Pat Robertson: Haiti earthquake is divine retribution for a pact with the devil

[Ozoned]

And now the conclusion.

The OP came on with great glee to proclaim that another stupid Christian out there was weighing in.

As the rest of the posters weighed in, the theme of Christians an a fringe group of people emerged.

After I arrived and set the record straight with indisputable power, the talk turned to methods to silence me. That’s exactly what is going on in America today.

The Christians have prevailed in this discussion.

Your methods have not changed a single mind, in it's stead you have enforced the contempt that the participants feel for your flavor of religious debate.


If that was your goal, then indeed you have prevailed.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

If that was your goal, then indeed you have prevailed.

Was it the goal of the OP to win us to your side?

No.

This was a troll thread meant to belittle Christians.

My goal was to show that Christians will not be marginalized or belittled.

As we see, my opponents had no tools at their disposal to refute my Words, the only tool was to attempt silence me.

That attempt says more about their weakness than any other action.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

my god says christians are wrong and they'll go to hell. you hear anything about that in your newsletter, avocado?

 

[feralkid]

Was it the goal of the OP to win us to your side?

No.

This was a troll thread meant to belittle Christians.

My goal was to show that Christians will not be marginalized or belittled.

As we see, my opponents had no tools at their disposal to refute my Words, the only tool was to attempt silence me.

That attempt says more about their weakness than any other action.

Do you hear voices?

Just asking.

 

[BeauJangles]

Was it the goal of the OP to win us to your side?

No.

This was a troll thread meant to belittle Christians.

My goal was to show that Christians will not be marginalized or belittled.

As we see, my opponents had no tools at their disposal to refute my Words, the only tool was to attempt silence me.

That attempt says more about their weakness than any other action.

Consider how far guys like Pat Robertson have strayed from the lessons of the Bible, I think those Christians have done more than enough to marginalize themselves.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Am I the only one on this forum who will defend Pat?

It seems that this thread has also shown what the spiritual makeup of the forum is.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Was it the goal of the OP to win us to your side?

No.

This was a troll thread meant to belittle Christians.

My goal was to show that Christians will not be marginalized or belittled.

As we see, my opponents had no tools at their disposal to refute my Words, the only tool was to attempt silence me.

That attempt says more about their weakness than any other action.

You foolish little man, You did succed in one thing and one thing only , To reaffirm how dangerious Followers of the Beast are(HRCC) and how they have corrupted the message of the living word .
Our history is full of Christian like you. The Spanish inquistion . Witch hunts . War in Gods name . Sports figures points Heaven seemingly to say God is with Me . Ya right .

If a Moslem who holds the same type of Faith as You were to bend you down to your knees and Tell you to reject your Christ , You would for fear of Losing your life reject Christ . You are not like the early Christians who would rather die than reject the True words Christ did speak which are not in you.

If your words are true I can tell you true. I would rather suffer in hell than to serve in heaven . Your a sad sad little man who has no love for your brothers , Your words in this topic are empty and shallow for you think that The Living Word did speak the BS you have spewed out in this forum . I have not seen you in any case use his words in context to the message he brought not one word , For trueth is not in you only lies which you have whole heartedly excepted . Sad it is but you have sealed for eternity your fate. You talk of the unforgiveable Sin , Yet you haven't a clue what that is . But I have seen you commit that sin befor the witness in this topic your sad sad man , I will not ask or say May God have mercy on your spirit. This is a first for me . I have never witnessed a more vile man than you that lives , You put Hitler to Shame.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Thanks for taking the time to offer a response.

I appreciate your willingness to address what you don't agree with instead of trying to use forum politics to silence me.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Oh ! That was good, But a shallow attempt at humility.

 

[BeauJangles]

Am I the only one on this forum who will defend Pat?

It seems that this thread has also shown what the spiritual makeup of the forum is.

Yes, because people like him have strayed so far from the teachings of the Bible that it doesn't take overly religious people (or even Christians) to see that. Pat Robertson might claim to be close to God and following his teachings, but he conveniently ignores the parts of the Bible about humility and a sense of being humbled by the power of God. His inability to understand that the love, compassion, and forgiveness that Jesus extended to everyone, regardless of faith is further proof of his complete and blinding ignorance on the true meaning of the Bible and spirituality.

Regardless of the beliefs, values, or morals of the people of Haiti, this is a disaster of epic proportions. Thousands of people are dead and for this man to be standing up and saying "you deserved it" is probably one of the most despicable things any man, woman, or child of any faith or creed could possibly do.

 

[Ozoned]

My goal was to show that Christians will not be marginalized or belittled.

And yet you managed to do it yourself.





"Originally Posted by Avvocato Effetti
And now the conclusion.

The OP came on with great glee to proclaim that another stupid Christian out there was weighing in.

As the rest of the posters weighed in, the theme of Christians an a fringe group of people emerged.

After I arrived and set the record straight with indisputable power, the talk turned to methods to silence me. That’s exactly what is going on in America today.

The Christians have prevailed in this discussion."
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Your methods have not changed a single mind, in it's stead you have enforced the contempt that the participants feel for your flavor of religious debate.



I don't think you are walking in the path of a real god IF you believe that Pat Robertson should be defended for his ludicrous religious rhetoric about the Haita earthquake. As splintered as the Christian faith has become, the huge majority of it will not defend it either.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Avvocato Effetti

Isn't it obvious by now that no one but you will defend Robertson?

You are the oddball here. Everyone else thinks he sounded like the ass he often is. His own people are trying to back peddle on it already. You might want to re-think your position if even he won't stand by it after all of the flack he caught about it.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

sn't it obvious by now that no one but you will defend Robertson?

I won't be changing my position. I will be noting the disloyalty by those on those forum who "claim" to be Christians.

It seems that these "Christians" are trying to curry some sort of favor with the leadership at the expense of Christ.

 

[Ns1]

religion. LOL

 

[Ozoned]

I won't be changing my position. I will be noting the disloyalty by those on those forum who "claim" to be Christians.

It seems that these "Christians" are trying to curry some sort of favor with the leadership at the expense of Christ.

So Christ like??????

 

[BeauJangles]

I won't be changing my position. I will be noting the disloyalty by those on those forum who "claim" to be Christians.

It seems that these "Christians" are trying to curry some sort of favor with the leadership at the expense of Christ.

I'm not a Christian (I'm completely non-religious and non-spiritual) and I think I know more about what the Bible has to say than Pat Robertson. At the very least I don't twist it for my own deranged political and social agenda.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

What if the person being pilloried here was your son, daughter, brother sister, mother or father?

What if that person was known to you to be of the highest quality of character? What if that person had spent a lifetime helping people and advancing the cause of Christ?

What if this topic was brought up in a place known to be hostile to the cause of Christ in a way to belittle Jesus?

You people have over played your hand.

 

[BeauJangles]

What if the person being pilloried here was your son, daughter, brother sister, mother or father?

What if that person was known to you to be of the highest quality of character? What if that person had spent a lifetime helping people and advancing the cause of Christ?

What if this topic was brought up in a place known to be hostile to the cause of Christ in a way to belittle Jesus?

You people have over played your hand.

People are people, regardless of their beliefs. I would support disaster relief efforts in Yemen, China, or any other country that was ideologically, religiously, or culturally opposed to the United States. Suffering of this magnitude transcends those issues.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Am I the only one on this forum who will defend Pat?

It seems that this thread has also shown what the spiritual makeup of the forum is.

there's a difference between defending christianity and defending an obvious nutjob who claims to be christian.

christianity (and catholicism in particular) tend to get bashed and most people are ok with it. pat robertson's claims, OTOH, are as far from true christianity as a muslim terrorist waging jihad against an infidel is from true islam (yes, i realize pat robertson is an old man who isn't going to blow himself up any time soon, but the abuse of the true spirit of religion to justify goals/statements is equal)

no one *should* defend pat robertson.

and fwiw, i am christian (catholic)

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Oh ! That was good, But a shallow attempt at humility.

It takes courage to respond to the concepts that I bring. When someone is reasonable and willing to discuss, so am I. When they come on with the charge of troll, accusing me of being a past banned member (without proof), ridiculing me personally, going on a campaign to get others to put me on ignore, etc., they show themselves to be candidates for an uncompromising put down.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

People are people, regardless of their beliefs. I would support disaster relief efforts in Yemen, China, or any other country that was ideologically, religiously, or culturally opposed to the United States. Suffering of this magnitude transcends those issues.

Agreed.

 

[Ozoned]

What if the person being pilloried here was your son, daughter, brother sister, mother or father?

Wrong is wrong. I will tell them when they are wrong and defend them when they are right.

What if that person was known to you to be of the highest quality of character? What if that person had spent a lifetime helping people and advancing the cause of Christ?

A man is not measured by only his good deeds.

What if this topic was brought up in a place known to be hostile to the cause of Christ in a way to belittle Jesus?

If you allow yourself to be drug into the battle on the battle ground that your opponent has choosen, you are going to loose.

 

[Steeplerot]

I am God's son.

And I am Lenin himself, who wants to be Napoleon?

 

[Moonbeam]

My dear Avvocato Effetti, there are several things I would like to be clear:

I am not the slightest bit interested in you being banned. I believe the the truth and the good and that it has its own internal justice. It can't be given to those who do not deserve it and can't be kept from those who do.

Furthermore, I believe there is one truth that covers all men and that it's not about religion or psychology or magic or anything but is that which adheres to a state of being, an awakening into being that stops time.

I believe this truth has been discovered thought all time by people of every culture and every race and from the worshiper stone, the shaman, the monk the fakir and yoga, etc.

All of these folk come back to the people with a message of something transcendent and that becomes the many many religions that the egos of the deluded turn in to the millions of only ways.

And these millions of folk who practice one of the multitudes on only ways in their still sick need to feel special, contest with each other over who has the one and only truth. and set about to kill each other in the name of God.

It is this hideous feature of your brand of Christianity, this insistence of being special, that only you via your way can arrive at the truth, and only because a book written by men who were sick and did not have the truth wrote it down as such, this joke that you use all the time, 'it is written' as if that were worth more than a pile of shit, it is that, the exclusivity that I abhor, because it leads to nothing but division and conflict.

It takes a very stupid and gullible mind, in my opinion, to read what is in a book, and think that what is in that book changes what is seen by the eye. When we look at the world we can see many many folk who have brought the same message of love, the same realization of a transcendent state, who are in this world but not of it, and from whom the light of truth shines forth.

And in an age when globalization has thrown all these folk with the only truth together, one group will kill everybody who is heretical or we will have endless war. This is the insanity you bring to the world because you and only you and yours know the only truth. From your truth we will get nothing but infinite evil.

So I ask you the same question you have asked. When a man with a message that brings nothing but war and death comes to the table, do you welcome him? What is a messenger of love that brings only hate. I don't say 'it is written' because I see it with my own eyes and history is overflowing with it.

You are a fool who has attached himself to externals, to the bridge that was a way and for some still can be. You have made that bridge ugly.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Wrong is wrong. I will tell them when they are wrong and defend them when they are right.

Have you taken some time to study the history of Haiti before condemning Pat? I have. Wikipedia information indicates that the conclusion Pat draws is very likely the case. Pat also made it very clear that he believes we should come to the aid of Haiti. The adversaries on this forum have found that a convenient fact to ignore.

If you are a Christian, I believe you and me have a big enough challenge ahead simply maintaining our freedom. Do we really need to publicly excoriate Pat?

A man is not measured by only his good deeds.

That's a fair statement.

If you allow yourself to be drug into the battle on the battle ground that your opponent has choosen, you are going to loose.

If you read my posts you will find that I was under no illusion that I would convince historically opposing members that Pat was right. I am also interested in "preaching to the choir" so to speak. Giving a little poke to the Christians on this forum that let a Brother in Christ take this flack without an answer is also productive.