Indeed...His trollish posting habits make it hard to care. Still, they would be better off countering the drivel he posted instead of insulting him.
Indeed...His trollish posting habits make it hard to care. Still, they would be better off countering the drivel he posted instead of insulting him.
Interesting that you don't "call out" members of the circle who engage in the very same tactics on a daily basis.
Don Vito Corleone
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What is the point of your innuendo? When have you criticized a conservative member of this board, even once?
I can assure you I have critiqued liberals here, and in fact had to block PMs from a liberal member of this board because he was so angry at me for doing so. The few members here with a long history know that I can be pretty strenuous about going after my own side when its members act stupid.
Do you think Zendari's post in this thread was worthwhile? Do you think he contributes to this forum in a substantive way? You weren't here to see his first two identities flame out here, but I assure you they were even worse.
Whats odd is that nowhere in the rules does it say "No Trolling", but right there on the front page of forums.anandtech.com it says:
Perhaps that should be amended to add "when directed at liberals." Clearly personal flames ARE tolerated here.. nothing is ever done about them when they are directed at conservatives.
Perhaps that should be amended to add "when directed at liberals." Clearly personal flames ARE tolerated here.. nothing is ever done about them when they are directed at conservatives.
It's interesting...for a while I just thought people who held that viewpoint were a bunch of spineless sheep willing to give up some of their rights to get nothing more than the promise of safety. I thought you people simply hadn't really thought about whether or not the solution could end up being worse than the problem...or whether or not the solution is even an effective one (it's not).
But then I realized that this didn't make a lot of sense...history shows that while people are perfectly willing to sacrafice the rights and freedoms of others, they are rarely willing to do so for themselves. And this is no different, you put it exactly right...all you people have. The basic idea you people seem to have is "if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about". You don't care about Feds having the right to see what you are reading...because you're name isn't Abdul and the only thing YOU check out of the library is the latest Tom Clancy book. You guys are all for torture and arrest without trial and all the other fun things going on...because deep down you don't believe that would be you. And it probably won't be, because I believe that at the end of the day, most of the people in government want to do the right thing.
But there is the problem that people don't seem to get...when you give the government more power, you have to trust them. You have to trust that the government doesn't care about your reading list...or that they won't suspect you of being a terrorist...or that they won't suddenly decide they just don't like you. When you have legal protections, it's different. Maybe the difference is really academic if you're a good little boy, but history has shown time and time again that trusting the government with more power is like standing on Darwin's doorstep, pounding on the door, screaming "Take me! Take me!". And that whole "the world changed since 9/11" crap doesn't fly either...this isn't a new thing, it's the same old story with different characters.
By the way, I find it extremely amusing that you guys refer to people willing to take the risks that come along with freedom and liberty as "geeks" and "liberals". I may be a liberal (and a geek), but at least I'm on my feet when I admit it.
Edit: Can you tell this is a hot-button issue for me?
In any case, I don't want my freedom-rant to obscure what I think is the most important part of the PATRIOT ACT debate...whether or not it's an effective anti-terrorist tool. Personally I think it actually hurts our fight against terrorism, just because we've expanded government powers doesn't mean they can do their jobs better. From what I can tell, the problem was never a lack of power, it was a lack of execution of that power.
Dissipate
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Funny, that's how I see just about every political issue. The left/right spectrum is complete B.S. It is really all just shades of tyranny.
This load of garbage about social freedoms and economic freedoms as being two distinct things is really outrageous also. The economy is a social activity and social activities are the economy.
Don Vito Corleone
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So we never heard - who were you (and your alter ego, ShadesOfGrey) before you were banned? I'm thinking Crimson.
Steeplerot
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revenge of the "liberal bias" drama Part 3
I have to say the newer members like zen at least say their piece snipe back and get on with it instead of dragging out the whole limbaugh victim conservative thing to the mods.
I have to say zen, thanks...for posting something besides abortion stuff.
The appeal hasn't "failed", at all. Ginsburg merely said that the whole thing needed to proceed "pro forma", by the book, and that the lower court needed to rule before the SCOTUS would get in the middle of it.
If the court of appeals rules in a way that the SCOTUS can agree with, then they'll simply let the ruling stand, avoiding a lot of work and drawing of controversial attention to themselves. They've done a lot of that lately, effectively avoiding substantiative rulings in several matters. While it serves to deflect controversy form the Court, I'm not really sure it serves the interests of the People, at all, to have issues like Padilla, Gitmo, and the Pledge dragged out longer than necessary.
If the court of appeals rules in a way that the SCOTUS can agree with, then they'll simply let the ruling stand, avoiding a lot of work and drawing of controversial attention to themselves. They've done a lot of that lately, effectively avoiding substantiative rulings in several matters. While it serves to deflect controversy form the Court, I'm not really sure it serves the interests of the People, at all, to have issues like Padilla, Gitmo, and the Pledge dragged out longer than necessary.
I think some members here (Pabster, at the very least) are a little confused. Just because you are 'for' the PA doesn't make it consitutional.
Time for your sheep dip. You stinking Anti-American Communist. The Revolution was wasted on you. You don't deserve to be an American. You are a coward and a worm, but mostly, you are a fool. All evil is done in the name of Good.
Time for you to go hide under your bed. The terrorists are out for you. Go hide your head in the sand but grease up your butt and leave it in the air. The government will want to inspect for box cutters. Puck puck puck you chicken. You are a traitor to your nation. Oh please please take away my freedoms. I won't need them if I'm dead of terrorist attack. Better the Gov knows what I read than dead. "SOMEBODY PROTECT ME I"M SO AFRAID" Give me Slavery but don't give me Death.
Unfortunately, you have no standing or credibility in the matter.
Oh look, there's a case in point right here.
Yup, the Mods should be all over his ass for calling me Michael Moore not to mention suggesting I kill myself. Just terrible.
judasmachine
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Yeah me too. I am not right wing, but I am definately south wing. That policompass thing called me a social libetarian, which I guess is a hippy anarchist, but I don't mind the right leaning libetarians either.
Hayabusa Rider
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What is fascinating is that many who claim to support those who say that "govt. is part of the problem" seem perfectly content to surrender their rights to it.
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