Patriot Raid

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Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: ElFenix
they wouldn't let you leave if they were busting up a party for suspected underage drinking either...

Haha come on I know you have more insight than that. Don't think that because most of the people here cannot formulate clear and concise arguments you can drop that out and expect us to see paralells that aren't there. You know as well as I do that cops don't go busting in every door they think might have underage drinking, if the get a call, or see people stumbling around outside they go in, and determine if a crime has been committed, if not they go on their merry ways. This was different, they had no probably cause.

No, there are parralels but obviously the "danger" is much less holding and questioning people at a party. The Cops had information that they felt was credible and acted on it. Does it suck that innocent people get caught in these situations? Yes, and I'd be mad as hell too if I ever found myself held like that, but it doesn't change the fact that once Cops bust into a place, they need to secure the scene, witnesses, and subjects - and that can take a long time. Did the supposed info turn out to be wrong in this one case? According to the writer it was - but we only know what he is feeding us.

They had no probable cause? How would you know that DaiShan? Just because the writer was an "innocent bystander" caught in the middle, doesn't mean the cops didn' have probable cause to raid the place.


Now, I want to let it be known that I don't like the "Patriot Act" or it's soon to be brother. They take way too many of our civil liberties in the name of "National Security". But in this case the only problems I see is that the cops were probably being a little hard-asses to a 2 guys going to a play and that the Cops might have raided a place on bad info.

CkG

 

[Corn]

Isn't that a waste of time and money?

Isn't this what congress does best?

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: ElFenix
they wouldn't let you leave if they were busting up a party for suspected underage drinking either...

Haha come on I know you have more insight than that. Don't think that because most of the people here cannot formulate clear and concise arguments you can drop that out and expect us to see paralells that aren't there. You know as well as I do that cops don't go busting in every door they think might have underage drinking, if the get a call, or see people stumbling around outside they go in, and determine if a crime has been committed, if not they go on their merry ways. This was different, they had no probably cause.

How do you know they didn't have probable cause? I actually don't see anywhere that the author knows definitively what the reasons for the raid were but merely "ascertains" from the restaurant owner, a perfectly credible source, that the raid was a mistake. I also don't see when the government agents state that they don't have a warrant, only that the raid was the result of a Homeland Security investigation, which may or may not require the approval of a judge. I honestly don't know and neither does anyone here (or that guy).

The part that really doesn't mesh? Nor have the over 600 people of South Asian descent currently being held without charge by the Federal government. You mean the ones captured in Afghanistan while bearing arms against the United States, or illegal immigrants found within the United States who should be held until they are deported? He provides no basis for that exceptionally inflammatory statement but leaves the implication that they were all picked up illegally and are being held illegally, with no supporting evidence.

I'll return the favor to this author: He's an al'Qaida sympathizer planning to attack targets in New York. Completely unsupported and inflammatory but apparently a perfectly acceptable writing method to him.

 

[BaDaBooM]

Yea, seems strange as the people I have seen on tv that looked at the Patriot said it made it easier for them to get a warrant but didn't say they don't need a warrant. Of course I haven't seen it myself so I can't say for sure about it.