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Patriotism in America

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Originally posted by: glorifiedg790
you are wrong. you are an asshole. go ahead respond to this and say I am immature. Sometimes the simplest things are the truest.
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what "simple" thing? all you have said is baseless rhetoric. why you think this? you made the thread. Let's hear it.
 
all things bush has done/hasnt done aside, anyone who thinks that unquestioned support of the leaders of the country is equatable with patriotism has a skewed view of patriotism.

as stated this country was formed so that those in charge were forced to answer to the people. thats why we have elections every 4 years: to decide if we still like who is already doing it. if not liking the current president is unpatriotic by default, then i guess we are a pretty unpatriotic country when you look back at all the times someone got voted out after only 1 term. we get to choose every 4 years in case we dont like what the guy in the white house is doing so by saying disliking what the administration is doing is equatable with being unpatriotic... well i just cannot agree in the slightest.
 
Originally posted by: gordanfreeman
all things bush has done/hasnt done aside, anyone who thinks that unquestioned support of the leaders of the country is equatable with patriotism has a skewed view of patriotism.

as stated this country was formed so that those in charge were forced to answer to the people. thats why we have elections every 4 years: to decide if we still like who is already doing it. if not liking the current president is unpatriotic by default, then i guess we are a pretty unpatriotic country when you look back at all the times someone got voted out after only 1 term. we get to choose every 4 years in case we dont like what the guy in the white house is doing so by saying disliking what the administration is doing is equatable with being unpatriotic... well i just cannot agree in the slightest.
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I do not have unquestioned support. You are just repeating what others have said. Last I checked Bush got more votes out of any other election in history.

 
Originally posted by: glorifiedg790
Originally posted by: gordanfreeman
all things bush has done/hasnt done aside, anyone who thinks that unquestioned support of the leaders of the country is equatable with patriotism has a skewed view of patriotism.

as stated this country was formed so that those in charge were forced to answer to the people. thats why we have elections every 4 years: to decide if we still like who is already doing it. if not liking the current president is unpatriotic by default, then i guess we are a pretty unpatriotic country when you look back at all the times someone got voted out after only 1 term. we get to choose every 4 years in case we dont like what the guy in the white house is doing so by saying disliking what the administration is doing is equatable with being unpatriotic... well i just cannot agree in the slightest.
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I do not have unquestioned support. You are just repeating what others have said. Last I checked Bush got more votes out of any other election in history.
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so who is the ignorant majority then? the people who voted for bush?
I agree :thumbsup:
 
I like him because i think he is a good president. Simple as that. You continue to beat around the truth even when talking about truth. I do not care to hear why you dont like him because it is either lies or bullshit. You pick. I already posted. My post was not about why I llike him. It was about patriotism. Which was already destroyed by talking about it. Now please refer to what I have already quoted 2 times now.
 
There are times when people feel they have to choose between the best interests of their country, and their leader. In that case people who side with their country would be acting as patriots if. If they side with their leader against the best interest of the people of their country, they aren't patriotic.
 
So, you posted to start sh1t and could care less about fact since your reasoning about truth is faith-based.
If it quacks like a neocon and it walks like one......it must be a bush supporter!
 
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
There are times when people feel they have to choose between the best interests of their country, and their leader. In that case people who side with their country would be acting as patriots if. If they side with their leader against the best interest of the people of their country, they aren't patriotic.
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That is why steeplerot and I keep talking. There is dispute over our leader's decisions and because I disagree steeplerot keeps posting. Man I wish she would shut up. Nice to see someone else post.
 
Originally posted by: glorifiedg790
You still havent stated ur beliefs and why you belive them. Bill O'Reilly....lol. Sorry I called you an idiot. I really am.
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so where else would you get this warped view?
It stinks of another cable-tv fed right-winger troll, who were you before the ban?
 
Originally posted by: glorifiedg790
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
There are times when people feel they have to choose between the best interests of their country, and their leader. In that case people who side with their country would be acting as patriots if. If they side with their leader against the best interest of the people of their country, they aren't patriotic.
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That is why steeplerot and I keep talking. There is dispute over our leader's decisions and because I disagree steeplerot keeps posting. Man I wish she would shut up. Nice to see someone else post.
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ummmm, he basiclly agreed with me, your really not that with it today are you?
*passes over big cup 'o coffee*
 
Tying patriotism to almost unconditional devotion to the president, despite his MANY faults, is why this country is fvcked.
 
No, you posted to start shit. I posted my thoughts. Would you shut up about truth ok. Just because I like Bush and he happens to be religious does not mean I link him with truth. I only think of Bush as a good president. Again you have not posted one fact. You are just posting intellectual lingo that is off topic continuing to not back up your beliefs. I already told you why I like him. You have not told me why you hate him so much which ,btw, was part of my post.
 
does that make a difference to the dissenters? if you support him thats fine. you (hopefully) have your educated reasons to do so. i have my educated reasons to not support him. i did my civic duty and voted for who i thought would be better to lead the country. i love what this country is capable of doing, i support our troops and think america is a pretty damn good place to be. does that make me unpatriotic tho, just because i do not believe our current administration is the best possible one for the country? i sure hope not.

basically what you are saying is that in order to be patriotic you must support the leadership of the country. by that reasoning it seems to me that you would have to say anytime we do not re-elect a president to a 2nd term the majority of the country is being unpatriotic. now if that is your argument (because thats what you seem to be saying) then ~17* times the majority of the country has shown they were unpatriotic because they voted against the current administration showing their distrust/dislike/etc for the incubent administration. by this reasoning during ~31% of this countries history the majority of the population has been unpatriotic, not to mention the fact that except for a few select periods of time (usually during times of extreme national crisis) there have always been dissenters and those who opposed the administration at their time.

so if not agreeing with or fully supporting the current administration is unpatriotic, count me in. i will join a long line of unpatriotic citizens that have existed throughout this countries history. if we have gotten by this long with such a lack of patriotism maybe its nothing special anyways.



*number may be off by 1-2 i am not sure about the specifics for all presidencies some may have ended differently but i think i did discount those i know where ended prematurely
 
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