Paranoia=Justified, Igorance is The Enemy

[Virgorising]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...l?utm_hp_ref=technology&utm_hp_ref=technology

Enjoy yr Google, boys and girls.

 

[Jeff7]

Of 4,781 respondents, 51 percent replied "yes" when asked if those three companies, plus Apple, Microsoft and Twitter, were pushing too far and expanding into too many areas of people's lives.

I wonder how many of the remaining 49% have no idea of just how much information these large companies are collecting, and how much they want to collect.

From the online beacons/trackers/cookies everywhere, to smart TVs that quietly send an index of all your files back to their home office to be sold to advertisers - they want everything they can possibly get.

And it doesn't matter if they're not collecting your name. They'll still be able to identify your online fingerprint from your various habits - and freely make information available to the government.



There are more than 4000 things that are federal crimes. You're 100% certain that you're not violating any of them?
You did report your Use Tax figures correctly, right?

 

[Virgorising]

I wonder how many of the remaining 49% have no idea of just how much information these large companies are collecting, and how much they want to collect.

That's the scariest part to me: my feeling is they are CLUELESS. They are just all about lusting after cutting edge toys, often just for what they represent re imagery and status via commerce....and the reality eludes them.

Product placement in movies contributes, make no mistake.

But also scary, those who do have some idea, the 51% seem not to care!

 

[Kyle]

I guess I'm in the group that doesn't care....I have nothing to hide and I really doubt anyone gives a shit what I search for or email about.

 

[JManInPhoenix]

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you - Joseph Heller

 

[Ruptga]

I guess I'm in the group that doesn't care....I have nothing to hide and I really doubt anyone gives a shit what I search for or email about.

You think you have nothing to hide, but as access to data expands so does the feeling that we need to do something with it. That feelings results in people being put on lists because they happened to be near another person (on another list) when they made a few phone calls. That's what they are doing with our metadata today.

Think about it in terms of your workplace. You probably do decent work, but at some point you've probably also been singled out and reported by some useless busybody. Innocence is no guarantee that you won't be accused.

 

[Virgorising]

I guess I'm in the group that doesn't care....I have nothing to hide and I really doubt anyone gives a shit what I search for or email about.

Interesting. I have nothing to hide either----cept from identity thieves----but I care a lot.

Right to Privacy is a nuclear issue, forget protected by our Constitution. Well, it's not mentioned directly but clearly implied in no less than SIX Amendments.

And, what our technology makes possible increasingly is unprecedented in human history.

This is a dangerous world, make no mistake.

 

[Ruptga]

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you - Joseph Heller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-lJZiqZaGA&feature=kp

 

[Virgorising]

You think you have nothing to hide, but as access to data expands so does the feeling that we need to do something with it. That feelings results in people being put on lists because they happened to be near another person (on another list) when they made a few phone calls. That's what they are doing with our metadata today.

Think about it in terms of your workplace. You probably do decent work, but at some point you've probably also been singled out and reported by some useless busybody. Innocence is no guarantee that you won't be accused.

:thumbsup:

 

[Jeff7]

I guess I'm in the group that doesn't care....I have nothing to hide and I really doubt anyone gives a shit what I search for or email about.

Would you volunteer to have someone you don't know follow you around 24/7?

Please also post your login information for any online services that you currently pay money for, or places where you might have money invested.
Let's see, what else...
Complete name, address, SS#, bank card#, PIN#, and Internet search history.
How about any kids? Do they play anywhere outside? What time?
When is your house or apartment usually unoccupied?
Any interesting medications? Fetishes?



It would take no more than 5 minutes of questioning before someone with "nothing to hide" would become uncomfortable. Or quite possibly less than 1 minute.

Just remember that "nothing" is a very wide-reaching term.

 

[gorcorps]

I care just a tiny bit. Just enough to have an idea what I'm sharing, but not enough to change my habits.

If I stop using Google products it'll be because something else works better, not because I don't want them getting my stuff. Until then I'll happily use Gmail, Voice, Android, Google Maps, and upload my music collection to Google music. If they want some data in exchange for all those free services, I think it's fair.

 

[Kyle]

Think about it in terms of your workplace. You probably do decent work, but at some point you've probably also been singled out and reported by some useless busybody. Innocence is no guarantee that you won't be accused.

No that's never happened to me...I do good work and have had no issues w/ regards to my work. As far as my personal emails/search history etc- again, I have no worries if someone goes through that. I know I'm in the minority, but I really am not concerned.

 

[Kyle]

Would you volunteer to have someone you don't know follow you around 24/7?

Please also post your login information for any online services that you currently pay money for, or places where you might have money invested.
Let's see, what else...
Complete name, address, SS#, bank card#, PIN#, and Internet search history.
How about any kids? Do they play anywhere outside? What time?
When is your house or apartment usually unoccupied?
Any interesting medications? Fetishes?



It would take no more than 5 minutes of questioning before someone with "nothing to hide" would become uncomfortable. Or quite possibly less than 1 minute.

Just remember that "nothing" is a very wide-reaching term.

lol what? really? Yes I know there are people out there that have access to my ssn, address, medication history etc.

 

[Kyle]

Basically I've always assumed nothing I do online is every really private- isn't that the way it's always been? ISP's keep records etc - I just assume what ever I do can be traced and always has.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

No that's never happened to me...I do good work and have had no issues w/ regards to my work. As far as my personal emails/search history etc- again, I have no worries if someone goes through that. I know I'm in the minority, but I really am not concerned.

Think about the people using the information they have about you. I'm not talking about the government, I'm talking about corporations. Do you REALLY think they have your or, anyone else's, best interests at heart? Are you comfortable with those corporations deciding what products are available, how they can be used and, how you live? If so, I don't want to live on this planet anymore. :hmm:

 

[Kyle]

Think about the people using the information they have about you. I'm not talking about the government, I'm talking about corporations. Do you REALLY think they have your or, anyone else's, best interests at heart? Are you comfortable with those corporations deciding what products are available, how they can be used and, how you live? If so, I don't want to live on this planet anymore. :hmm:

No I don't think they have my best interest at heart. But I searched for a game once on Amazon and they sent my an email when it was their daily deal for a good % off. I'm ok w/ that. Or I google a brewery on my main computer and an alert shows on my phone saying hey here's directions to that brewery if you want it. I guess for me I've just never experienced anything that's caused me any worry.

But I know there's no point arguing any of this- seems people are on one side of the fence or the other. I just don't have the same concerns as a lot of people here. Maybe I'll be proven wrong and it'll all blow up in to some horrible 1984 type shit- who knows.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

No I don't think they have my best interest at heart. But I searched for a game once on Amazon and they sent my an email when it was their daily deal for a good % off. I'm ok w/ that. Or I google a brewery on my main computer and an alert shows on my phone saying hey here's directions to that brewery if you want it. I guess for me I've just never experienced anything that's caused me any worry.

But I know there's no point arguing any of this- seems people are on one side of the fence or the other. I just don't have the same concerns as a lot of people here. Maybe I'll be proven wrong and it'll all blow up in to some horrible 1984 type shit- who knows.

I get it. The house is burning but, you're not going to worry about it til it gets to your room. As for your question, anyone who reads/follows the news "knows " that corporations will exploit any source including the safety, welfare and, economics of you and your community in search of increased profits. They will tread the edge of the law while spending huge amounts trying to get laws changed so that they can again ride that razor edge of legality because that's where the biggest profits are. Too many people think what's wrong with that? What's wrong is that unlike corporations, we don't live globally. We live in a country who's standard of living is steadily falling. But hey, you got yours, it's all good right?

 

[Fritzo]

People are funny.

"I HATE GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK TRACKING ME!!! However, I love how Google maps can navigate me to any location, storefront, and attraction with ease, and Facebook always seems to know which location tags I want to add to my posts..."

That tracking is used not only to provide the services everyone uses most, but to make the companies money through extremely fine tuned advertising. I challenge anyone to come forward with a story where something malicious happened because Facebook or Google (as a company) had tracked their location over the last decade.

These same people that are so worried about privacy also take pictures of everything they eat and post it to Instagram and then mention everything they do on a daily basis on Facebook.

 

[Virgorising]

Are you comfortable with those corporations deciding what products are available, how they can be used and, how you live? If so, I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I am now looking for another planet. When I find it, I will post.

 

[Virgorising]

If they want some data in exchange for all those free services, I think it's fair.

I believe what you are not getting here is, your definition of "FREE" doesn't exist....and assume if you don't get the plastic out, or key it in, or reach into yr pocket, you are not being charged. And, often, FAR more than you realize.

 

[Virgorising]

lol what? really? Yes I know there are people out there that have access to my ssn, address, medication history etc.

Notice, the doggie in yr avatar knows to hold the knife horizontally in his mouth. Whether he knows doing otherwise could put him in harms way is another question.

 

[raildogg]

We are blindly living our lives every single day, including me. We're taught what to learn, how to learn, when to learn. We're taught what to buy and when to buy. We're taught by society, parents, media how to behave. So we're basically robots.

We are so conditioned that I'm not sure if its even possible to break away from that condition even a little bit. We're so conditioned to go to school, get a so-called education in order to buy bigger toys, then we continue chasing these bigger and bigger toys for the rest of our lives without ever realizing what we're doing. No wonder these giant companies are exploiting people - it's because people want to be exploited.

Another thing that is hammered into people is that modernism and technology is always good and should never be questioned. However, I doubt this is the case. Technology is making lazy people (most people) even lazier and more dependent on external sources. We're slowly losing our ability to think on our own. People think that the internet is empowering them. That may be true in some areas but the internet is a giant distraction for the majority of people. It's an escape. I'm sure the giant companies know this and are devising clever plans day and night to further exploit people.

Once again, its not the fault of the companies. It's because you and I are a bunch of followers.

 

[Virgorising]

Or I google a brewery on my main computer and an alert shows on my phone saying hey here's directions to that brewery if you want it. I guess for me I've just never experienced anything that's caused me any worry.

You've never, so far experienced a downside. But it's the potential of all this invasion for ALL of us that is the issue. That, and who will preclude the invaders from acting with impunity.

Here in America, we have checks and balances in the three branches of our government for REASONS. We fought a terrible, bloody Revolution so that we did not have to live in a Monarchy.

Especially given the 49% who remain clueless about what is going on.

 

[raildogg]

People want their little gadgets, little technologies to make their lives "easier," their little entertainments. As long as these are not disturbed, they will continue to sleepwalk.

 

[purbeast0]

I guess I'm in the group that doesn't care....I have nothing to hide and I really doubt anyone gives a shit what I search for or email about.

i'm with you, i don't care at all.

also, this article is false because it says half of nation, but no one in my family was asked about it, so they clearly haven't asked the whole nation.