Panera Bread makes non-statement re: guns in their stores

[WackyDan]

"He said during the interview that the company would not post anti-gun signs in its stores or require employees to confront gun owners."

http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/08/news/companies/panera-guns-request/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Seems like a win for me. I'm going to carry at the local one tomorrow just because I legally can.

Moms Demand Action I'm sure will be dancing around claiming some sort of victory. The CEO gets to move on as they took the stance of least repercussion from the gun grabbers as well gun owners. Why bother to make a statement at all if you didn't change a damn thing?

 

[SandEagle]

its a trap

 

[theeedude]

"He said during the interview that the company would not post anti-gun signs in its stores or require employees to confront gun owners."

http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/08/news/companies/panera-guns-request/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Seems like a win for me. I'm going to carry at the local one tomorrow just because I legally can.

Moms Demand Action I'm sure will be dancing around claiming some sort of victory. The CEO gets to move on as they took the stance of least repercussion from the gun grabbers as well gun owners. Why bother to make a statement at all if you didn't change a damn thing?

They don't want you carrying a gun in their stores. Just because they aren't going to confront you about it, doesn't mean you should be carrying a gun at a private business where it's not welcome.

 

[WackyDan]

They don't want you carrying a gun in their stores. Just because they aren't going to confront you about it, doesn't mean you should be carrying a gun at a private business where it's not welcome.

Then they should be posting the prescribed signs at their entrances showing that they don't allow concealed carry. That is the prescribed way in most states that force a CCW holder to spend their money somewhere else or secure their weapon in their vehicle before entering.

* But first because you don't seem to understand... State law allows me to carry at a retail business unless otherwise posted... PERIOD.

 

[smackababy]

Requiring employees to confront people with guns seems like a bad policy, regardless of your professions. I guess, if you're a police officer, that is okay.

 

[Thebobo]

Seems like a win for me. I'm going to carry at the local one tomorrow just because I legally can.

Well aren't you the man, only real men, men with balls, manly men, men who have guns, men who say they will do something and dammit they do it like real men! Men who just do shit because they can, and man you one of those men, yep you are the man!

Frankly who gives a shit, knock your self out.

 

[Victorian Gray]

"He said during the interview that the company would not post anti-gun signs in its stores or require employees to confront gun owners."

http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/08/news/companies/panera-guns-request/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Seems like a win for me. I'm going to carry at the local one tomorrow just because I legally can.

Moms Demand Action I'm sure will be dancing around claiming some sort of victory. The CEO gets to move on as they took the stance of least repercussion from the gun grabbers as well gun owners. Why bother to make a statement at all if you didn't change a damn thing?

Remember to start thumping your chest with both fists as you walk through the door.

 

[theeedude]

Then they should be posting the prescribed signs at their entrances showing that they don't allow concealed carry. That is the prescribed way in most states that force a CCW holder to spend their money somewhere else or secure their weapon in their vehicle before entering.

* But first because you don't seem to understand... State law allows me to carry at a retail business unless otherwise posted... PERIOD.

Just because you can legally carry it, doesn't mean you should do it when the proprietor of the business has respectfully asked you not to, and you are aware of it, sign or no sign, which you are since you are discussing it here.

 

[smackababy]

Just because you can legally carry it, doesn't mean you should do it when the proprietor of the business has respectfully asked you not to, and you are aware of it, sign or no sign, which you are since you are discussing it here.

Except, how are people supposed to be aware of it? Even after reading this thread (although, I didn't click on any links), I am unaware of any official Panera stance on my carrying a gun into their business. The only thing I am aware of is they won't post a sign on the official stance and employees are directed not to confront me.

If you don't want people bringing guns legally onto your property, you better have a sign.

 

[theeedude]

Except, how are people supposed to be aware of it? Even after reading this thread (although, I didn't click on any links), I am unaware of any official Panera stance on my carrying a gun into their business. The only thing I am aware of is they won't post a sign on the official stance and employees are directed not to confront me.

If you don't want people bringing guns legally onto your property, you better have a sign.

If you are unaware after reading this thread and link at the op titled "Panera CEO asks patrons to leave guns home" and/or are in habit of doing unwelcome things at private businesses unless explicitly confronted about them, then proceed right along.

 

[smackababy]

If you are unaware after reading this thread and link at the op titled "Panera CEO asks patrons to leave guns home" and/or are in habit of doing unwelcome things at private businesses unless explicitly confronted about them, then proceed right along.

I even said I didn't click the link. This is the first time I've heard of such a policy. And that is strange, as I have a couple people friends on Facebook who love to post dumb shit like that. Anything concerning gun control, you know they are posting an article about how Obama is letting companies steal our rights or something equally silly.

 

[WackyDan]

Well aren't you the man, only real men, men with balls, manly men, men who have guns, men who say they will do something and dammit they do it like real men! Men who just do shit because they can, and man you one of those men, yep you are the man!

Frankly who gives a shit, knock your self out.

Well Mr. internet troll... You entirely missed the point didn't you?

They either want to ban concealed carry in their stores or they don't. They should make a decision instead of playing the fence.

 

[WackyDan]

Just because you can legally carry it, doesn't mean you should do it when the proprietor of the business has respectfully asked you not to, and you are aware of it, sign or no sign, which you are since you are discussing it here.

When they follow the legally prescribed method to message CCW holders then you might be on to something.

You are being dense. The business owner or manager has no idea I'm carrying or that I have a permit to. The only reasons he should have to bother me about it are simply these.

1. I am imprinting and he can tell I'm carrying. At that point he can ask me to adjust my clothing or to leave the store/location and come back once I secure my weapon. If I refuse (which I wouldn't) he could call the police and have me arrested for trespassing.

2. He or the corporation can post plainly visible signage showing that concealed carry is not allowed. Bonus points if the signs refer to local, or state statute # addressing a place of business not allowing concealed carry. If I miss the sign, then see point #1 for reference.

 

[kage69]

So I guess the MDA is yapping at most main stream companies now? Didn't Krogers just pretty much do this same kind of revenue saving cop out recently?

Settle down ladies. Focus on raising your children right so they don't think of physical assault as a second language. That will do more for your goal than henpecking businesses who want to be left out of wedge issue politics.

 

[WelshBloke]

When they follow the legally prescribed method to message CCW holders then you might be on to something.

You are being dense. The business owner or manager has no idea I'm carrying or that I have a permit to. The only reasons he should have to bother me about it are simply these.

1. I am imprinting and he can tell I'm carrying. At that point he can ask me to adjust my clothing or to leave the store/location and come back once I secure my weapon. If I refuse (which I wouldn't) he could call the police and have me arrested for trespassing.

2. He or the corporation can post plainly visible signage showing that concealed carry is not allowed. Bonus points if the signs refer to local, or state statute # addressing a place of business not allowing concealed carry. If I miss the sign, then see point #1 for reference.

Or he could ask you politely and respectfully and you could go along with his request given that it's his property?

 

[WackyDan]

Or he could ask you politely and respectfully and you could go along with his request given that it's his property?

See #1 and #2

Read it again. You just said the same thing I did.

 

[WelshBloke]

See #1 and #2

Read it again. You just said the same thing I did.

Seems like a win for me. I'm going to carry at the local one tomorrow just because I legally can.

I'm tired and ill at the moment so I could have the wrong end of the stick but that doesn't sound like going along with his request.

 

[WackyDan]

I'm tired and ill at the moment so I could have the wrong end of the stick but that doesn't sound like going along with his request.

Sorry.. Interview doesn't count. How are all the other CCW permit holders supposed to know?


Again... read #1 and #2.

 

[Fenixgoon]

does anyone else find it funny that these people are petitioning about removing something that they don't know is even in the store in the first place?

a properly CCW'd firearm shouldn't be noticed. how many of these moms have noticed a properly/legally CCW'd firearm during their visit to any store?

quite frankly, it's stupid. they're worried about something that

1) they have no control over - you can bar CCWers from coming in the store legally, but that doesn't actually stop anyone from coming into the store with a gun (say...if you're bent on mass murder)

2) they have no knowledge of - a properly CCW'd firearm should not be noticeable. therefore, the petitioners have no way of verifying that anyone in the store is, or is not, in fact carrying a firearm

3) because of 1 & 2, the petitioners should theoretically be frightened everywhere they go because someone, somewhere, might be carrying a firearm.

 

[Oldgamer]

"He said during the interview that the company would not post anti-gun signs in its stores or require employees to confront gun owners."

http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/08/news/companies/panera-guns-request/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Seems like a win for me. I'm going to carry at the local one tomorrow just because I legally can.

Moms Demand Action I'm sure will be dancing around claiming some sort of victory. The CEO gets to move on as they took the stance of least repercussion from the gun grabbers as well gun owners. Why bother to make a statement at all if you didn't change a damn thing?

Ummmmm... they don't want people other than police carrying guns in their restaurants:

"We ask that guns not be brought into this environment unless carried by an authorized law enforcement officer," the company said in a statement. "Panera (PNRA) respects the rights of gun owners, but asks our customers to help preserve the environment we are working to create for our guests and associates."

 

[WelshBloke]

Sorry.. Interview doesn't count. How are all the other CCW permit holders supposed to know?


Again... read #1 and #2.

I'm not talking to all the other CCW holders, I'm talking to you.

 

[Rakehellion]

* But first because you don't seem to understand... State law allows me to carry at a retail business unless otherwise posted... PERIOD.

You can also wear a pink tutu and saw off your left leg. Why do something just because you can?

 

[trenchfoot]

does anyone else find it funny that these people are petitioning about removing something that they don't know is even in the store in the first place?

a properly CCW'd firearm shouldn't be noticed. how many of these moms have noticed a properly/legally CCW'd firearm during their visit to any store?

quite frankly, it's stupid. they're worried about something that

1) they have no control over - you can bar CCWers from coming in the store legally, but that doesn't actually stop anyone from coming into the store with a gun (say...if you're bent on mass murder)

2) they have no knowledge of - a properly CCW'd firearm should not be noticeable. therefore, the petitioners have no way of verifying that anyone in the store is, or is not, in fact carrying a firearm

3) because of 1 & 2, the petitioners should theoretically be frightened everywhere they go because someone, somewhere, might be carrying a firearm.

I think it's more along the lines of them attempting to make a statement of principle in a way that is the least offensive as possible. More or less, it's a nuanced way of letting folks know how they feel and hope this low key way of spreading the word gets out into the community without making a fuss.

IMO, this way of notifying their customers without controversy, spectacular confrontation and the creation of adversarial customer relations is, to those who can appreciate the use of understated intent, a more than acceptable way to handle these kinds of situations.

 

[HTFOff]

I'm glad our resident libtards are concerned with the wishes of this CEO. The dissonance is wearing off. They're coming around.

 

[alkemyst]

does anyone else find it funny that these people are petitioning about removing something that they don't know is even in the store in the first place?

a properly CCW'd firearm shouldn't be noticed. how many of these moms have noticed a properly/legally CCW'd firearm during their visit to any store?

quite frankly, it's stupid. they're worried about something that

1) they have no control over - you can bar CCWers from coming in the store legally, but that doesn't actually stop anyone from coming into the store with a gun (say...if you're bent on mass murder)

2) they have no knowledge of - a properly CCW'd firearm should not be noticeable. therefore, the petitioners have no way of verifying that anyone in the store is, or is not, in fact carrying a firearm

3) because of 1 & 2, the petitioners should theoretically be frightened everywhere they go because someone, somewhere, might be carrying a firearm.

Sadly, too many CCW folks are bragging they pack. This is the problem.

In the past, it was an event if you were printed or got touched carrying you knew you failed. Today it's like, YO MUTHERF***KERS; I HAVE A GLOCK ON ME!

So sad.