Paul Krugman Wins 2008 Nobel for Economics

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The guy can be a political animal of sorts. But he's one smart dude!

Not sure I agree with his stance on the Lehman bankruptcy. I think he said it was a mistake to let them go under. Not sure.
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
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The guy can be a political animal of sorts. But he's one smart dude!

Not sure I agree with his stance on the Lehman bankruptcy. I think he said it was a mistake to let them go under. Not sure.

:thumbsup:

My favorite economist!

Congrats Paul!

 

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
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The guy can be a political animal of sorts. But he's one smart dude!

Not sure I agree with his stance on the Lehman bankruptcy. I think he said it was a mistake to let them go under. Not sure.

I actually agree with Krugman here. When Lehman was allowed to collapse, that broke the chain link of the derivatives that Lehman was a part of.

Now that they have seen that there is about 340 billion dollars of 'losses' that some other institutions have to pay out now, it will be interesting to see who those end up to be. I wish I had a list.
 

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Exactly. They sacrificed Lehman as a test case. When they saw how much damage it caused the financial system, they promptly bailed out AIG and arranged for WaMu to be bought by JPM.

Just a bitter ex-Lehman employee... :| (although I left 6 mos ago)
 

Craig234

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Cut and paste from my thread when I missed this one:

The first person I've looked to for analysis on economic issues is Paul Krugman.

He's a strong critic of Bush and right-wing economic policies, and a proponent of progressive policies.

He's done much to debunk many of the myths and errors of the right on econmics.

Congratulations to him for winning the Nobel Prize for 2008 in Economics.

I'd suggest this event get some people, especially on the right, to check out his writings.

His "The Conscience of a Liberal" would be a great pick.

On his book earlier this decade, "The Return of Depression Economics", a Publishers Weekly review said:

...confident assertions of happy globalizers and bullish day traders notwithstanding, a great depression could happen again. Depression economics is back, he argues, meaning that for the first time in two generations, failures on the demand side of the economy... have become the clear and present limitation on prosperity for a large part of the world. Whether discussing the currency collapse in Indonesia, the travails of Brazil and Russia (and how theyre related) or the failure of hedge funds such as Long Term Capital Management, Krugman writes with invigorating lucidity and forceful opinion. Now as in the 1930s, however, one cannot defend globalization merely by repeating free-market mantras, even as economy after economy crashes. If his message is dire, his tone is light, almost jaunty as he calls supply-side economics a crank doctrine and ably articulates a Keynsian willingness to regulate markets in order to stabilize economies and minimize human suffering.

What an important message for our world today, when economics has so much relevance to the well being of the human race, but is so little understood and so much abused.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: brencat
Exactly. They sacrificed Lehman as a test case. When they saw how much damage it caused the financial system, they promptly bailed out AIG and arranged for WaMu to be bought by JPM.

Just a bitter ex-Lehman employee... :| (although I left 6 mos ago)

Or, Goldman Sachs CEO Paulson got rid of Goldman Sachs competitor Lehman, but prevented the bankruptcy of AIG that would have cost Goldman Sachs $20B, a decision reportedly made while the current CEO sat in his office. It's hard to know the motive, since you can speculate either way.
 

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Guys, don't be fooled by the Nobel prize in economics. Its actually the Bank of Sweden that gives out this prize and like any central bank their intention is to nominate economists that still have ties to Keynesian economics.
 

nageov3t

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on the pages with worthless hacks like, well... almost every other NYT regular columnist, I actually look forward to reading Krugman's columns.

could have sworn he already won a nobel for economics, though.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: loki8481
on the pages with worthless hacks like, well... almost every other NYT regular columnist, I actually look forward to reading Krugman's columns.

could have sworn he already won a nobel for economics, though.

Not all the rest are hacks, but I agree that Krugman is the best and I read him regulary.

 

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Paul Krugman is awesome:
He has come out forcefully against John McCain during the economic meltdown, saying the Republican candidate is ?more frightening now than he was a few weeks ago? and earlier that the GOP has become ?the party of stupid.?
 

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Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
Guys, don't be fooled by the Nobel prize in economics. Its actually the Bank of Sweden that gives out this prize and like any central bank their intention is to nominate economists that still have ties to Keynesian economics.

Yeah, because supply-side has worked GREAT for us for the last 30 years.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
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The guy can be a political animal of sorts. But he's one smart dude!

Not sure I agree with his stance on the Lehman bankruptcy. I think he said it was a mistake to let them go under. Not sure.

lol wtf he's the worst mainstream talking head economist out there. He's the worst kind too. But we know Nobel awards to people like Arafat, and nominate Hitler.

On the Lehman bk, on the outside it made no sense to let Lehman go bk, but "rescue" everyone else. It's plausible that they did it to send a message that they will be letting the really really bad banks go away.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: loki8481
on the pages with worthless hacks like, well... almost every other NYT regular columnist, I actually look forward to reading Krugman's columns.

could have sworn he already won a nobel for economics, though.

Not all the rest are hacks, but I agree that Krugman is the best and I read him regulary.

mostly I think of Dowd, Rich, and Kristol when I think of the hacks... Bob Herbert a little bit too, but I stopped reading african american columnists writing about the election during the primaries.

but mostly Dowd... I don't get how someone who spends so many words saying so little could get paid so much.
 

NeoV

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putting Krugman and Kristol in the same paragraph is an insult to paragraphs

Kristol is the definition of a partisan hack

"Palin isn't qualified" - then, after she's picked to be VP - "Experience is overrated, great pick"
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: loki8481
on the pages with worthless hacks like, well... almost every other NYT regular columnist, I actually look forward to reading Krugman's columns.

could have sworn he already won a nobel for economics, though.

Not all the rest are hacks, but I agree that Krugman is the best and I read him regulary.

mostly I think of Dowd, Rich, and Kristol when I think of the hacks... Bob Herbert a little bit too, but I stopped reading african american columnists writing about the election during the primaries.

but mostly Dowd... I don't get how someone who spends so many words saying so little could get paid so much.

The worst newspaper column I've ever read was her most recent one - written half in Latin.
 

alchemize

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LOL I just knew something stunk on this one.

Partisans, feel free to correct me, but this is all based on his work about oh 15-20 years ago?

He hasn't been an economist for years and is nothing more than a political commentator now.
 

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I have to concur. I don't read krugman regularly any more since the NYT decided to charge for access to editorials Now that times select is dead I still can't be bothered to read them regularly. But Krugman is good and Maureen Dowd is a waste of flesh and ink.
 
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Originally posted by: alchemize
LOL I just knew something stunk on this one.

Partisans, feel free to correct me, but this is all based on his work about oh 15-20 years ago?

He hasn't been an economist for years and is nothing more than a political commentator now.

That's not at all uncommon in the world of Nobel prizes. Theories are confirmed, ideas become mainstream over time. Sometimes it's difficult to recognise someone's genius without the benefit of hindsight.
 

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: alchemize
LOL I just knew something stunk on this one.

Partisans, feel free to correct me, but this is all based on his work about oh 15-20 years ago?

He hasn't been an economist for years and is nothing more than a political commentator now.

That's not at all uncommon in the world of Nobel prizes. Theories are confirmed, ideas become mainstream over time. Sometimes it's difficult to recognise someone's genius without the benefit of hindsight.

He has been active in economics and is currently a professor of economics at Princeton. He has published a lot of papers - there's a whole list out there somewhere - but he has become an author of economic issues with books targeted towards serious economists as well as lay people. I suggest reading The Conscience of a Liberal to understand how he takes economics theories and explains them in plain English.

I've highlighted his works in the last 7-8 years - taken from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman

Authored or coauthored

* The Conscience of a Liberal (October 2007) (ISBN 978-0393060690).
* Economics: European Edition (with Robin Wells and Kathryn Graddy, Spring 2007) (ISBN 0-7167-9956-1).
* Macroeconomics (with Robin Wells, February 2006) (ISBN 0-7167-6763-5). Also available with student CDR (March 2006) (ISBN 0-7167-6767-8).
* Economics (with Robin Wells, December 2005) (ISBN 1-57259-150-1)
* Krugman Wall Street Journal Sub Card (May 5, 2005) (ISBN 0-7167-6697-3)
* Microeconomics (with Robin Wells, March 2004) (ISBN 0-7167-5997-7). Also available with student CDR (with Robin Wells, November 2004) (ISBN 0-7167-6700-7) or with study guide (with Robin Wells, December 2004) (ISBN 0-7167-6699-X).
* The Great Unraveling: Losing Our Way in the New Century (September 2003) (ISBN 0-393-05850-6)
o A book of his New York Times columns, many of them dealing with Bush economic policies, some dealing with the economy in general.
* International Economics: Theory and Policy (7th Edition) (2006) (ISBN 0-321-29383-5)
* The New Trade Agenda (Foreign Affairs Editors' Choice) (December 2001) (ISBN 0-87609-302-0)
* Fuzzy Math: The Essential Guide to the Bush Tax Plan (May 4, 2001) (ISBN 0-393-05062-9)
* The Spatial Economy - Cities, Regions and International Trade (with Masahisa Fujita, Anthony Venables) July 1999, MIT press ISBN 0262062046
* The Return of Depression Economics (May 1999) (ISBN 0-393-04839-X)
o Considers the long economic stagnation of Japan through the 1990s, the Asian financial crisis, and problems in Latin America.
* The Accidental Theorist and Other Dispatches from the Dismal Science (May 1, 1998) (ISBN 0-393-04638-9)
o A collection of Krugman's articles for various publications regarding the economy.
* International Economics (March 1998) (ISBN 0-673-52186-9)
* The Age of Diminished Expectations, Third Edition (August 8, 1997) (ISBN 0-262-11224-8)
* Competitiveness (January 1, 1997)
* Pop Internationalism (March 1, 1996a) (ISBN 0262112108)
* Self Organizing Economy (February 1, 1996b) (ISBN 087609177X)
* Emu and the Regions (December 1995) (ISBN 1567080383)
* Development, Geography, and Economic Theory (Ohlin Lectures) (September 15, 1995) (ISBN 0-262-11203-5)
* Peddling Prosperity: Economic Sense and Nonsense in an Age of Diminished Expectations (April 1, 1995) (ISBN 0393312925)
o History of economic thought from the first rumblings of revolt against Keynesian economics to the present, for the layman.
* Foreign Direct Investment in the United States (3rd Edition) (February 1, 1995) (ISBN 0-88132-204-0)
* World Savings Shortage (September 1, 1994) (ISBN 0881321613)
* What Do We Need to Know About the International Monetary System? (Essays in International Finance, No 190 July 1993) (ISBN 0881650978)
* Currencies and Crises (June 11, 1992) (ISBN 0-262-11165-9)
* Geography and Trade (Gaston Eyskens Lecture Series) (August 1991) (ISBN 0-262-11159-4)
* The Risks Facing the World Economy (July 1991) (ISBN 1-56708-073-1)
* Has the Adjustment Process Worked? (Policy Analyses in International Economics, 34) (June 1, 1991) (ISBN 0-88132-116-8)
* Rethinking International Trade (April 1, 1990) (ISBN 0-262-11148-9)
* Trade Policy and Market Structure (March 30, 1989) (ISBN 0-262-08182-2)
* Exchange-Rate Instability (Lionel Robbins Lectures) (November 2, 1988) (ISBN 0-262-11140-3)
* Adjustment in the World Economy (August 1987) (ISBN 1-56708-023-5)
* Strategic Trade Policy and the New International Economics (January 1986) (ISBN 0-262-11112-8)
* Market Structure and Foreign Trade: Increasing Returns, Imperfect Competition, and the International Economy (May 1985) (ISBN 0262081504)
* The Theory of Interstellar Trade (1978)

Edited or coedited

* Currency Crises (National Bureau of Economic Research Conference Report) (September, 2000) ISBN 0226454622
* Trade with Japan : Has the Door Opened Wider? (National Bureau of Economic Research Project Report) (March 1995) ISBN 0226454592
* Empirical Studies of Strategic Trade Policy (National Bureau of Economic Research Project Report) (April, 1994) ISBN 0226454606
* Exchange Rate Targets and Currency Bands (October 1991) ISBN 0521415330

 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: alchemize
LOL I just knew something stunk on this one.

Partisans, feel free to correct me, but this is all based on his work about oh 15-20 years ago?

He hasn't been an economist for years and is nothing more than a political commentator now.

That's not at all uncommon in the world of Nobel prizes. Theories are confirmed, ideas become mainstream over time. Sometimes it's difficult to recognise someone's genius without the benefit of hindsight.
I think that's a plausible explanation, are there other modern examples?

 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: alchemize
LOL I just knew something stunk on this one.

Partisans, feel free to correct me, but this is all based on his work about oh 15-20 years ago?

He hasn't been an economist for years and is nothing more than a political commentator now.

my understanding is that he still actively writes academic economist works separately from his writings as a columnist.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: alchemize
LOL I just knew something stunk on this one.

Partisans, feel free to correct me, but this is all based on his work about oh 15-20 years ago?

He hasn't been an economist for years and is nothing more than a political commentator now.

my understanding is that he still actively writes academic economist works separately from his writings as a columnist.
I'm basing this on the actual text of the "scientific background" document:

PDF

I stand corrected, he's an economics teacher AND a political commentator. The left pays it's partisans less, have to hold down 2 jobs ;)
 

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Here is the comment on this issue from the Wall Street Journal.
"Many academic economists said it has always been a question of when Mr. Krugman would win a Nobel rather than if he would win it."
http://online.wsj.com/article/...309.html?mod=djemalert

Originally posted by: alchemize
LOL I just knew something stunk on this one.

Partisans, feel free to correct me, but this is all based on his work about oh 15-20 years ago?

He hasn't been an economist for years and is nothing more than a political commentator now.