Patriot Act Appeal fails at the SCOTUS

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(Washington-AP, Oct. 7, 2005 Updated 7:50 PM) _ Connecticut libraries lost an emergency Supreme Court appeal on Friday in their effort to be freed from a gag order and participate in a congressional debate over the Patriot Act.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg denied the appeal and offered an unusually detailed explanation of her decision.

Ginsburg said the American Civil Liberties Union had made reasonable arguments on behalf of its client, identified in a filing as the Library Connection, an association of libraries in Connecticut.

However, Ginsburg said that the New York-based 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals should be given time to consider whether the Patriot Act, and its requirement of secrecy in records demands, is unconstitutional as applied to the libraries.

"A decision of that moment warrants cautious review," she said.

The ACLU, with backing from the American Library Association, argued that a gag order prevents its client from taking part in debate on Capitol Hill about the Patriot Act, which was passed shortly after the 2001 terror attacks. Some key provisions expire at the end of the year.

A federal judge said that the gag order on the libraries had silenced people "whose voices are particularly important in an ongoing national debate about the intrusion of governmental authority into individual lives."

The 2nd circuit put the decision on hold, and Ginsburg was asked to intervene. In turning down that request, Ginsburg said she expected the appeals court to hear arguments in the government's appeal and rule "with appropriate care and dispatch." Arguments are Nov. 2.

The case could still return to the Supreme Court.

The Patriot Act authorized expanded surveillance of terror suspects, increased use of material witness warrants to hold suspects incommunicado and secret proceedings in immigration cases.

Much of the Supreme Court appeal, filed earlier this week, was classified and blacked out. The Bush administration's published response consisted of blank pages. A filing by the American Library Association and other groups included some details, as did Ginsburg's seven-page opinion.

She said that the library association member received an FBI demand for records but was told that it would be illegal to tell anyone about it. The group sued on free-speech grounds so that it could take part "in the current debate -- both in Congress and among the public -- regarding proposed revisions to the Patriot Act," according to Ginsburg.

Federal prosecutors have maintained that secrecy about records demands is necessary to keep from alerting suspects and jeopardizing terrorism investigations.

Ann Beeson, the ACLU lawyer handling the case, said Friday that they would continue their legal fight.

"Ultimately, we believe that this broad power, which allows the government to seize library and Internet records without judicial authorization, is unconstitutional and offensive to American democracy," she said.

The emergency appeal was filed with Ginsburg because she handles cases from the 2nd Circuit.

The case is Doe v. Gonzales, 05-A295.



Hmm, and the radical left kept saying the patriot act was unconstitutional.
 

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this government only protects itself, and will retain any rights it has given itself. it isn't a left/right issue people, it's authoritarian assh*les vs. libetarian ideals.
 
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Originally posted by: zendari

Hmm, and the radical left kept saying the patriot act was unconstittional.

Your commentary is completely irrelevant. This ruling has nothing - whatsoever - to do with the constitutionality of the Patriot Act. Did you even read the article you posted?
 

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Why do I have the feeling Zendari never actually read the article and only the headline?
 

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: zendari

Hmm, and the radical left kept saying the patriot act was unconstittional.

Your commentary is completely irrelevant. This ruling has nothing - whatsoever - to do with the constitutionality of the Patriot Act. Did you even read the article you posted?


Originally posted by: Strk
Why do I have the feeling Zendari never actually read the article and only the headline?

I don't think he can read, someone must be helping him but not very good either as can't spell as well.
 

Tab

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The Patroit IS unconsitutional, period. It doesn't matter if you're Republican or Democrat; it's unconsitutional.
 

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Originally posted by: Tab
The Patroit IS unconsitutional, period. It doesn't matter if you're Republican or Democrat; it's unconsitutional.

If only the rest of the people in this country would realize that, most of them believe The Patriot is a great thing. Well not for me even if does not effect me(nothing to hide) I don't care, I won't give up my right for security.
 

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: zendari

Hmm, and the radical left kept saying the patriot act was unconstittional.

Your commentary is completely irrelevant. This ruling has nothing - whatsoever - to do with the constitutionality of the Patriot Act. Did you even read the article you posted?

Indeed. That's about all I can say.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: Tab
The Patroit IS unconsitutional, period. It doesn't matter if you're Republican or Democrat; it's unconsitutional.

I disagree. Frankly I'm not too concerned about a library reporting my reading habits to the Feds. But then I don't go around renting out terrorist training manuals or bomb-making and explosives charts.

I think Americans by-and-large understand that we live in a new age now and that if we have to give up some privacy in order to safeguard our country we're willing to do that.

Of course some of the geeks here disagree, and that's fine. Just know that you don't represent the average Joe or his view.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Tab
The Patroit IS unconsitutional, period. It doesn't matter if you're Republican or Democrat; it's unconsitutional.

I disagree. Frankly I'm not too concerned about a library reporting my reading habits to the Feds. But then I don't go around renting out terrorist training manuals or bomb-making and explosives charts.

I think Americans by-and-large understand that we live in a new age now and that if we have to give up some privacy in order to safeguard our country we're willing to do that.

Of course some of the geeks here disagree, and that's fine. Just know that you don't represent the average Joe or his view.


In the age of the internet who the heck needs to go to the library to find out how to make a bomb? This whole issue is about the new neo-con philosophy that the constitution only provides limited protection to citizens while it allows government to do whatever it wants unless it is prohibited from it.
Notice how this is not conservatism or Republican in nature but falls into the fascist and communist ideolology.
Next on the list the government will tell me I can't use contraceptives and I can only have sex with someone I am married to and only in the missionary position.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
I disagree. Frankly I'm not too concerned about a library reporting my reading habits to the Feds. But then I don't go around renting out terrorist training manuals or bomb-making and explosives charts.

I think Americans by-and-large understand that we live in a new age now and that if we have to give up some privacy in order to safeguard our country we're willing to do that.

Of course some of the geeks here disagree, and that's fine. Just know that you don't represent the average Joe or his view.

Seriously, I don't see how someones reading habits is any of their business. What are they, the thought police?

Also, what's wrong with reading bomb-making and explosives charts? Does reading those things somehow automatically make someone a terrorist now?

Christ, you people are so freaking paranoid now it's ridiculous.
 

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Tab
The Patroit IS unconsitutional, period. It doesn't matter if you're Republican or Democrat; it's unconsitutional.

I disagree. Frankly I'm not too concerned about a library reporting my reading habits to the Feds. But then I don't go around renting out terrorist training manuals or bomb-making and explosives charts.

I think Americans by-and-large understand that we live in a new age now and that if we have to give up some privacy in order to safeguard our country we're willing to do that.

Of course some of the geeks here disagree, and that's fine. Just know that you don't represent the average Joe or his view.


In the age of the internet who the heck needs to go to the library to find out how to make a bomb? This whole issue is about the new neo-con philosophy that the constitution only provides limited protection to citizens while it allows government to do whatever it wants unless it is prohibited from it.
Notice how this is not conservatism or Republican in nature but falls into the fascist and communist ideolology.
Next on the list the government will tell me I can't use contraceptives and I can only have sex with someone I am married to and only in the missionary position.

Yeah, well, you know how it is. They seem to prefer some kind of nanny state where the government protects them from themselves and the scary person next door.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Tab
The Patroit IS unconsitutional, period. It doesn't matter if you're Republican or Democrat; it's unconsitutional.



I think Americans by-and-large understand that we live in a new age now and that if we have to give up some privacy in order to safeguard our country we're willing to do that.


.

I can't wait til they start going thru your mailbox and opening your mail, all in the name of safe guarding the homeland from pr0n!
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: zendari

Hmm, and the radical left kept saying the patriot act was unconstittional.

Your commentary is completely irrelevant. This ruling has nothing - whatsoever - to do with the constitutionality of the Patriot Act. Did you even read the article you posted?


Why do I get the impression that Zendaari wears an asbestos diaper ?

 

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: zendari

Hmm, and the radical left kept saying the patriot act was unconstittional.

Your commentary is completely irrelevant. This ruling has nothing - whatsoever - to do with the constitutionality of the Patriot Act. Did you even read the article you posted?


Why do I get the impression that Zendaari wears an asbestos diaper ?

I was thinking lead with a little mercury added.
 

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: zendari

Hmm, and the radical left kept saying the patriot act was unconstittional.

Your commentary is completely irrelevant. This ruling has nothing - whatsoever - to do with the constitutionality of the Patriot Act. Did you even read the article you posted?


Why do I get the impression that Zendaari wears an asbestos diaper ?

I was thinking lead with a little mercury added.

Guys(Darkhawk28/CaptnKirk), those remarks directed at zendari are unnecessary. His comment might have been irrelevant BS, but that's no reason for you two start with the personal insults.
 

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What else is there to do but insult the troll when he posts nothing substantive? I've followed Zendari's threads for months and he's nothing but a bullhorn for the far-right.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: zendari

Hmm, and the radical left kept saying the patriot act was unconstittional.

Your commentary is completely irrelevant. This ruling has nothing - whatsoever - to do with the constitutionality of the Patriot Act. Did you even read the article you posted?


Why do I get the impression that Zendaari wears an asbestos diaper ?

I was thinking lead with a little mercury added.

Guys(Darkhawk28/CaptnKirk), those remarks directed at zendari are unnecessary. His comment might have been irrelevant BS, but that's no reason for you two start with the personal insults.


Does Immature and flamebait ring a bell ?

 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: stateofbeasley
What else is there to do but insult the troll when he posts nothing substantive? I've followed Zendari's threads for months and he's nothing but a bullhorn for the far-right.

I don't mind bullhorns per se, but at least attempt to put something factual and substantive to post.
 

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Anyone want to take bets on whether Zendari shows his face in this thread again?
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Tab
The Patroit IS unconsitutional, period. It doesn't matter if you're Republican or Democrat; it's unconsitutional.

I disagree. Frankly I'm not too concerned about a library reporting my reading habits to the Feds. But then I don't go around renting out terrorist training manuals or bomb-making and explosives charts.

I think Americans by-and-large understand that we live in a new age now and that if we have to give up some privacy in order to safeguard our country we're willing to do that.

Of course some of the geeks here disagree, and that's fine. Just know that you don't represent the average Joe or his view.

Originally said by: Benjamin Franklin
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

You know what the "average" Joe thinks? According to the lastest polls, the Bush Administration isn't doing to well.

Someone show me how the patroit is constitutional.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: JackStorm
Guys(Darkhawk28/CaptnKirk), those remarks directed at zendari are unnecessary. His comment might have been irrelevant BS, but that's no reason for you two start with the personal insults.

Add a few more circle members to that list.

And you're right. But when you have no facts or evidence to refute the topic, it seems to be status quo to start with personal attacks and insults.
 
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Originally posted by: Pabster

And you're right. But when you have no facts or evidence to refute the topic, it seems to be status quo to start with personal attacks and insults.

The thing is, Zendari had no facts or evidence to support his comments in this thread. He's nothing but a shameless, thoughtless troll (and a twice-banned, white-supremacist troll at that). I'm having a hard time caring about his "right" to post this crap and not be called out on it.