Paul Krugman does not like the new Obama asset plan

ProfJohn

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Two posts on Krugman's blog follow.

When one of Obama's biggest fans starts to question him it is a bad sign.
This isn't some NationalReview writer or right wing talking head. This is one of the best known and perhaps respected liberal voices in the country.

I don't know what the solution to our bank problem is, and it seems that Obama doesn't either.

Maybe he should push some pro-business policies and wait for the economy to fix itself. But considering the fact that Obama comes from the 'big business=bad business' crowd I don't think we will ever see that.
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Despair over financial policy
The Geithner plan has now been leaked in detail. It?s exactly the plan that was widely analyzed ? and found wanting ? a couple of weeks ago. The zombie ideas have won.

The Obama administration is now completely wedded to the idea that there?s nothing fundamentally wrong with the financial system ? that what we?re facing is the equivalent of a run on an essentially sound bank. As Tim Duy put it, there are no bad assets, only misunderstood assets. And if we get investors to understand that toxic waste is really, truly worth much more than anyone is willing to pay for it, all our problems will be solved.
To this end the plan proposes to create funds in which private investors put in a small amount of their own money, and in return get large, non-recourse loans from the taxpayer, with which to buy bad ? I mean misunderstood ? assets. This is supposed to lead to fair prices because the funds will engage in competitive bidding.

But it?s immediately obvious, if you think about it, that these funds will have skewed incentives. In effect, Treasury will be creating ? deliberately! ? the functional equivalent of Texas S&Ls in the 1980s: financial operations with very little capital but lots of government-guaranteed liabilities. For the private investors, this is an open invitation to play heads I win, tails the taxpayers lose. So sure, these investors will be ready to pay high prices for toxic waste. After all, the stuff might be worth something; and if it isn?t, that?s someone else?s problem.

Or to put it another way, Treasury has decided that what we have is nothing but a confidence problem, which it proposes to cure by creating massive moral hazard.

This plan will produce big gains for banks that didn?t actually need any help; it will, however, do little to reassure the public about banks that are seriously undercapitalized. And I fear that when the plan fails, as it almost surely will, the administration will have shot its bolt: it won?t be able to come back to Congress for a plan that might actually work.

What an awful mess.
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More on the bank plan
Why was I so quick to condemn the Geithner plan? Because it?s not new; it?s just another version of an idea that keeps coming up and keeps being refuted. It?s basically a thinly disguised version of the same plan Henry Paulson announced way back in September. To understand the issue, let me offer some background.


Start with the question: how do banks fail? A bank, broadly defined, is any institution that borrows short and lends long. Like any leveraged investor, a bank can fail if it has made bad investments ? if the value of its assets falls below the value of its liabilities, bye bye bank.

But banks can also fail even if they haven?t been bad investors: if, for some reason, many of those they?ve borrowed from (e.g., but not only, depositors) demand their money back at once, the bank can be forced to sell assets at fire sale prices, so that assets that would have been worth more than liabilities in normal conditions end up not being enough to cover the bank?s debts. And this opens up the possibility of a self-fulfilling panic: people may demand their money back, not because they think the bank has made bad investments, but simply because they think other people will demand their money back.

Bank runs can be contagious; partly that?s for psychological reasons, partly because banks tend to invest in similar assets, so one bank?s fire sale depresses another bank?s net worth.

So now we have a bank crisis. Is it the result of fundamentally bad investment, or is it because of a self-fulfilling panic?

If you think it?s just a panic, then the government can pull a magic trick: by stepping in to buy the assets banks are selling, it can make banks look solvent again, and end the run. Yippee! And sometimes that really does work.

But if you think that the banks really, really have made lousy investments, this won?t work at all; it will simply be a waste of taxpayer money. To keep the banks operating, you need to provide a real backstop ? you need to guarantee their debts, and seize ownership of those banks that don?t have enough assets to cover their debts; that?s the Swedish solution, it?s what we eventually did with our own S&Ls.

Now, early on in this crisis, it was possible to argue that it was mainly a panic. But at this point, that?s an indefensible position. Banks and other highly leveraged institutions collectively made a huge bet that the normal rules for house prices and sustainable levels of consumer debt no longer applied; they were wrong. Time for a Swedish solution.

But Treasury is still clinging to the idea that this is just a panic attack, and that all it needs to do is calm the markets by buying up a bunch of troubled assets. Actually, that?s not quite it: the Obama administration has apparently made the judgment that there would be a public outcry if it announced a straightforward plan along these lines, so it has produced what Yves Smith calls ?a lot of bells and whistles to finesse the fact that the government will wind up paying well above market for [I don't think I can finish this on a Times blog]?

Why am I so vehement about this? Because I?m afraid that this will be the administration?s only shot ? that if the first bank plan is an abject failure, it won?t have the political capital for a second. So it?s just horrifying that Obama ? and yes, the buck stops there ? has decided to base his financial plan on the fantasy that a bit of financial hocus-pocus will turn the clock back to 2006.
 

nageov3t

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hasn't Krugman been saying that he thinks the plan is too small for months?

I'm sure the GOP doesn't agree with *that* part of his criticism. heh.
 

fskimospy

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Krugman has been criticizing Obama's plans from the beginning. Pro-Jo, what do you do when you aren't copy/pasting these stories? Do you even read up on the topics?
 

winnar111

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Nice to see some dog eat dog friendly fire from the New York Times and other Democratic Party subsidiaries.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: loki8481
hasn't Krugman been saying that he thinks the plan is too small for months?

I'm sure the GOP doesn't agree with *that* part of his criticism. heh.

Republicans wanted to dot he SnL style bailout months ago.
 

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If you just found this out all that shows is that you don't read much, Krugman has been calling for nationalization since day 1. I guess this makes sense though, considering the OP didn't think the economy was in recession just 3 weeks before the collapse last September. :laugh:
 

ericlp

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Well, I'd like hear the professors plan... That ought to be rich...
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Who the hell is Paul Krugman? Is he some ron paul fanatic?

uh, a Nobel Prize-winning economist who teaches economics at Princeton and has a column in the NYT.

or was that sarcasm?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: loki8481
hasn't Krugman been saying that he thinks the plan is too small for months?

I'm sure the GOP doesn't agree with *that* part of his criticism. heh.

Yup, he propose >$2trillion in stimulus. I think he's more likely to be correct about it, but Politically that kind of action is near impossible.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama should fire Bernanke and replace him with Krugman.

:laugh:

Yeah, then all the hyperinflation predictions may come true. :p
 

zephyrprime

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The problem is, the troubled assets just aren't worth very much. So far, of the $450B in CDOs created from 2005-2007, $305B are in default and $102B of that have already liquidated. The key question is WHAT IS THE RECOVERY RATE? About 23 cents on the dollar. Banks can't suffer those levels of writedowns. The government will have to over pay for the toxic assets to keep banks solvent and then the citizen will be on the hook for the losses. I hope it's obvious to everyone that Geithner is an agent of the banks. His job is to get the banks as much money as possible from the public till.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2970...58.html?nclick_check=1

The only solution is total nationalization. Cramdowns of debt. Inflation.
 

imported_K3N

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Oh yeah baby, now i'll get know what it was like living under President Jimmy Carter :), i'm a survivor YO!!!
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama should fire Bernanke and replace him with Krugman.

krugman normally isn't a banking type due imo.

anyways personally i tend to agree with him here, i think the best plan is to right off the asset losses, and recapitalize with government funds if need be. Personally i think that woudl not only be cheaper (i'm still optimistic about the government breaking even or pulling out a profit on tarp) but limit the moral hazard and other downsides.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: K3N
Oh yeah baby, now i'll get know what it was like living under President Jimmy Carter :), i'm a survivor YO!!!

well, hopefully we'll have good music again at least ;)
 
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Originally posted by: zephyrprime
The problem is, the troubled assets just aren't worth very much. So far, of the $450B in CDOs created from 2005-2007, $305B are in default and $102B of that have already liquidated. The key question is WHAT IS THE RECOVERY RATE? About 23 cents on the dollar. Banks can't suffer those levels of writedowns. The government will have to over pay for the toxic assets to keep banks solvent and then the citizen will be on the hook for the losses. I hope it's obvious to everyone that Geithner is an agent of the banks. His job is to get the banks as much money as possible from the public till.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2970...58.html?nclick_check=1

The only solution is total nationalization. Cramdowns of debt. Inflation.

If there's one group the Fed looks out for it's the banks.

Great links Prof John. He takes it much deeper, but the fact is there is an oversupply of houses at an inflated price; and that price WILL come down in the long run, or salaries WILL increase to match the higher cost of owning a home. They're telling us by buying some of these they will create demand and save the value of the houses. The government might as well buy up GM cars and park them in a lot to rot. You can't create wealth through government spending. Yes there is excess supply, but simply taking some of the houses off the market for a time will not solve the problem, there must be a correction.
 

Craig234

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Predictably, I can't recall PJ praising or agreeing with a word of hundreds of Krugman columns and his books and many times I[ve cited him, but disagree with Obama, ok.

I lean towards siding with Krugman here. I've cited him before as someone I listen to, and that's still the case. Perhaps Krugman can have some influence.

I've posted before that Obama's finance appointments are somewhat alarming and the test will be in the policies - Krugman gives us an early answer on the direction.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Two posts on Krugman's blog follow.

When one of Obama's biggest fans starts to question him it is a bad sign.
This isn't some NationalReview writer or right wing talking head. This is one of the best known and perhaps respected liberal voices in the country.

I don't know what the solution to our bank problem is, and it seems that Obama doesn't either.

Maybe he should push some pro-business policies and wait for the economy to fix itself. But considering the fact that Obama comes from the 'big business=bad business' crowd I don't think we will ever see that.

Thats worked out so well over the last 8 years :confused:
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Two posts on Krugman's blog follow.

When one of Obama's biggest fans starts to question him it is a bad sign.
This isn't some NationalReview writer or right wing talking head. This is one of the best known and perhaps respected liberal voices in the country.

I don't know what the solution to our bank problem is, and it seems that Obama doesn't either.

Maybe he should push some pro-business policies and wait for the economy to fix itself. But considering the fact that Obama comes from the 'big business=bad business' crowd I don't think we will ever see that.

Thats worked out so well over the last 8 years :confused:

Even his phrasing 'pro-business' is propagandistic. I guess relaxing the regulation on credit default swaps was 'pro-business'. Ya, right. I'd say liberal policies are 'pro-business'.
 

Lemon law

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Krugman may be trained in economics, but his profession is and remains journalistic. And as a journalist, he is not required to be consistent, he does not have to make policy, cat herd other politicians, or anything other than scrawl forth an occasional couple thousand words and call it a day.

Obama on the other hand has to have a plan, be consistent, does have to cat herd other politicians, and worse yet, Obama is more or less stuck with trying to make the Hank the crank Paulson plan be part of his consistency plan. And even at this late date, I very much wonder if anyone knows how to toxic some of these assets are, how deep the mess is, and not getting treasury staffed up is not helping.

But I do have to point out non Prof John took one cheap shot Obama did not deserve, for a President who PJ alleges thinks big business=bad business, all I can say is that Obama is doing anything but that, bending over backward to save banks that should be flushed down the toilet, and not jailing the crooks that ran them into the ground.
 

nageov3t

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Krugman may be trained in economics, but his profession is and remains journalistic.

uh, not really... he was a PhD in econ and teaching at some of the top schools in the world along with being an accomplished economist in his own right long before he started up is column at the Times and his position on the Obama plan has been pretty consistent.
 

Carmen813

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Krugman may not like the plan, but it appears the markets do. Up 250 right now. Should be an interesting week.
 

zephyrprime

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Obama on the other hand has to have a plan, be consistent, does have to cat herd other politicians, and worse yet, Obama is more or less stuck with trying to make the Hank the crank Paulson plan be part of his consistency plan. And even at this late date, I very much wonder if anyone knows how to toxic some of these assets are, how deep the mess is, and not getting treasury staffed up is not helping.

Paulson changed course on his own plans three times during his reign. Since paulson was not consistant, I don't see why obama would have to be.