Pardon me but isn't Marxistism dead?

[whm1974]

OK I've been seeing Prager U ads popping up accusing modern liberals of being Marxists never mind that other then a few current members of the far left, they don't even identify as Marxist. Jordan Peterson really uses the word a lot when describing anyone who isn't a right wringer.

So why are the Right, especially the Far Right still using this way overused term that very rarely applies in the modern World?

 

[Vic]

See sig.

 

[Jaskalas]

So why are the Right, especially the Far Right still using this way overused term that very rarely applies in the modern World?

They suffer a severe form of detachment from reality, and invite us all to join them in madness.

 

[hal2kilo]

You might ask a Venezulan that question.

 

[UNCjigga]

Marxistism is long dead, but Marxistentialism is on the rise.

 

[whm1974]

Marxistism is long dead, but Marxistentialism is on the rise.

What is that? First time I've heard of it.

 

[Vic]

You might ask a Venezulan that question.

When the alt-right speaks of marxism, they're usually not referring economic marxism or socialism, but to 'cultural marxism,' which is actually their codephrase for the liberal ideals of social justice and civil rights. That's why an anti-feminist like Peterson is constantly referring to feminists as marxists.

 

[whm1974]

When the alt-right speaks of marxism, they're usually not referring economic marxism or socialism, but to 'cultural marxism,' which is actually their codephrase for the liberal ideals of social justice and civil rights. That's why an anti-feminist like Peterson is constantly referring to feminists as marxists.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Marxism considers people to be cogs in the machinery of the Collective? The last time I read actual Marxist material it sounded something similar to the Borg or a Hive of insects.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Marxism considers people to be cogs in the machinery of the Collective? The last time I read actual Marxist material it sounded something similar to the Borg or a Hive of insects.

Marxism's point is to try to make a "classless" society.
It could be interpreted to be "collectivist."

I think Vic was pointing out the doublespeak used by the right.
Soon, the mantra on the right will be "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength."

 

[whm1974]

Marxism's point is to try to make a "classless" society.
It could be interpreted to be "collectivist."

I think Vic was pointing out the doublespeak used by the right.
Soon, the mantra on the right will be "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength."

1984 was meant as a warning not as a training manual.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

When the alt-right speaks of marxism, they're usually not referring economic marxism or socialism, but to 'cultural marxism,' which is actually their codephrase for the liberal ideals of social justice and civil rights. That's why an anti-feminist like Peterson is constantly referring to feminists as marxists.

Redistribution of wealth isn't capitalism. It isn't liberal. It isn't social justice. It isn't civil rights.

It is fucking Marxism in a nutshell.... And it is pretty rampant amongst the left - not just the "alt-left"

 

[Perknose]

Marxistism is long dead, but Marxistentialism is on the rise.

What is that? First time I've heard of it.

You never forget your first time! Do you feel that tug on your leg? It's being pulled.

You never heard of Marxistentialism because, like Marxistism, it doesn't exist.

Marxism still exists . . . at least as an operant idea.

 

[IronWing]

Redistribution of wealth isn't capitalism. It isn't liberal. It isn't social justice. It isn't civil rights.

It is fucking Marxism in a nutshell.... And it is pretty rampant amongst the left - not just the "alt-left"

"Redistribution of wealth" is really just a different way of dividing up the fruits of labor. Capitalism says that employers get to skim off the top (basically rent collecting). Marxism says that the workers collectively decide how to allocate the fruits of their labor (yes, I know that this has never actaully happened in any supposedly Marxist economy). Socialism looks for a balance between the needs of the workers and the need to create capital.

 

[whm1974]

Redistribution of wealth isn't capitalism. It isn't liberal. It isn't social justice. It isn't civil rights.

It is fucking Marxism in a nutshell.... And it is pretty rampant amongst the left - not just the "alt-left"

And yet it seems that from time to time some Redistribution of Wealth is necessary to prevent widespread and ingrained poverty.

 

[Perknose]

Redistribution of wealth isn't capitalism.

But unrestricted capitalism makes it necessary.

It isn't social justice.

Actually, that's exactly what it is.

It is fucking Marxism in a nutshell...

Yessss . . . because, as we all can see, the redistribution of wealth rampant in our system has led to a completely classless society.

 

[Vic]

Redistribution of wealth isn't capitalism. It isn't liberal. It isn't social justice. It isn't civil rights.

It is fucking Marxism in a nutshell.... And it is pretty rampant amongst the left - not just the "alt-left"

Social justice and civil rights aren't about the redistribution of wealth. You literally just proved my point without even realizing it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You never forget your first time! Do you feel that tug on your leg? It's being pulled.

You never heard of Marxistentialism because, like Marxistism, it doesn't exist.

Marxism still exists . . . at least as an operant idea.

Dag gummit, beat me to the punch, or Judy if you prefer.

 

[Vic]

And yet it seems that from time to time some Redistribution of Wealth is necessary to prevent widespread and ingrained poverty.

In economics, Marxism isn't an ideology calling for redistribution of wealth, as it is in politics, but a theory that describes how economic conditions can impact such political change. Basically, Marx predicted that when economic inequality reaches a certain tipping point, the working class will rise up with pitchforks (if you will) against the leisure rich (in what he called the dictatorship of the proletariat). I don't agree with much of Marxist theory, but thus far, that prediction has proven remarkably accurate.

Something a lot of people don't know is that Marx was just as influential in capitalism as he was in communism. He even coined the word capitalism. Before Marx, capitalism was called liberalism.

 

[Moonbeam]

When the alt-right speaks of marxism, they're usually not referring economic marxism or socialism, but to 'cultural marxism,' which is actually their codephrase for the liberal ideals of social justice and civil rights. That's why an anti-feminist like Peterson is constantly referring to feminists as marxists.

Or you could say:

When the alt-right speaks of Marxism, they're usually not referring economic Marxism or socialism, but to 'cultural Marxism,' which is actually their code phrase for the liberal ideals of social justice and civil rights. That's why an anti-Marxist feminist like Peterson is constantly differentiating extremist feminists who embrace Marxists ideology into their feminism demanding equality of outcome from a feminism that seeks equality of opportunity.

 

[Victorian Gray]

nm

 

[Vic]

Or you could say:

When the alt-right speaks of Marxism, they're usually not referring economic Marxism or socialism, but to 'cultural Marxism,' which is actually their code phrase for the liberal ideals of social justice and civil rights. That's why an anti-Marxist feminist like Peterson is constantly differentiating extremist feminists who embrace Marxists ideology into their feminism demanding equality of outcome from a feminism that seeks equality of opportunity.

Maybe he is making that differentiation, but the alt-right that loves him isn't. They see all 'leftists' as marxists.

Redistribution of wealth isn't capitalism. It isn't liberal. It isn't social justice. It isn't civil rights.

It is fucking Marxism in a nutshell.... And it is pretty rampant amongst the left - not just the "alt-left"

Case in point.

 

[sdifox]

OK I've been seeing Prager U ads popping up accusing modern liberals of being Marxists never mind that other then a few current members of the far left, they don't even identify as Marxist. Jordan Peterson really uses the word a lot when describing anyone who isn't a right wringer.

So why are the Right, especially the Far Right still using this way overused term that very rarely applies in the modern World?

Cuz reality does not line up with propaganda.

 

[BurnItDwn]

a completely classless society.

The USA has " no class" mostly on account of our corrupt self serving politicians and our legal extortion and bribery system set up by corrupt oligarchs in the interests of ownership of the politicians. It doesn't help that much of our mass media is simply corporate propaganda used to exploit the people.

Ohh, sorry, that's the wrong definition of "class."

 

[Moonbeam]

Maybe he is making that differentiation, but the alt-right that loves him isn't. They see all 'leftists' as marxists.

Case in point.

Just saying, I wouldn’t judge Jesus by looking at Christians and fundamentalist Christians in particular. I think Peterson is judged that way and when I listen to him, I can’t see it. I am also intrigued by why that is.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Claims to be against wealth distribution, is ok with distributing wealth from the poor to the rich.