Palit 3GB GTX 580 Has hit Newegg

[Castiel]

Fine, test them. Buy them. Comparing them to other cards that are ~1/2 the price is dumb though.

I didn't.. They did...

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/01/11/amd_69706950_cfx_nvidia_580570_sli_review/1

And i'm not buying anything till the 590 and 595 prices are released

 

[3DVagabond]

I didn't.. They did...

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/01/11/amd_69706950_cfx_nvidia_580570_sli_review/1

And i'm not buying anything till the 590 and 595 prices are released

No they didn't. There are no $600 cards in that comparison. You seem to be having a problem comprehending that point.

 

[Castiel]

No they didn't. There are no $600 cards in that comparison. You seem to be having a problem comprehending that point.

580 is top dog and you keep bringing up 600 dollars like its a huge amount of money. Its the only card on the market with 3gb. It may be expensive but id still buy it in a heartbeat

 

[Castiel]

It makes a HUGE difference in temperatures. The reference design is the way it is for a reason. These departures from said designs are hacks, nothing more.

Palit's design is going to run about 10C cooler then reference. I'd gladly dump that into my case.

 

[Grooveriding]

Palit's design is going to run about 10C cooler then reference. I'd gladly dump that into my case.

The temperature read at the chip may be 10C cooler, but a 580 is a 580 and will dispense the same amount of heat regardless of the cooler. This one may in fact be hotter than a reference 580 if it comes overclocked and/or overvolted.

Just because the temp at the die is lower doesn't mean the card is not putting off the same or more heat than a reference card. And with this design, all that heat is being blown into your case.

This card is pointless unless you buy two.

 

[Castiel]

This card is pointless unless you buy two.

I would be buying 2

 

[Grooveriding]

I would be buying 2

In your op you said the price is laughable. Is this comment just philosophical or are you actually going to buy them ?

It's also pointless even with buying two if you don't own a 30" monitor or game on 3 monitors.

 

[Castiel]

In your op you said the price is laughable. Is this comment just philosophical or are you actually going to buy them ?

It's also pointless even with buying two if you don't own a 30" monitor or game on 3 monitors.

Posted a thread the other day about a 3 monitor setup. Yeah the price is laughable but i'd still buy it

 

[n7]

My experience w/ Palit "custom cooling" systems isn't good...way too loud, & that one looks iffy.
Of course those are all rendered pics...how about some real pictures :\

 

[3DVagabond]

580 is top dog and you keep bringing up 600 dollars like its a huge amount of money. Its the only card on the market with 3gb. It may be expensive but id still buy it in a heartbeat

You seem to have difficulty following the discussion. I never said $600 is a huge amt. of money.

 

[Rubycon]

My experience w/ Palit "custom cooling" systems isn't good...way too loud, & that one looks iffy.
Of course those are all rendered pics...how about some real pictures :\

Palit is a junk vendor. If one MUST have a 3GB board wait for EVGA.

 

[n7]

I don't think anyone really needs this, & i'm a 2560x1600 user.

I guess maybe if you have a few 30"ers in nV Surround?
I suppose if made 4x what i do now i could understand the point of these cards better.

 

[happy medium]

I dont think this puppy can handle this game on a 30 inch monitor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxEEl2TfaYo&feature=related

Seriously though, I guess with one of these monitors they would be benificial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWivZEtH6-c&feature=related

 

[Emulex]

and most of you think a honda accord is a spiffy ride to work every day.

 

[Mistwalker]

I imagine two of these would offer absolutely untouchable performance at all resolutions, and still manage to not be even close to worth the price of entry.

Still, if money is really, absolutely no object...I am curious as to the thermal impact these cards have, coolers that dump air into the case are supposed to be quieter than external blowers right? And the 580 was damn quiet to begin with, so where do these bad boys fall into that balance?

 

[Piano Man]

It's not the looks that's an issue - it's that cooler! Those coolers dump a ton of heat in your case. :thumbsdown:

Couldn't agree more. If its not rear exhaust, I don't even think about it.

 

[RaistlinZ]

I hate the black and orange color scheme Palit uses. Reminds me of a Halloween pumpkin.

 

[Castiel]

and most of you think a honda accord is a spiffy ride to work every day.

Reason why i drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 to work

 

[TorxT3D]

sheesh, why couldnt they just mimic the original phantom design..
why do they always do this?? gahhh.

 

[Aristotelian]

I don't think anyone really needs this, & i'm a 2560x1600 user.

I guess maybe if you have a few 30"ers in nV Surround?
I suppose if made 4x what i do now i could understand the point of these cards better.

Do you game on that 30" Dell at max settings (with your single 570)?

I imagine two of these would offer absolutely untouchable performance at all resolutions, and still manage to not be even close to worth the price of entry.

Still, if money is really, absolutely no object...I am curious as to the thermal impact these cards have, coolers that dump air into the case are supposed to be quieter than external blowers right? And the 580 was damn quiet to begin with, so where do these bad boys fall into that balance?

I'm not sure why we need to talk about balance. They make the card, and I'm certain those cards will sell out. That most users have no need for them does not mean there is no need for cards like that. And regarding "worth the price"? Some people spend over 20000USD on one computer (custom case design/watercooling setup and so on). It may not be worth it to you but what you think x is worth does not create a norm that others should follow.

I don't criticize people for enjoying a McDs cheeseburger once in a while, nor do I criticize people who spend 5000 USD on a single dinner for two (including wine/tip etc.). Why should hardware be any different? The 'worth' isn't always reduced to performance metrics. As displayed in this thread, some people care about aesthetics, design, power efficiency, noise and heat production, colour, whatever. If you're not in the market for these cards that's fine and dandy, but I'm not sure why some people think that because they don't think a setup is worth it that therefore the people who do spend on those setups are simply being irrational/stupid whatever.

I highly recommend checking this out: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=172583

 

[Mistwalker]

I'm not sure why we need to talk about balance. They make the card, and I'm certain those cards will sell out. That most users have no need for them does not mean there is no need for cards like that. And regarding "worth the price"? Some people spend over 20000USD on one computer (custom case design/watercooling setup and so on). It may not be worth it to you but what you think x is worth does not create a norm that others should follow.

Sorry, didn't think I needed to add "IMHO" when any talk of what one finds worth a particular price is, obviously, a statement of opinion and personal value.

I don't think any incarnation of the 580 is a good value given what alternatives there are in the current market, others of course can agree or disagree as they will based on what matters to them.

I don't criticize people for enjoying a McDs cheeseburger once in a while, nor do I criticize people who spend 5000 USD on a single dinner for two (including wine/tip etc.). Why should hardware be any different? The 'worth' isn't always reduced to performance metrics. As displayed in this thread, some people care about aesthetics, design, power efficiency, noise and heat production, colour, whatever. If you're not in the market for these cards that's fine and dandy, but I'm not sure why some people think that because they don't think a setup is worth it that therefore the people who do spend on those setups are simply being irrational/stupid whatever.

While I would argue performance metrics are undeniably one of the most important measures of hardware, who's criticizing anyone? I still assert the cards are a terrible value from a pure price/performance perspective, but that's my opinion about only one aspect of these cards. I don't look down or think less of someone for purchasing them, if the cards fill whatever needs that user has.

No personal attacks going on here, not sure where this is coming from. Castiel is the one poster strongly considering grabbing a pair, he seems knowledgeable about what his money is getting him, and even he admits the price is laughable. At the end of the day, it's his money to spend, and no one is calling him stupid.

 

[Throckmorton]

It's not the looks that's an issue - it's that cooler! Those coolers dump a ton of heat in your case. :thumbsdown:

But those fans move a lot more air and are a lot quieter than blowers. Forcing air out of a tiny slot with a high pressure loud blower to prevent dumping air in the case is a noisy inefficient method. It's a video card, not an exhaust fan.

If the case really is that hot because you don't enough big fans, take the side off .

 

[ebolamonkey3]

You know they really should of enable 3 display output on this card to make it viable for surround!....I see no point to this card...fail!

For the very few people with 3x 30" monitors, 2x of these in SLI is the best option right now.

So this card truly caters to a very niche segment of the market, hence the $100 markup.

 

[Throckmorton]

I don't understand why people keep saying the higher RAM helps if you're using SLI...

You know that textures etc don't increase when you use SLI right? Everything is just duplicated between both cards, and both cards have their memory. It's not like you double your video cards and you quadruple your memory usage.

And it makes no difference for multi monitors. A 2560x1600x32 bit image uses only 14 megabytes.

I'm begging you guys. Run EVGA Precision or Rivatuner and look at your actual memory usage.

 

[Grooveriding]

I don't understand why people keep saying the higher RAM helps if you're using SLI...

You know that textures etc don't increase when you use SLI right? Everything is just duplicated between both cards, and both cards have their memory. It's not like you double your video cards and you quadruple your memory usage.

It's because nvidia can only run 3-monitor gaming setups with SLI, and the huge memory on these cards is only useful for 3 monitor gaming resolutions.