Paranoia=Justified, Igorance is The Enemy

[Virgorising]

I get it. The house is burning but, you're not going to worry about it til it gets to your room. As for your question, anyone who reads/follows the news "knows " that corporations will exploit any source including the safety, welfare and, economics of you and your community in search of increased profits. They will tread the edge of the law while spending huge amounts trying to get laws changed so that they can again ride that razor edge of legality because that's where the biggest profits are. Too many people think what's wrong with that? What's wrong is that unlike corporations, we don't live globally. We live in a country who's standard of living is steadily falling. But hey, you got yours, it's all good right?

:thumbsup::wub:

 

[Fritzo]

Once again, its not the fault of the companies. It's because you and I are a bunch of followers.

That "following" is called society, and organized society has led to all of the advancements that you and I enjoy everyday. Without it, we'd still be hunting food and living in trees.

 

[Virgorising]

People are funny. "I HATE GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK TRACKING ME!!! However, I love how Google maps can navigate me to any location, storefront, and attraction with ease, and Facebook always seems to know which location tags I want to add to my posts..." That tracking is used not only to provide the services everyone uses most, but to make the companies money through extremely fine tuned advertising. I challenge anyone to come forward with a story where something malicious happened because Facebook or Google (as a company) had tracked their location over the last decade. These same people that are so worried about privacy also take pictures of everything they eat and post it to Instagram and then mention everything they do on a daily basis on Facebook.

Brilliant.

Every choice requires sacrifices. The issue is to what extent someone is willing to be FAUST....and the pricetags ALL such capitulations bear.

 

[Virgorising]

That "following" is called society, and organized society has led to all of the advancements that you and I enjoy everyday. Without it, we'd still be hunting food and living in trees.

True and beside the POINT. The real issue is to what extend anyone is willing to follow BLINDLY.

You settle for being a lemming, you pay.

 

[raildogg]

Vigorisng, have you considered that the real issue might be people and not the big governments and the big corporations? We're always attacking some entity as if its separate from human beings but the fact is that human beings are responsible for all the problems we have today. And I'm sorry, I think our problems are not getting resolved but are getting more complex every day.

So lets say Google and Company Y don't monitor us any more. So what? Does that mean that people have "awakened"? Not one bit. Just look at this thread or any other thread. The amount of conditioning of people is astounding (I'm included in this). So the people remain the same as before - so the same old problems will keep on coming back, never to be resolved. The problems might be slightly different but they are still very similar. I imagine people were having these same discussions hundreds of years ago - only instead of computers and technology, they feared governments and foreign invasions and religious violence, etc. I'm sure in the future the problems will be slightly different but again, human beings will not have resolved them. Too bad we don't realize how robotic we are. It is a very very difficult thing to realize I'm sure.

 

[raildogg]

That "following" is called society, and organized society has led to all of the advancements that you and I enjoy everyday. Without it, we'd still be hunting food and living in trees.

Yes, this society is a bunch of followers. All marching towards some illusion. Lets carry on.

 

[Virgorising]

Vigorisng, have you considered that the real issue might be people and not the big governments and the big corporations? We're always attacking some entity as if its separate from human beings but the fact is that human beings are responsible for all the problems we have today. And I'm sorry, I think our problems are not getting resolved but are getting more complex every day.

So lets say Google and Company Y don't monitor us any more. So what? Does that mean that people have "awakened"? Not one bit. Just look at this thread or any other thread. The amount of conditioning of people is astounding (I'm included in this). So the people remain the same as before - so the same old problems will keep on coming back, never to be resolved. The problems might be slightly different but they are still very similar. I imagine people were having these same discussions hundreds of years ago - only instead of computers and technology, they feared governments and foreign invasions and religious violence, etc. I'm sure in the future the problems will be slightly different but again, human beings will not have resolved them. Too bad we don't realize how robotic we are. It is a very very difficult thing to realize I'm sure.

Have I considered? Does the bear poop in the forest? OMG, why U think I am size 2? I prolly don't even have to do the cardio I do, the energy I burn just CONSIDERING EVERYTHING every second....would more than suffice.

OF COURSE! The foundational power is posed to reside within WE THE PEOPLE. Right now, apart from big business and those in bed with it, it appears too much resides in The high Court, and its majority in bed with Bible Thumpers/Fundamentalists AND big business.

But, even that is our bad.....cause people either don't vote, or don't educate themselves before they vote. Or work to earn the chops to grow THEMSELVES toward enlightenment as part of a collective....as opposed to some pathetic little special interests group.

ABSOLUTELY! It's what WE ALLOW TO HAPPEN.

 

[Fritzo]

True and beside the POINT. The real issue is to what extend anyone is willing to follow BLINDLY.

You settle for being a lemming, you pay.

And if you settle for being overly paranoid, you go through life miserable and afraid.

 

[raildogg]

Have I considered? Does the bear poop in the forest? OMG, why U think I am size 2? I prolly don't even have to do the cardio I do, the energy I burn just CONSIDERING EVERYTHING every second....would more than suffice.

OF COURSE! The foundational power is posed to reside within WE THE PEOPLE. Right now, apart from big business and those in bed with it, it appears too much resides in The high Court, and its majority in bed with Bible Thumpers/Fundamentalists AND big business.

But, even that is our bad.....cause people either don't vote, or don't educate themselves before they vote. Or work to earn the chops to grow THEMSELVES toward enlightenment as part of a collective....as opposed to some pathetic little special interests group.

ABSOLUTELY! It's what WE ALLOW TO HAPPEN.

When you vote even knowledgeably, you're just choosing one corrupt person over another corrupt person. This will never solve the problems. It is easier to follow some radio guy, some religion, some internet guy or some group and take all their ideas and make them your own. This is what most people do.

You say "Work to earn the chops to grow themselves." This seems to be the hardest thing possible for human beings. I hope you mean more than educationally right?

 

[Virgorising]

When you vote even knowledgeably, you're just choosing one corrupt person over another corrupt person. This will never solve the problems. It is easier to follow some radio guy, some religion, some internet guy or some group and take all their ideas and make them your own. This is what most people do.

This species of cynicism/defeatism makes my tummy hurt. I mean it.

You say "Work to earn the chops to grow themselves." This seems to be the hardest thing possible for human beings. I hope you mean more than educationally right?

ABSOLUTELY!!!!! Formal education is only the beginning, and it should be mostly about LEARNING HOW TO LEARN and cultivating an intense passion for learning (also sharing).

And boy, did you nail it; the real journey is the hardest thing for MANY humans. But, it is also the greatest, headiest adventure and privilege IN LIFE.....and it's always centered within ourselves, in the never narcissistic way. Chasing truth and growing awareness with ruthless honesty.

 

[Virgorising]

And if you settle for being overly paranoid, you go through life miserable and afraid.

You are again being simplistic re any part of life must either be black or white.

There is justified fear and unjustified fear; there is what feels like fear in the present with an early life foundation; there are people hobbled unwittingly by being a prisoner of defenses against fear because they can not endure confusion, or are running from old terrors.....the possibilities are infinite and individual specific.

And that is also why each individual legal action brought is a unique entity despite existing case law and precedent.

But all of them require the courage to delve with commitment and ruthless honesty.

It's not about getting anything right, given, there are no guarantees; it's all about the courage to make honest efforts.

And, therein....we find the real POWER...and the real JOY.

 

[Jeff7]

lol what? really? Yes I know there are people out there that have access to my ssn, address, medication history etc.

Only the people who should have that information, correct?

How about search history? Opinions on potentially controversial things?


Just shopping online would seem creepy if it was real-life.
- Walk into Walmart. A greeter is standing there. Then you notice that he's following you through the store. Then you see a few other people from other companies also following you. They write down what you look at, which sale items you walk past, what you pick up and put back, whether or not you checked the price, and what you did finally buy.
- Next, go to Home Depot. Same thing: An employee follows you around, and you notice some of the same people from Walmart following you.
- Stop to pick up a prescription for high blood pressure. This is also noted.
- On the way home, get some Cheesy Fiesta Potatoes and a Smothered Beef Burrito at Taco Bell.
Your medical insurance company, handling copayments on the blood pressure meds, would probably love to raise your rates if they knew about Taco Bell. And you might be doing some housework on your own, which raises the chance of an injury. They're already starting to put surcharges on people who smoke. It eats into their profits, so why not do that?
I'm sure there's also hundreds of millions of dollars to be made if they could add surcharges for eating junk food, or having "dangerous" hobbies. If only there was some way of mining for that kind of information, and a good chance of getting a hefty ROI on the cost of getting it.

People are funny.

"I HATE GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK TRACKING ME!!! However, I love how Google maps can navigate me to any location, storefront, and attraction with ease, and Facebook always seems to know which location tags I want to add to my posts..."

That tracking is used not only to provide the services everyone uses most, but to make the companies money through extremely fine tuned advertising. I challenge anyone to come forward with a story where something malicious happened because Facebook or Google (as a company) had tracked their location over the last decade.

These same people that are so worried about privacy also take pictures of everything they eat and post it to Instagram and then mention everything they do on a daily basis on Facebook.

"People are way too smart. It's really impressive just how intelligent the majority of society is."
Said no one.

 

[Virgorising]

Re all of the above: I do so cherish sharp sardonicism driven by high intelliigence. And deadpan. A la Colbert.

For me, this emerged reality is very scary and very depressing.

I feel far more at the mercy of clueless members of the grass roots than I do those hell bent on the malfeasance.

This feels like a version of Global Warming.