Parents in MA say school is overstepping for trying to get students to attend school

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If the parents would get their lazy ass kids out of bed and get them to school, they wouldn't have the issue.

As far as the principal visiting the homes, he has no right to do that at all. Truancy officers are hired for this exact purpose. But it all starts with the parents...
 

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If the parents would get their lazy ass kids out of bed and get them to school, they wouldn't have the issue.
I've heard of parents being too lazy to drop their kids off at school. Sometimes its not the kids' fault.

As far as the principal visiting the homes, he has no right to do that at all. Truancy officers are hired for this exact purpose. But it all starts with the parents...
The ideal situation would be for the parents come to the school.
 

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As far as the principal visiting the homes, he has no right to do that at all. Truancy officers are hired for this exact purpose. But it all starts with the parents...

Yes, that horrible principal infringing on... what exactly? Are you saying a truant officer could go to a kid's house, but a principal cannot? How does that make sense?
 

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I would rather see the state fine parents however much the school loses when their kid doesn't attend.
 

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Let me guess, these parents look up to Sarah Palin as model?

My guess would be Jesse Jackson.

EDIT: Did a little checking up on the Demographics. Most likely it's Barney Frank. The area is overwhelmingly of Portuguese decent and are Democrats. Boo!
 
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Quite frankly attendance policies are authoritarian bullshit anyway. School is about learning. If a kid is learning nothing else matters. If they're not, then punish them for not learning, and nothing else.
 

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My guess would be Jesse Jackson.

EDIT: Did a little checking up on the Demographics. Most likely it's Barney Frank. The area is overwhelmingly of Portuguese decent and are Democrats. Boo!

Palin has slut for daughter; wedlock daughter. Fits the bill!
 

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Quite frankly attendance policies are authoritarian bullshit anyway. School is about learning. If a kid is learning nothing else matters. If they're not, then punish them for not learning, and nothing else.




Exactly, just like showing up to work every day on time, totally authoritarian.
 
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Exactly, just like showing up to work every day on time, totally authoritarian.

If the purpose of the 'work' is to be there, then that's not the same thing. If the purpose is to get a certain amount of work done, then actually I think it's a pretty good comparison. When I worked security I had to be there on time to relieve someone, so that there was someone on duty at all times. The 'work' is just being there. When I fix computers the 'work' is making the computers function correctly. When I do the work isn't relevant in the least.

School isn't about being in school, it's about learning. One does NOT require the other. So long as you fulfill the PURPOSE, methodology is moot.
 

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Quite frankly attendance policies are authoritarian bullshit anyway. School is about learning. If a kid is learning nothing else matters. If they're not, then punish them for not learning, and nothing else.

So, on one hand, people think schools and their faculty should be accountable for performance of the students & should shoulder all the blame for poor performance. And, on the other hand, we have people who feel that schools shouldn't do anything to get the students into the classrooms?

*sigh*
 
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So, on one hand, people think schools and their faculty should be accountable for performance of the students & should shoulder all the blame for poor performance. And, on the other hand, we have people who feel that schools shouldn't do anything to get the students into the classrooms?

*sigh*


People are stupid. Policy shouldn't be based on stupid. While we obviously want teachers to attempt and provide an optimal learning environment, 100% of the responsibility for learning or not learning rests in the child, and no one else.

Of course students should be encouraged to attend. If they demonstrate that they are able to achieve the objectives of school (ie learning) with lower attendance than others, I see no logical argument for pursuing them. So long as they are made aware of their choices, and any consequences, the rest is up to them.
 

Texashiker

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Only in America. But my guess is that the parents complaining aren't your model parents anyways so having to deal with school officials is an inconvenience to them and they couldn't care less if their kids went to school or not.

My 2 youngest kids live with my ex-wife, both kids miss an average of 18 days of school a year.

When I call the school to ask why action has not been taken against my ex-wife for the kids missing so many days, they tell me there is nothing they can do. The school has around 5,000 students in it, and there are not employees at the school to deal with all of the students who miss time.

I pay my school taxes, so I expect those kids to be in some form of school. If their not, the parents need to be punished for wasting my tax dollars.
 

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When I call the school to ask why action has not been taken against my ex-wife for the kids missing so many days, they tell me there is nothing they can do. The school has around 5,000 students in it, and there are not employees at the school to deal with all of the students who miss time.

I encourage people to look up the ratio of truant officers to students. It's not uncommon for there to be 1 truant officer for a district of over 6,000+ students or for a lot of smaller districts to share a single officer
 

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So, on one hand, people think schools and their faculty should be accountable for performance of the students & should shoulder all the blame for poor performance. And, on the other hand, we have people who feel that schools shouldn't do anything to get the students into the classrooms?

*sigh*

Pretty much
 

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I encourage people to look up the ratio of truant officers to students. It's not uncommon for there to be 1 truant officer for a district of over 6,000+ students or for a lot of smaller districts to share a single officer


There are places which still have Truant Officers??


Really!?!?
 

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Attendance issues are the #1 problem teachers face. You simply can't teach someone that's not there. I agree with PrinceofWands in that these kids should not be counted against a teacher's "average" but the fact is, they are and I'd be wiling to bet 99.999% of them are not getting smarter or learning at home. They're a drag on the entire system.
 

Texashiker

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So, on one hand, people think schools and their faculty should be accountable for performance of the students & should shoulder all the blame for poor performance.

Considering that schools teach "1" way - yes, schools should be held accountable. People learn 2 ways - reading and doing. Schools only teach towards kids that learn by reading.

When a child needs a hands on approach, the child is diagnosed with ADHD and given drugs to make him/her sit down and shutup.

So yea, as long as school cater towards 1 type of learning ability, they need to be blamed when kids fall behind or do not want to go to school.


They're a drag on the entire system.

The way that most teachers teach is a drag on kids - not the other way around.
 
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Considering that schools teach "1" way - yes, schools should be held accountable. People learn 2 ways - reading and doing. Schools only teach towards kids that learn by reading.

When a child needs a hands on approach, the child is diagnosed with ADHD and given drugs to make him/her sit down and shutup.

So yea, as long as school cater towards 1 type of learning ability, they need to be blamed when kids fall behind or do not want to go to school.

The way that most teachers teach is a drag on kids - not the other way around.


Actually people learning multiple ways: hearing, seeing (ie reading), doing (debate, teaching, projects), relating (analogy, example), outcome based (dealing with the purpose before the points, or results before the process), etc. However I agree with your point: school policies are incapable of creating a positive learning environment for all students. Just getting students in the door is therefore useless in the grand scheme of things.