policy behind closed doors and secret meetings.

 

[momeNt]

Not just the rate but the depth of poverty as well. Some rural areas are just insanely poor.



We definitely, DEFINITELY don't know that. While abortions are done without medicaid funding they still utilize the same doctors, facilities, etc. If you spin off into separate abortion clinics you're going to have to replicate that support which would be hugely expensive.

Not necessarily, a lot of clinics are closed on some days, and open in another location on others. A single doctor covers 2-3 locations that way. That's a loophole that would take a while to close, and probably never, restricting employment to just 1 location if you are a health care worker that provides or works at a medicaid funded clinic? A doctor can't perform medicaid procedures if they are performing abortions? It would be impossible.

 

[Roflmouth]

Nothing will prevent abortions more than getting rid of many women's primary source of contraceptive access. Think the estimates are, what, over 500,000 unintended pregnancies averted each year due to their services. What could possibly go wrong here?

Yes, that $9/month birth control pill bill will be a real hardship for exactly no one.

 

[uallas5]

Not necessarily, a lot of clinics are closed on some days, and open in another location on others. A single doctor covers 2-3 locations that way. That's a loophole that would take a while to close, and probably never, restricting employment to just 1 location if you are a health care worker that provides or works at a medicaid funded clinic? A doctor can't perform medicaid procedures if they are performing abortions? It would be impossible.

Then the next thing they do would banish Medicaid funding to any institution that in any way physically houses any practice or person who performs abortions or something like that.

 

[PokerGuy]

There's a good argument that would be a bill of attainder, which is unconstitutional. Basically, you aren't allowed to pass laws that specifically target one group for punishment instead of making generally applicable laws. In this case they would be saying that no federal funds could go to one organization specifically and a prohibition of access to any federal funds is definitely going to be considered a punishment. It's basically there to keep the legislature from doing an end run on the courts. If it weren't for prohibitions on bills of attainder then if Congress really hated you for example they could pass the 'send Pokerguy to jail' bill even if you hadn't done anything wrong.

If they are smart and want to avoid a battle in the courts they will probably just pass a bill that prohibits Medicaid funding to any organization that performs abortions or something to that effect. It will accomplish the same thing but avoid any possible constitutional problems.

Thanks for the explanation, I learned something new today.

 

[Blackjack200]

Yes, that $9/month birth control pill bill will be a real hardship for exactly no one.

Look at the resentment here. If something is expensive, it's wasteful. If it's efficient, no one needs it because they can just pay for it themselves.

 

[Jhhnn]

If you take the poverty rate yes. Some data I can see is non-metro poverty rate is 18% vs 15% metro. Except our country is 86% metro....

This is all besides the point. Planned parenthood already states it conducts abortions without medicaid funding, so we know for a fact that access can be provided by spun-off abortion clinics pretty much without a hitch.

No we don't. Utilization rates in sparsely populated areas would be so low that they couldn't pay the rent.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Yes, that $9/month birth control pill bill will be a real hardship for exactly no one.

Yup. Just walk up to the counter of your local Walmart and make your pick of birth control pills. Nothing else at all needed in that process.....

 

[Thebobo]

Why would it backfire? America wants this.

Not the majority of Americans.

Poll: Most Americans Oppose Defunding Planned Parenthood

 

[Sonikku]

Too bad for them they live in a democracy where the side with fewer votes wins.

 

[momeNt]

Too bad for them they live in a democracy where the side with fewer votes wins.

Not this again.

 

[momeNt]

Yup. Just walk up to the counter of your local Walmart and make your pick of birth control pills. Nothing else at all needed in that process.....

Medical industrial complex has their dirty paws all over a lot of pills that could be over the counter. Common sense pharmaceutical reform is something sorely needed.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Medical industrial complex has their dirty paws all over a lot of pills that could be over the counter. Common sense pharmaceutical reform is something sorely needed.

There are real potential complications from birth control pills which is why they need medical consultation. Point is the posters dismissive attitude is incorrect and the blanket defunding of PP has the potential to have major consequences across the country.

 

[momeNt]

There are real potential complications from birth control pills which is why they need medical consultation. Point is the posters dismissive attitude is incorrect and the blanket defunding of PP has the potential to have major consequences across the country.

I'm pretty sure a 10 question vending machine could handle dispensing birth control. Or at least 99% of birth control users.

 

[Blackjack200]

I'm pretty sure a 10 question vending machine could handle dispensing birth control. Or at least 99% of birth control users.

Maybe a robotic arm to jam the IUD in there.