Palit 3GB GTX 580 Has hit Newegg

[Throckmorton]

It's because nvidia can only run 3-monitor gaming setups with SLI, and the huge memory on these cards is only useful for 3 monitor gaming resolutions.

Except it's not. Like I said, 14mb for the highest normal resolution frame buffer. Add a little for AA. You aren't anywhere near needing to go from 1.5gb to 3gb.

 

[Grooveriding]

Except it's not. Like I said, 14mb for the highest normal resolution frame buffer. Add a little for AA. You aren't anywhere near needing to go from 1.5gb to 3gb.

I agree 3GB is more than is needed, but that was the only option 1.5 to 3gb.

1.5GB is not enough for some of the ultra high 3 monitor setups,\. There are reviews showing the 580s choking at those resolutions from lack of vram.

 

[Rubycon]

But those fans move a lot more air and are a lot quieter than blowers. Forcing air out of a tiny slot with a high pressure loud blower to prevent dumping air in the case is a noisy inefficient method. It's a video card, not an exhaust fan.

If the case really is that hot because you don't enough big fans, take the side off .

Recirculation is not an excuse for cooling. Like I said you can tell a properly engineered solution from a basement hack.

 

[Aristotelian]

Sorry, didn't think I needed to add "IMHO" when any talk of what one finds worth a particular price is, obviously, a statement of opinion and personal value.

I don't think any incarnation of the 580 is a good value given what alternatives there are in the current market, others of course can agree or disagree as they will based on what matters to them.

While I would argue performance metrics are undeniably one of the most important measures of hardware, who's criticizing anyone? I still assert the cards are a terrible value from a pure price/performance perspective, but that's my opinion about only one aspect of these cards. I don't look down or think less of someone for purchasing them, if the cards fill whatever needs that user has.

No personal attacks going on here, not sure where this is coming from. Castiel is the one poster strongly considering grabbing a pair, he seems knowledgeable about what his money is getting him, and even he admits the price is laughable. At the end of the day, it's his money to spend, and no one is calling him stupid.

You don't think that "X is not worth P" entails that those who buy X for P are making a mistake? I'm not sure how to read it in isolation - the last bit wasn't particularly addressed to you, so I probably shouldn't have quoted you. I often wonder why people push 'bang for the buck' as if it should have some normative force for all involved. There are lots of people here for whom, I'm guessing, 1000 bucks once a year on high end sli setups is pocket money, so "worth it" discussions seem irrelevant to me when we're in a thread involving a modified version of the fastest single gpu card on the planet (that starts at about 500 dollars).

Regarding the card itself I agree that in many cases pushing hot air into the case is not a good thing. But some case designs surely are easily able to ventilate that air, no? Thinking HAF-X with good case fans here.

 

[Castiel]

I have a 1200 with 6 fans on high. It exiting into a case i wouldn't worry about.

 

[CitanUzuki]

Recirculation is not an excuse for cooling. Like I said you can tell a properly engineered solution from a basement hack.

While I agree that having 250+ Watts of power dumped into your case isn't the greatest thing in the world, I have to say you are going a little overboard here. I had a thermalright after-market cooler on my 4890 and it dropped the core temps nearly 20C, while being quieter at every fan speed. Given a well ventilated case, I don't think its the mortal sin you are making it out to be. That said, I have no Idea how good the fan palit has slapped on there is.

 

[Throckmorton]

Recirculation is not an excuse for cooling. Like I said you can tell a properly engineered solution from a basement hack.

The whole point of a case is to hold everything and circulate air to keep it cool. It's not like you need a massive amount of airflow.

Should CPUs also have tiny loud blowers to shoot the heat out of the case? What about hard drives? We'd need airplugs.

Why not go one step further and dump the air outside of your house with a complex and noisy ducting system?

 

[3DVagabond]

The whole point of a case is to hold everything and circulate air to keep it cool. It's not like you need a massive amount of airflow.

Should CPUs also have tiny loud blowers to shoot the heat out of the case? What about hard drives? We'd need airplugs.

Why not go one step further and dump the air outside of your house with a complex and noisy ducting system?

If CPU's used 250-300 watts each and there were 2 of them in your case. I'd recommend you find a better solution than dumping all of that heat into your case.

 

[Mistwalker]

You don't think that "X is not worth P" entails that those who buy X for P are making a mistake? I'm not sure how to read it in isolation - the last bit wasn't particularly addressed to you, so I probably shouldn't have quoted you.

I suppose I should/could have clarified as I did in my follow up post (that I meant that in terms of price/performance and by my own standard of value).

I often wonder why people push 'bang for the buck' as if it should have some normative force for all involved. There are lots of people here for whom, I'm guessing, 1000 bucks once a year on high end sli setups is pocket money, so "worth it" discussions seem irrelevant to me when we're in a thread involving a modified version of the fastest single gpu card on the planet (that starts at about 500 dollars).

To be fair I think "bang for the buck" is what the majority are after and generally serves as a fine baseline for comparison. Niche products and purchasers looking only for absolute performance tend not to seek advice on these forums as they know what they want. I imagine there are relatively few people buying these cards, but those that are know what to expect.

Regarding the card itself I agree that in many cases pushing hot air into the case is not a good thing. But some case designs surely are easily able to ventilate that air, no? Thinking HAF-X with good case fans here.

I think the thermals may be a non-issue, just was curious since this is a pretty high-end card to have a non-exhausting solution, and the reference 580 was so quiet there was no noise issue to address. I'm sure Palit knows what they're doing, though. Since these cards will shine in multi-card setups, it may have been a design choice to reduce increased fan noise as we see with the 6970 cards with blower coolers when linked together.

Either way, am looking forward to benchmarks!

 

[Lonbjerg]

Review:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/vr-zone...ce-gtx-580-phantom-3072mb-review/10933-2.html

 

[3DVagabond]

Nice! No games/benches that could take advantage of the extra RAM though. Too bad. :shrug:

 

[Aristotelian]

Review:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/vr-zone...ce-gtx-580-phantom-3072mb-review/10933-2.html

And no multi monitor testing? It's marginally faster than a reference 580 (and has higher clocks to account for that increase as well. It runs cooler than a reference 580, which is to be expected from the custom cooler efforts. Oh well.

@Mist: That's my point. That people who can afford these cards don't typically ask for advice regarding their purchase. That's also why I think letting them know "it's not worth it" (to you) is redundant and/or irrelevant (i.e., they already know that, strictly speaking, it's not worth it to pay 400 bucks extra for 5fps boost or, they aren't sensitive on the price like other purchasers). I honestly think the bang for the buck analyses tossed around in these discussions are fundamentally flawed, but perhaps (when I'm not at work!) I'll post a thread with my take on it.

 

[alienspy77]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-098-_-Product

Price is laughable. Does 1.5GB of memory really cost a hundred dollars more?

Actually GDDR5 chips are very expensive with low production capacity and high demand for the same facilities to produce flash memory for smartphones. I hear a 256KB chip is as high as $12 bulk. You are looking at 6 extra here thus $72 for the manufacturer. Very small markup if you ask me.

Also for some applications 3GB is crucial and it will give you an extra edge. Most importantly there will be less texture paging in games like Crysis and it will help with dips in the framerate. The more textures fit to video ram the less need to be page. It's like cache, you can always use more.

 

[notty22]

I got a email from Palit , with a link to this Youtube video

4- WAY gtx 580 3gb . Some cool looking hardware setups
The beginning shows 4 gtx 580's liquid cooled with some nice hardware linking the cards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpC_4JH05Yk

 

[RavenSEAL]

Sold out, lol.

 

[Rubycon]

4 way SLI is wasting energy for gaming only IMO. Once you get the third card in any more just doesn't do much more on the screen.

 

[Squuiid]

Folks, have a read at the bottom of this page of Anand's GTX 590 review.
He has clearly demonstrated that a GTX580 in SLI with more than 1.5GB RAM would trump the AMD card here.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4239/nvidias-geforce-gtx-590-duking-it-out-for-the-single-card-king/11

I suspect a Palit 3GB 580 SLI setup would wipe the floor with the 6970CF in this review.

Newer and more demanding games will be utilizing the 3GB, without a doubt. Buying a 590 or 580 with 1.5GB of RAM is shortsighted IMO.

To those of you saying that 3GB makes no difference, do a bit more research... ^_^

 

[toyota]

its been deactivated...

 

[Squuiid]

its been deactivated...

No it hasn't. I ordered another one from Amazon on Friday (3 days ago) and it sold out a day later. I had also rung Palit earlier in the week and they told me Amazon was more likely to have them than NE for some reason... anyway, as I said, none on there now, but they are most certainly not deactivated. Just very in demand ;-)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004L2LB1K

 

[toyota]

No it isn't. I ordered another one from Amazon on Friday (3 days ago) and it sold out a day later. I had also rung Palit earlier in the week and they told me Amazon was more likely to have them than NE for some reason... anyway, as I said, none on there now, but they are most certainly not deactivated.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004L2LB1K

they ARE deactivated on neweggs site which is the link in the OP. that does not mean they are discontinued or not available elsewhere.

 

[insurgent]

Most enthusiasts tend to mock Palit. I don't see why but I've only owned one ever, and it's still working fine after 3 years, why do they get bad rep? My card isn't nice to look at but hey, it's cheaper than the others.

 

[Squuiid]

they ARE deactivated on neweggs site which is the link in the OP. that does not mean they are discontinued or not available elsewhere.

I also rang Newegg the same day I rang Palit and they confirmed that Newegg would be getting some, they just don't know when.

Additionally, if you look at the product page on Newegg Business, or Newegg Canada, the product lists as Auto-Notify and does not state that it is deactivated.
Again, do your research...

http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Produc...=NE5X5800F10FB

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...=NE5X5800F10FB

 

[toyota]

I also rang Newegg the same day I rang Palit and they confirmed that Newegg would be getting some, they just don't know when.

Additionally, if you look at the product page on Newegg Business, or Newegg Canada, the product lists as Auto-Notify and does not state that it is deactivated.
Again, do your research...

http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Produc...=NE5X5800F10FB

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...=NE5X5800F10FB

I said going by the newegg link in the OP, which is what nearly everyone will do, it says deactivated. there was no need for me to do more research since I have no interest in getting the card. again, I clicked on the link and it said deactivated so I commented on that. its good that you may have the option to actually get the card if you want to though.

 

[manimal]

It makes a HUGE difference in temperatures. The reference design is the way it is for a reason. These departures from said designs are hacks, nothing more.

this

 

[Squuiid]

I said going by the newegg link in the OP, which is what nearly everyone will do, it says deactivated. there was no need for me to do more research since I have no interest in getting the card. again, I clicked on the link and it said deactivated so I commented on that. its good that you may have the option to actually get the card if you want to though.

Fair enough ^_^