Patriot Act II

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hagbard

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
The terrorists are winning.

You're your own worst enemy (by "you" I mean the government's you continue to elect and the polices they pursue). But hey, I'm just a flaming anti-American.

 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: wQuay
No, they'll just "manufacture" some event so that everyone will be happy for its passing through congress.

True. The first Patriot Act was prepared before 9/11, and we're now officially in condition orange. An attack could be weeks away.

- The battle has moved inside America... I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The US Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.

Osama in Laden -

He was right. The US is surrendering.
 

reitz

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Originally posted by: wQuay
No, they'll just "manufacture" some event so that everyone will be happy for its passing through congress.

True. The first Patriot Act was prepared before 9/11...
I've never heard that claim before, do you have a source to back it up? That would be very interesting if it is the case.
 

freegeekss

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yikes -- scary stuff :Q

I have a spare room left -- the thousands of american Anandtech members are always welcome in Belgium :D

(note: according to Rumsfeld, "Belgium is together with France and Germany the New Axis Of Evil [TM]" so be prepared when you come here ;)
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: reitz
Originally posted by: wQuay
No, they'll just "manufacture" some event so that everyone will be happy for its passing through congress.
True. The first Patriot Act was prepared before 9/11...
I've never heard that claim before, do you have a source to back it up? That would be very interesting if it is the case.
Google a document called "The Phase III Report of the US Commission on National Security-21st Century." This is the original study, text and findings that later became USA Patriot. The bipartisan Commission finished its work on 1/31/01.
 

wyvrn

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Argh. The first Patriot Act sucked and this one blows even more. Ashcroft is a nut that threatens the security of our state and needs to be removed from office. I'll be glad when the current administration has left office! :|
 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: wyvrn
Argh. The first Patriot Act sucked and this one blows even more. Ashcroft is a nut that threatens the security of our state and needs to be removed from office. I'll be glad when the current administration has left office! :|

Since everyone here already thinks I'm an idiot, I might just as well continue on that theme. What makes you so sure they'll be an election in 2004? Just wait for another "terrorist attack" and expect Patriot Act III. The frog doesn't know when he's being boiled.

 

Harvey

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If this so called "Patriot Act II" is passed, we are in for some very scary sh8. AFIC, it is further proof that John Asscroft really is a wannabe f&uuml;hrer. :|

It was the main topic last night, on PBS's Now - With Bill Moyers. Here are some of the sub-links from that page:

Breaking News.

Interview with Chuck Lewis, founder of the Center for Public Integrity, the non-partisan organization whose mission is to provide the American people with the findings of their investigations and analyses of public service, government accountability and ethics related issues.

Civil Liberties and War Timeline

More relevant links on the site. Looks like the Bush crowd didn't learn the lessons from WW II. :|
Originally posted by: hagbard
The frog doesn't know when he's being boiled.
Can you say, grr-r-rribittt ? :Q
 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: Harvey

The frog doesn't know when he's being boiled.
Can you say, grr-r-rribittt ? :Q[/quote]

Yep. Can you turn up the heat in the hot tub...thanks ;)

..ribbt....
 

Martin

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I was thinking....wouldn't Ashcroft love to be able to designate the ACLU as a terrorist organization?
 

JellyBaby

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The bill, drafted by the staff of Attorney General John Ashcroft
That right there is enough to cause me great concern Why can't this guy do the country a favor and choke to death on a pretzel!
Did you know Ashcroft is a born again christiain Red? He's one of the holy warriors who will win the war on terror for us even if he has to lock all of us up in the process.
 

hagbard

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Okay, I've posted this before and here it is again. I nice little tune from a guy named Paris with GW Bush as vocalist:

Would you?

BTW, its a free and legal download MP3 file.

 

rufruf44

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Gosh, I hope the congress kills it as soon as it approach. How many more of these is coming ???
 

RobCur

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Originally posted by: Bop
This is scary sh!t. Before we know it, our government will be the ones committing the terror acts against its citizens. Heck, its already starting to happen to some of us.

 

laFiera

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i posted a few months back that the usa is coming a communist like state...adn i was laughed at....
man, that act reminds me of the good old days in my former communist country!!!!
 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: laFiera
i posted a few months back that the usa is coming a communist like state...adn i was laughed at....
man, that act reminds me of the good old days in my former communist country!!!!

Communist or national socialist? I don't hear them talking about socializing corporations, the contrary, Patriot Act II suggests making it illegal to report misdeeds by industry. And the administration seeks preventative strikes against potential enemies...sound familiar? They'll eliminate the rest of the amendments to the constitution next time around.



 

Double Trouble

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I'm a staunch conservative, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't incredibly glad to see the Goron gone and Bush in office, but in light of their actions over the last 1 1/2 years, I have to rethink my position on the current administration somewhat.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No doubt these laws are being drafted to help protect us from the "evildoers", but the drafters of these kinds of bills seem to forget that the evildoers might themselves be part of our government, and that these things are just perfect for future abuse. We are only free so long as we can oversee the activities of our government and it's actions. The more secrecy and "special" kinds of rules we craft to deal with terrorism, the more we undermine our own freedom.
 

Judgement

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Without liberty and freedom, what is there to protect?


If I had any doubts left that Ashcroft was a freakin commie, they've been eliminated. SnapIT, you couldn't be more correct. We have truly let terrorists affect our way of life.