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Parody of Anti-Rape Posters Causes Controversy

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Whisper said:
Which is that sexual assault is something males need to do a better job of owning and attempting to prevent
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Why should men be more responsible? The situation in question here isn't a gender issue, but an alcohol/substance issue. Yes, rape is absolutely wrong and I have nothing but empathy for someone who is overpowered/drugged/whatever and has to endure that.

But to me, when you go out and get drunk you're willingly walking into a minefield. I don't really feel bad when you step on one. The victim is the victim, but they aren't blameless. If someone walks through the bad part of town and gets mugged, don't you think they're somewhat responsible for not putting themself in that situation to begin with? If someone goes on vacation to Egypt or Brazil or Somalia or any other tumultuous country and gets hurt, isn't that part of the risk they implicitly accepted (even if they didn't consider it)? If someone gets drunk and trashes your room, aren't they still accountable? At some point the victim shares responsibility simply by willingly rescinding control and making bad decisions, alcohol is not absolution.
 
Daedalus685 said:
No they don't. Please explain to me how the non troll posters get that message across.

The poster in the article at the top is one of the troll posters. All of the posters with "don't be that girl" are from the "male" group. The original said "Just because she is drunk doesn't me she wants to f**k".

There was no mention of lack of personal responsibility.
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The message is a stupid one, it's directed at men and sheds responsibility for the women. The correct message to prevent these kinds of 'rape' should be, "Women, if you don't want to make stupid decisions that you'll regret like fucking a stranger, don't get drunk."
 
Daedalus685 said:
No they don't. Please explain to me how the non troll posters get that message across.

The poster in the article at the top is one of the troll posters. All of the posters with "don't be that girl" are from the "male" group. The original said "Just because she is drunk doesn't me she wants to f**k".

There was no mention of lack of personal responsibility.
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You're fucking kidding me, right? The poster states, and I quote, "Women who drink are not responsible for their actions."

By that retarded logic alone, you could easily say that if consuming alcohol makes you not responsible for your actions, then men are not responsible for their actions (which would be as equally asinine).

The whole campaign is sending a bad message. I'm not saying that there isn't a problem that needs to be addressed, I'm just saying that this is a really poor way of addressing it.
 
MisterJackson said:
You're fucking kidding me, right? The poster states, and I quote, "Women who drink are not responsible for their actions."

By that retarded logic alone, you could easily say that if consuming alcohol makes you not responsible for your actions, then men are not responsible for their actions (which would be as equally asinine).

The whole campaign is sending a bad message. I'm not saying that there isn't a problem that needs to be addressed, I'm just saying that this is a really poor way of addressing it.
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That poster is one of the fake posters made by the male group.... Notice how the note on the bottom says "Don't be that girl".

The actual campaign was "Don't be that Guy" and the poster said exactly what I stated in the post you quoted. Read the article before you rage.

DrunkenSano said:
The message is a stupid one, it's directed at men and sheds responsibility for the women. The correct message to prevent these kinds of 'rape' should be, "Women, if you don't want to make stupid decisions that you'll regret like fucking a stranger, don't get drunk."
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It doesn't shed responsibility for women. All it says is that drunkenness is not consent so don't be a tool and assume it does (If you can't say yes you can't consent). It does not necessarily mean rape either. Humans in general need to not be such drunk fools. But the point is not about the one night regrettable stands and calling them all rape. It is about the tools that assume drunk = no pants party. All of this "if you regret it don't just call it rape" talk is spurred only by the satirical posters, not the original ones. Mission accomplished I suppose (and how since it was covered by national media here in Canada).
 
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As detestable a crime as rape is, the accused is still innocent until proven guilty. It's the corner stone of our justice system. There are a lot of women's rights activists who seem eager to do away with the middle man and send any man accused of rape straight to jail.

The message in these posters is tactless though still true. Sometimes women falsely accuse men of rape, and we must keep that in mind when prosecuting these cases. A false accusation can be devastating. You either go to prison for a crime you didn't commit, or spend the rest of your life labelled as the guy who got away with it. It's estimated that about 2% of cases are false.

That said any man who takes advantage of a drunk girl is a pig.
 
nehalem256 said:
I think they are upset because the parody posters hit so close to the truth.

If a man and a woman are both drinking at a party/bar and then have sex it is crazy to suggest that only one of them was raped.
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Ya right, let see how crazy you jury thinks it is.

Let me give you a bit of advice, don't get drunk and screw drunk women, it's a life choice you may come to regret.
 
Daedalus685 said:
That poster is one of the fake posters made by the male group.... Notice how the note on the bottom says "Don't be that girl".

The actual campaign was "Don't be that Guy" and the poster said exactly what I stated in the post you quoted. Read the article before you rage.



It doesn't shed responsibility for women. All it says is that drunkenness is not consent so don't be a tool and assume it does (If you can't say yes you can't consent). It does not necessarily mean rape either. Humans in general need to not be such drunk fools. But the point is not about the one night regrettable stands and calling them all rape. It is about the tools that assume drunk = no pants party. All of this "if you regret it don't just call it rape" talk is spurred only by the satirical posters, not the original ones. Mission accomplished I suppose (and how since it was covered by national media here in Canada).
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I assumed, incorrectly, that the first was the original and the second was the parody. I didn't read the article, because frankly I don't give enough fucks to want to read it. The notion that a girl drinking isn't responsible for her actions is actually a very common and pervasive thought process, so assuming that was the legit poster wasn't too far from center. Lastly, don't tell me what to do.
 
MisterJackson said:
I assumed, incorrectly, that the first was the original and the second was the parody. I didn't read the article, because frankly I don't give enough fucks to want to read it. The notion that a girl drinking isn't responsible for her actions is actually a very common and pervasive thought process, so assuming that was the legit poster wasn't too far from center. Lastly, don't tell me what to do.
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Fine, rage all you want...

#Fucksgiven = #postsinthread*Rage :awe:

There is likely a troll constant in there too to account for faux rage and neffing
 
Number1 said:
Ya right, let see how crazy you jury thinks it is.

Let me give you a bit of advice, don't get drunk and screw drunk women, it's a life choice you may come to regret.
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So you are saying that if a drunk man and woman have sex together only one of them is a rapist? 🙄

Why do you think women should be treated like children?
 
Canadian Law is very clear: if you are under the influence of alcohol, you cannot give consent to sex.

If both the guy and the girl are drunk, then logically, neither one can give consent. So that means either no one was raped or they both raped each other. To hold the guy exclusively responsible is a logical absurdity.
 
Iron Woode said:
Canadian Law is very clear: if you are under the influence of alcohol, you cannot give consent to sex.

If both the guy and the girl are drunk, then logically, neither one can give consent. So that means either no one was raped or they both raped each other. To hold the guy exclusively responsible is a logical absurdity.
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Iron Woode said:
Canadian Law is very clear: if you are under the influence of alcohol, you cannot give consent to sex.

If both the guy and the girl are drunk, then logically, neither one can give consent. So that means either no one was raped or they both raped each other. To hold the guy exclusively responsible is a logical absurdity.
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The fact that some people apparently cannot grasp that idea is why the parody posters need to be put up.
 
Wow. The original was more derogatory toward women than the mock-up. So women become children or retarded people when they drink. The flip side of that is that men are always responsible for their actions no matter what. Ergo Men = better

Edit: Oh wait a minute... 😳
 
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Daedalus685 said:
I'm sure there are some cases, somewhere, of someone faking a sexual assault for whatever disturbed reasons they may do that.

But seriously?
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I can think of 5 women who have told me they have been raped. Once said twice, so six instances. Four out of six instances had stories that didn't seem to line up. Two of the women went on to willingly have relationships with the guys they claimed had raped them.
 
Iron Woode said:
Canadian Law is very clear: if you are under the influence of alcohol, you cannot give consent to sex.

If both the guy and the girl are drunk, then logically, neither one can give consent. So that means either no one was raped or they both raped each other. To hold the guy exclusively responsible is a logical absurdity.
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If that is the actual definition, then my wife and I have raped each other, most of the time simultaneously, but there are probably a few instances of one on the other (both ways).
 
DAGTA said:
I can think of 5 women who have told me they have been raped. Once said twice, so six instances. Four out of six instances had stories that didn't seem to line up. Two of the women went on to willingly have relationships with the guys they claimed had raped them.
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Hearsay is not evidence... Also, there is a world of difference between "this D-bag raped me" as a statement made to friends to try and rationalize a poor choice and actually getting them charged fraudulently. Slander is certainly not something to be condoned and lying that someone assaulted them should not be accepted.

The guys you know should report the women to the police or sue them for slander, not make derogatory posters about it to belittle a legitimate campaign that aims to reduce assault.
 
Daedalus685 said:
Hearsay is not evidence... Also, there is a world of difference between "this D-bag raped me" as a statement made to friends to try and rationalize a poor choice and actually getting them charged fraudulently. Slander is certainly not something to be condoned and lying that someone assaulted them should not be accepted.

The guys you know should report the women to the police or sue them for slander, not make derogatory posters about it to belittle a legitimate campaign that aims to reduce assault.
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Do you really think a poster is going to stop an actual rapist?
 
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