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Paramount's going HD-DVD Exclusive

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Isn't this a futile war anyway, when by the time it's settled, hard media will be dead anyway. How long before soft files become the standard, either streaming or saved to flash, much like the ipod has done for music? I haven't bought a CD in years, and could care less if they released a "better" CD format. I'm done with storing and carrying CDs. Why should it be any different with DVDs?

An hours worth of music is anywhere from 100-300 megs and can be downloaded in a few minutes to about 30 minutes time on a normal broadband connection.

To get lossless video and sound for a movie I'm looking at like 9+ gigs of data that could take a day or two to download.

Plus the sheer storage of it is a staggering feat too.
 
Great News Everyone!!!!!


Good thing I jumped on that Toshiba HD-A2 for $199.99. I've been enjoying HD movies since and figured I would be able to for at least a little while, but now it looks I might get to enjoy HD DVD movies for much longer.
 
I really refuse to buy a HD or BR player until either:

1) one side wins
2) a dual format player gets to be the same price and affordable so everyone can afford it

Just seems ridiculous picking sides and wasting money on a player and a library of movies that may or may not be extinct. And in a few years when one side will probably eventually win, that old ass library of movies you have you'll probably never watch anyway.
 
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Isn't this a futile war anyway, when by the time it's settled, hard media will be dead anyway. How long before soft files become the standard, either streaming or saved to flash, much like the ipod has done for music? I haven't bought a CD in years, and could care less if they released a "better" CD format. I'm done with storing and carrying CDs. Why should it be any different with DVDs?

Exactly why MS (allegedly) doesn't want blu-ray to win too soon. MS is in the video downloads business and is trying to get xbox content-delivery systems into as many homes as possible.

It will be too bad if they succeed since their HD movies are medium-bitrate 720p with medium-quality audio instead of the high-bitrate audio and 1080p video of both HD-DVD and blu-ray.

Their downloads also are almost all missing subtitiles, so if you like foreign films, enjoy the dubby goodness.

As I said in the other thread you brought this up in, this is silly on many levels. MS is not competing with Blu-Ray for video downloads. They are competing with iTunes, Amazon's service, and many others...including the PS3's video download service eventually. MS is backing HD DVD because they wrote many of the tools and services that HD DVD uses much like they developed the software for AT&T's IPTV service.
 
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
The 300 HD-DVD cost $10 extra and was outsold 2-1 by the blu-ray version.

FYI, it looks like this decsion was made because of $150 million in incentives from Microsoft:
The Digital Bits - My 2 cents (8/20)

The president of Universal also admits MS is paying them:
Hollywood Hi-Def interview
"Universal president Craig Kornblau told me this week that the studio actually wants the format war to continue.
He also said Universal is getting financial incentives to create exclusive HD DVD features such as the Xbox Live component for the upcoming "Heroes" release.
"I?m not going to tell you that we don?t cut financial deals with people every day," he says."

The Blu-Ray consortium cut similar deals with its group of exclusive studios (Sony Studios excluded of course).
That wouldn't surprise me, though any deals were probably much less generous than $50 and $100 million.

If Blu-ray has paid off anyone recently, they're be paying studios to give up 1/3 of their market, while MS is allegedly paying studios to back the losing format and give up 2/3 of potential sales.

At the time, I'm sure they were less generous than what MS and Toshiba offered Paramount/Dreamworks at the present. Part of the draw of Paramount/Dreamworks is the catalog. Having Universal and Paramount/Dreamworks under the HD DVD exclusive label gives HD DVD an extremely large catalog of movies to put on top of those studios that support both formats.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Pantoot
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Thanks Paramount. For a second there, I was thinking the format war would end early.:roll:

Agreed.
HOORAY! People will not be able to watch the movies that they want and the kids will be sad.

yea really. why is exclusivity a good thing again?

Blue Ray had more exclusive deals before this, HD is just trying to level the field.

It was Sony that started this type of format exclusions.
 
LOS ANGELES, Aug. 20 ? Hollywood?s squabble over which of two technologies will replace standard DVDs reignited Monday with two studios throwing their weight behind one format and several rivals ramping up support for the other.

Paramount, part of Viacom, and the publicly held DreamWorks Animation said they would exclusively back the HD DVD format for the release of high-definition movies on disc. Among the movies the studios plan to release in the format are ?Transformers? and ?Shrek the Third.?

Until now, Paramount has released titles in both HD DVD and a competing format, Blu-ray. DreamWorks Animation has not released a movie in either.

The battle over the competing high-definition DVD technologies has sputtered in recent months as Blu-ray discs have emerged as the front-runner. Blu-ray titles are sharply outselling HD offerings, major retailers like Target are stocking only Blu-ray players, and Blockbuster recently said it would carry Blu-ray exclusively.

Last week, the Walt Disney Company said it would release one of its best-known animated movies, ?Sleeping Beauty,? on Blu-ray. ?There is no longer any doubt that Blu-ray is the clear successor to standard DVDs,? said Bob Chapek, president of Disney?s home entertainment unit.

But money talks: Paramount and DreamWorks Animation together will receive about $150 million in financial incentives for their commitment to HD DVD, according to two Viacom executives with knowledge of the deal but who asked not to be identified.

The incentives will come in a combination of cash and promotional guarantees. Toshiba, for instance, will use the release of ?Shrek the Third? as part of an HD DVD marketing campaign.

Paramount and DreamWorks Animation declined to comment. Microsoft, the most prominent technology company supporting HD DVDs, said it could not rule out payment but said it wrote no checks. ?We provided no financial incentives to Paramount or DreamWorks whatsoever,? said Amir Majidimehr, the head of Microsoft?s consumer media technology group.


The surprise move by Paramount and DreamWorks Animation prompted an immediate response from the electronics companies betting on Blu-ray.

?This seems like a move of desperation,? said Andy Parsons, a member of the Blu-ray Disc Association, which represents companies like Panasonic, Samsung and Sony.

Studios that have lined up behind Blu-ray, including Disney and 20th Century Fox, said the move would heighten consumer confusion at a point when Blu-ray appeared to be emerging as the best choice. ?This is not in the best interest of consumers,? said Mr. Chapek of Disney.

A Disney spokesman said the company might expand a new campaign to sell consumers on Blu-ray, and Fox announced plans to flood the market with 29 new Blu-ray releases.

Paramount and DreamWorks Animation described their decision to back HD DVD as part of an ?extensive evaluation of current market offerings.? The key factor was HD?s lower cost to consumers, said Rob Moore, Paramount?s president of worldwide marketing and distribution.

?What is most important to consumers is how much they are paying, and HD DVD is simply less expensive,? he said. ?Focusing on one format will also allow us to provide better content because we?re not splitting our attention.?

The two studios may have left themselves wiggle room, however. Paramount?s agreement to use only HD DVD is limited to only 18 months. And Paramount noted that no films directed by Steven Spielberg were included in the deal ?as his films are not exclusive to either format.? Mr. Spielberg is a co-founder of DreamWorks SKG, a unit of Paramount.

The rivalry between Blu-ray and HD DVD harks back to that 30 years ago between the VHS and Betamax formats for home video recording. Which high-definition technology is better has been the subject of intense debate in Hollywood for years. HD DVD players are about $200 cheaper than Blu-ray machines, but Blu-ray discs have more storage space and more advanced protections against piracy. Both versions deliver sharp resolution.

Sales of DVDs over all are expected to be especially strong this holiday season, and both sides are hoping that the battle of the high-definition formats will not cause consumers to tune out entirely, perhaps deciding that standard DVDs are good enough.

To help clear up confusion, the studios are starting marketing campaigns in partnership with the various electronics companies. The most prominent is Disney, which last week introduced something it calls the Magical Blu-ray Tour. The 40-foot exhibit, built to look like the Sleeping Beauty Castle at Disneyland, will be set up in malls in 18 cities. It features Panasonic high-definition televisions showing various Disney movies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08...f=business&oref=slogin
 
Originally posted by: mwmorph
Originally posted by: Ctrackstar126
Originally posted by: Xavier434
I haven't been following this format war because I hate these things, but I am guessing that HD will win simply because Microsoft has so much money and power to shift the market a certain direction. The difference in sales between the 360 and PS3 alone will make a big difference here.

I'd be willing to guess that Sony has just as much money to sink into hi def content.

Sony slightly outpaces Microsoft in revenue, but Microsoft makes much, much more profit each year.(about 16.6x more according to wikipedia)

Yea but I said money to sink into hi def. Microsoft couldn't invest enough into this war to muscle out Sony. They may have more assets but I was just pointing out to think that Microsoft has that much more power over Sony is just not true.
 
I just don't see how anybody can be happy about this....the more movies that end up on both formats helps the consumer....exclusive releases hurt the consumer right?
I've got blu-ray through a PS3....I still buy more dvd's than anything because I generally like indie films etc...that only come out on dvd anyway but it does suck for me to have another studio off the table for blu-ray....
Ah well all this will work itself out over time anyway....
 
I support HD-DVD because it seems like a much more logical title for the next type of media. Saying that I'm going to blockbuster to pick up an HD-DVD (maybe even eventually dropping the HD and just being called DVD's once again) seems much more normal than saying I'm going to pick up a Blu-Ray Disc. Maybe thats just me.
 
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I support HD-DVD because it seems like a much more logical title for the next type of media. Saying that I'm going to blockbuster to pick up an HD-DVD (maybe even eventually dropping the HD and just being called DVD's once again) seems much more normal than saying I'm going to pick up a Blu-Ray Disc. Maybe thats just me.

That is easily the most well reasoned argument in the thread.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I support HD-DVD because it seems like a much more logical title for the next type of media. Saying that I'm going to blockbuster to pick up an HD-DVD (maybe even eventually dropping the HD and just being called DVD's once again) seems much more normal than saying I'm going to pick up a Blu-Ray Disc. Maybe thats just me.

That is easily the most well reasoned argument in the thread.
Bwahahahahaha

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

When I want to find something on the web, I go to Search.com Google sounds too weird for me.
 
Originally posted by: bthorny
I just don't see how anybody can be happy about this....the more movies that end up on both formats helps the consumer....exclusive releases hurt the consumer right?
I've got blu-ray through a PS3....I still buy more dvd's than anything because I generally like indie films etc...that only come out on dvd anyway but it does suck for me to have another studio off the table for blu-ray....
Ah well all this will work itself out over time anyway....
Easy solution, all movies should be HD-DVD. That would make me happy and you'll only have one format. And then I can laugh at Sony. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I support HD-DVD because it seems like a much more logical title for the next type of media. Saying that I'm going to blockbuster to pick up an HD-DVD (maybe even eventually dropping the HD and just being called DVD's once again) seems much more normal than saying I'm going to pick up a Blu-Ray Disc. Maybe thats just me.

That is easily the most well reasoned argument in the thread.
Bwahahahahaha

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

When I want to find something on the web, I go to Search.com Google sounds too weird for me.

At least google is a made-up word. Blu is a real word spelled wrong. If you're going to have a stupid name for a format, at least spell it Blue-Ray for chrissakes.
 
Blu-Ray sounds "hi-tech" though. I know people who talk about HD movies, say things like "yeah so I gotta get that Blu-Ray stuff cause I need to start watching HD-DVDs" as if they are one and the same thing. The clueless consumer at it's finest.
 
Originally posted by: vi_edit
To get lossless video and sound for a movie I'm looking at like 9+ gigs of data that could take a day or two to download.

Plus the sheer storage of it is a staggering feat too.

Lossless video? Are you "encoding" in pure RGB now? 😉

HD rips of movies are usually in h264 or VC1 with AAC or AC3 sound. They typically range from 4GB to 8GB a piece ( usually classified by DVD5 or DVD9 ). It's really not that bad...
 
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I support HD-DVD because it seems like a much more logical title for the next type of media. Saying that I'm going to blockbuster to pick up an HD-DVD (maybe even eventually dropping the HD and just being called DVD's once again) seems much more normal than saying I'm going to pick up a Blu-Ray Disc. Maybe thats just me.

That is easily the most well reasoned argument in the thread.
Bwahahahahaha

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

When I want to find something on the web, I go to Search.com Google sounds too weird for me.

At least google is a made-up word. Blu is a real word spelled wrong. If you're going to have a stupid name for a format, at least spell it Blue-Ray for chrissakes.

Trademarks tend to have stuff like that happen. Far easier to trademark Blu-Ray Disc than Blue-Ray Disc.
 
this sucks

not that i am mad that HD-DVD is on the come back, im not really arsed who wins, but now its just draggin the game out. i hope we do not get to the stage where basically you have to own both systems just to watch your favourite movies. i want TF's on HD, likelyhood is my dad will go for a sony BD player to match the rest of his sony equipment. now unless i buy the HDDVD attachment or a HDDVD player.... which i cant afford...ill be out of some HD goodness.

if he got a HD-DVD player, then id get TF but probably be out some HD goodness on the other side.

unless dual format players (come on samsung!) get cheap. that would solve it.

please some one just die and let the other win. or ill just have to torrent those HD movies i cant have, mkv files are pretty nifty
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I support HD-DVD because it seems like a much more logical title for the next type of media. Saying that I'm going to blockbuster to pick up an HD-DVD (maybe even eventually dropping the HD and just being called DVD's once again) seems much more normal than saying I'm going to pick up a Blu-Ray Disc. Maybe thats just me.

That is easily the most well reasoned argument in the thread.
Bwahahahahaha

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

When I want to find something on the web, I go to Search.com Google sounds too weird for me.

At least google is a made-up word. Blu is a real word spelled wrong. If you're going to have a stupid name for a format, at least spell it Blue-Ray for chrissakes.

Trademarks tend to have stuff like that happen. Far easier to trademark Blu-Ray Disc than Blue-Ray Disc.

I see your point. But isn't HD-DVD trademarked? I don't see how it would be difficult to trademark Blue-Ray DVD. But then I'm not an obscenely high paid patent lawyer like Sony no doubt employs.
 
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: Deeko
A friend of mine just told me Michael Bay is pissed about this move and said he won't make Transformers 2 becuase of it.

Best news I've heard in a long time.
Just for kicks, here is exactly what he posted:

I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!

Bay

Link to his forum post (site is getting hammered right now).

Rock on MB. You're even cooler than I thought.
 
Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: vi_edit
To get lossless video and sound for a movie I'm looking at like 9+ gigs of data that could take a day or two to download.

Plus the sheer storage of it is a staggering feat too.

Lossless video? Are you "encoding" in pure RGB now? 😉

HD rips of movies are usually in h264 or VC1 with AAC or AC3 sound. They typically range from 4GB to 8GB a piece ( usually classified by DVD5 or DVD9 ). It's really not that bad...

Lossless just means you can convert back to the original encoding without losing any information. It doesn't mean you are coding an exact representation of the analog signal. That is not possible. Discrete values vs. non discrete values.

You didn't call him on the lossless audio, but digital audio encoding makes the sames compromises as digital video encoding. Sample rate vs frame rate. Bits per sample vs video resolution.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: vi_edit
To get lossless video and sound for a movie I'm looking at like 9+ gigs of data that could take a day or two to download.

Plus the sheer storage of it is a staggering feat too.

Lossless video? Are you "encoding" in pure RGB now? 😉

HD rips of movies are usually in h264 or VC1 with AAC or AC3 sound. They typically range from 4GB to 8GB a piece ( usually classified by DVD5 or DVD9 ). It's really not that bad...

Lossless just means you can convert back to the original encoding without losing any information. It doesn't mean you are coding an exact representation of the analog signal. That is not possible. Discrete values vs. non discrete values.

You didn't call him on the lossless audio, but digital audio encoding makes the sames compromises as digital video encoding. Sample rate vs frame rate. Bits per sample vs video resolution.

Thank you. "Lossless" in the sense that I'm not compressing it down from the original encoding provided on the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD disk.

But even at 4GB to 8GB in a compressed format, that is a huge freaking file(s) you have to pull down and store.
 
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