Pat Robertson: Haiti earthquake is divine retribution for a pact with the devil

[Avvocato Effetti]

And I am Lenin himself, who wants to be Napoleon?

Fair enough.

My statement that I am God's son is certainly way over the top.

If you are a Christian, it is the truth. Not all Christians have the cajones to publicly admit that.

This Christian has "grande cajones". (hey! - there's one for someones sig!)

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

You are a fool who has attached himself to externals, to the bridge that was a way and for some still can be. You have made that bridge ugly.

Thanks for taking the time to outline you disagreement with my view.

The force that I use in discussion is able to be throttled back to meet the need. Read through my responses and note that not every one is a strident statement of black or white.

You have to understand that my whole being is consumed by the fact that every Word in the Bible is Truth. You may not like that but that is where I'm coming from.

What writers do you like to read?

 

[Moonbeam]

Thanks for taking the time to outline you disagreement with my view.

The force that I use in discussion is able to be throttled back to meet the need. Read through my responses and note that not every one is a strident statement of black or white.

You have to understand that my whole being is consumed by the fact that every Word in the Bible is Truth. You may not like that but that is where I'm coming from.

What writers do you like to read?

I don't have a problem with how your life is consumed. It is your life. I have no problem with the fact that every word in the Bible is true. Where I differ from you is in the assumptions that ground our being. You think you are qualified and equipped to understand the Bible and the truth spoken therein, and that you have done so successfully, whereas I myself am aware that I know nothing. I believe that the New Testament is about a person who became all that a man can be and that the words we have about him are the words of men who were not and that because they did not have the same degree of being, their words could not relay the full meaning, not to mention the fact that words can never describe or carry information that can only be had via being.

I am going out for lunch now and will tell you some writing that has informed my thinking later on.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Where I differ from you is in the assumptions that ground our being.

Fair enough.

It's not every day that a Christian will tell you that he has the mind of Christ. Yet, I have told you that.

Having that mind is a power that makes a Man very bold, as you can see from my writings.

We probably won't be able to find common ground on that core belief.

 

[sandorski]

And I am Lenin himself, who wants to be Napoleon?

Drats, I'm too tall. Can I be Attila?? Please please!

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

For all you Pat haters, take a look at this.


:hmm:

 

[palehorse]

Robertson is an ignorant douchebag of the highest magnitude.

/thread

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

More facts for the Pat haters is here.

 

[CallMeJoe]

More facts for the Pat haters is here.

So, according to your American Daily article the hougans were able to hold off the earthquakes for 200+ years; it was only after the Christian reclamation of the nation that disaster struck.

You posit an interesting argument in favor of voodoo...

 

[LunarRay]

You can deduce the faith of a person by the size of the mountains they can move!!!
Since Faith is belief with out empirical proof of the truth the faith maintains, it is easily seen to be seeking status and position with reliance on tangible elements.
One such poster herein maintains his/her 'close' connection to THE truth! They do this while denouncing other folk's truth as being mistaken belief. He/she must do this to stay convinced that they are possessed with the 'real' truth.
I think the truth is more like what Moonbeam has developed as his thesis on truth. We each have the capacity and need to hold truth. When we have that we seek to define it. But, it is without definition... it is with us or in us or around us but we can't really define it... it is easily seen by others as being Love or Contentment or some such emanating from the 'owner'. I think it is all the same source condition but defined by the individual so they can communicate what they 'feel'. IOW, my God is also Moonbeam's God but he don't refer to his state of being using the same source perhaps but it is the same... I think it is called Love... And it is easy to see when a person is void of Love... they are bigots and the like. A house divided cannot stand... A bigot cannot have both love and hate. It is an either or scenario.

 

[elitejp]

just food for thought since most people have turned this into a "hate christianity thread" rather than a "disagreeing with Pat R. thread"; when hurricane katrina hit louisiana the first people on the scene were churches from across america. And this is always the case. I live in china and there have been numerous times where christian workers (including operation blessing maintained by the 700 club) have came in and built schools, dug wells, offered free medical services and many other free services even when the local govt wanted charged workers or organizations a fee to do free humanitarian work in the country. I know people like to hate christianity but take a look at some of the slum areas in america and you will always see christian outreaches helping the community in giving out free food, or trying to get people off of drugs, or even just offering the homeless a place to sleep etc etc. So argue and say what you will but if you actually open up your eyes the overall christian community is doing alot of voluntering and aid programs that are very beneficial. Anybody with common sense knows that helping people is a good thing, but for some reason people forget this

 

[elitejp]

I don't have a problem with how your life is consumed. It is your life. I have no problem with the fact that every word in the Bible is true. Where I differ from you is in the assumptions that ground our being. You think you are qualified and equipped to understand the Bible and the truth spoken therein, and that you have done so successfully, whereas I myself am aware that I know nothing.

Interesting statement you have made since the Bible does clearly teach that christians have a relationship with God that does allow for us to know and understand His will and thoughts.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/1-corinthians/passage.aspx?q=1 Corinthians+2:11-16
this passage simply states that christians have the Spirit of God in them that will impart understanding to them.

Jesus tells his disciples the same thing when he says "I will send you another comforter"
http://bible.cc/john/14-16.htm
The word comforter includes the meaning of teacher. And since Jesus taught his disciples and his disciples then went out and taught others it would make sense for him to say i will send "another", since the Holy spirit also teaches today.

So Avvocato Effetti would be very correct in saying that he has understanding of the Bible and God's will. Because just like you said "every word in the Bible is true".

 

[Nemesis 1]

I like your last 2 post.You seem to be on the right road, But if you read what effette has written , Your misguiged in what he is saying. He isn't teaching about a god of love here. He is asking people to join his faith of hate. Suggesting what happpened in Haiti is somehow a good thing and they deserve no humitarian help is just Wrong suggesting that my fathers sins are my sins is wrong teaching . The Christ was about forgiveness of sin . He invoked Revalations(effitte) , read revelations Its not about Forgiveness its not about anything but Gods judgement on Man . Thats why he invoked it . If he read that book he should know building an army of Christian soldiers for that time is lack of understanding.
That army would be wiped off the face of the earth doomed to everlasting torment. God already choose his army for the time of revalations it an army of two who do nothing more than make known the events of that time to the people of that time. When those events do occur the people will hate these 2 men of God and when they are put to death in the streets of jersulem and their bodies lay uncovered for three days the peoples of the world will celebrate for 3 days their death. On the 3rd day they shall rise up and at that exact moment God will Judge. Many Christians teach of a rapture. Its a complete lie and scripture tells you that in Revelations. It clearly says that the last to die will be the first to rise . Therefor the rapture is a lie . The 2 witnesses will be the last to die and the First to rise. Revelations is not about Love peace or anyting the Living Word taught its about what occurs if you do not live that life Christ taught. It about Gods judgement on man which has begun some time ago but we have now entered the last chapters of revalations. Effetti showed who and what he was by invoking Revalations a deciever of the trueth. Pat and Effitte have to get together and tells us when the next great event occurrs for their empty words to carry any weight.

As for sending another comforter that complete hog wash for this Time, Effitte did invoke Revalations it'S not a comforter who is in your misted so your lack of understanding is clear also . I would also caution you on how and what you say about the Holy Spirit .

 

[Nemesis 1]

I must say your using this link to say Moonie doesn't get it is laughable

http://www.biblestudytools.com/1-corinthians/passage.aspx?q=1%20Corinthians+2:11-16

PAUL the LIAR Paul the Killer PAUL who was saved by the Holy spirirt and not Christ . Paul the Roman. Paul was nothing more than a pawn used ny Rome to decieve the people to follow teaching The Living Word did not bring to man . Paul never even new Christ never met him and his period in time is very questionable. It was ROME that Compiled the New Testment and NOT the Church of Christ , History clearly shows this. This has been shown on this forum Many Many times . You can take everthing Paul the Imperfect gay and throw it out in the trash . For Paul went Both ways showing he was simplely perpeverted and not a naturual gay .Which is fine . You going to talk about the Living word use the 4 Gosphels . and forget what PAUL wrote . Revalations is totally differant its not about teaching its just a warning sign.

Paul gets more space than The Living word got on his teachings . Don't you find that odd. Read Pauls version of Revalations see how he glorifies himself . Its all out there if you want trueth search for it . You will not find it in the Book of Rome mind control.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

My mission here was to defend Pat. I've accomplished that mission to my satisfaction.

Along the way I have made proclamations that have hurt feelings and bruised egos. I was informed that if I proselytize, I will be banned.

For the record, God is a gentle loving Father. If you threaten God's family, he is an invincible foe.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Listen That was really nice writing you choose. You will always always find trueth in deception thats how it works, The deception thats is.

You can't take one part of what Paul wrote and say this is trueth . You have to understand his complete works in the Black book. I haven't picked up a bible fot sometime . and I won't now . But it is Paul who reasons it out , That going to war against a people that will destroy and kill your family is reasoniable teaching . As many here would Agree with it . I tell you If you were a true believer. You would not fear that deathor for your families death , Now to a none believer that sounds Unreasonable doesn't it. Someone is going to Kill your family your going to reason that its alright to prevent it . Is that not SO? It is not easy to be a follower of the true teachings of Christ . It would be almost impossiable for me not to lash out if someone was going to kill my family. The Choice is right here . Its an example of many things that Paul did reason out . But I not interested in what Paul taught if what the Living Word taught is trueth about Heaven . Its a Hard road this Christ laid out for us. Its a matter of choosing the True right over what seems to be right . If everyone . Its a BIG if choose the true right . There would be NO FEAR. Satan(EVIL ) would lose its power. IT WOULD BE A WONDERFULWORLD. But thats not going to happen until the earth is cleansed and the Waterbearer Leads. Why do you think that Christ was baptized in Water. He was the living word . WHY be Baptized. Christ came in his Time but he taught about another. That Time has come

 

[Nemesis 1]

My mission here was to defend Pat. I've accomplished that mission to my satisfaction.

Along the way I have made proclamations that have hurt feelings and bruised egos. I was informed that if I proselytize, I will be banned.

For the record, God is a gentle loving Father. If you threaten God's family, he is an invincible foe.

You have accomplished nothing here but to drive people even further away from the trueth . Your brand of what a Christian is sickened them .Even non believers turned their heads in dis belief of your poisenious words. You it would seem have done the work of your true master satan rather well I must say.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek. Pat has done that and so have I.

However, Jesus also said vengeance is mine, I will repay. Now how do you suppose Jesus will repay those who have attacked Pat? Part of that repayment came through me via this thread.

In God's gang we don't defend ourselves, we depend on others to do it for us. It is the way the system is set up and it works beautifully when it is operated.

 

[seemingly random]

You have accomplished nothing here but to drive people even further away from the trueth . Your brand of what a Christian is sickened them .Even non believers turned their heads in dis belief of your poisenious words. You it would seem have done the work of your true master satan rather well I must say.

You got that right, nemesis. I've always liked xmas displays but, in memorial to the delusional effetti, the next time one of those crazy ballots comes up about banning xmas displays on public property, I might just vote for the ban.

 

[VashHT]

Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek. Pat has done that and so have I.

However, Jesus also said vengeance is mine, I will repay. Now how do you suppose Jesus will repay those who have attacked Pat? Part of that repayment came through me via this thread.

In God's gang we don't defend ourselves, we depend on others to do it for us. It is the way the system is set up and it works beautifully when it is operated.

That's ridiculous, by your own logic, how will Jesus take vengeance on Pat for condemning a nation and judging them where he has no right to do so?

Also, you say you don't defend yourself but you have been in here flaming people (even other Christians) just because they are against the idea that God is punishing a nation because of their ancestry.

Lastly, if you really had turned the other cheek at all you never would be posting as much as you have, you would've just ignored everyone's attacks long ago.

As others said, you're a terrible troll, and it's pretty obvious you aren't even a Christian at all.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek. Pat has done that and so have I.

However, Jesus also said vengeance is mine, I will repay. Now how do you suppose Jesus will repay those who have attacked Pat? Part of that repayment came through me via this thread.

In God's gang we don't defend ourselves, we depend on others to do it for us. It is the way the system is set up and it works beautifully when it is operated.

I would very much like to see were Jesus said vengeance is his and it transferred to his followers get that Bible passage.

 

[nobodyknows]

That's ridiculous, by your own logic, how will Jesus take vengeance on Pat for condemning a nation and judging them where he has no right to do so?

Also, you say you don't defend yourself but you have been in here flaming people (even other Christians) just because they are against the idea that God is punishing a nation because of their ancestry.

Lastly, if you really had turned the other cheek at all you never would be posting as much as you have, you would've just ignored everyone's attacks long ago.

As others said, you're a terrible troll, and it's pretty obvious you aren't even a Christian at all.

Could he be a ChINO?

 

[BurnItDwn]

So, Pat Robertson signs a pact with the devil, and has the power to cause devastating earthquakes wherever he has enemies. I signed the pact, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt!

 

[nobodyknows]

I would very much like to see were Jesus said vengeance is his and it transferred to his followers get that Bible passage.

This nut talks to God (as does Pat) so he just "knows" what the Lord wants.

 

[Gand1]

my ice cube is better than you ice cube....is it hot out here?