Palin interview on 20/20 on TV now

[Juddog]

Good breakdown of the Palin interview here.

 

[Bitek]

Holy shit... just watched the interview w/ Gibson. Must admit I had pretty low expectations, but that interview surpassed them all by a long shot. I had a fear that she could come off as very knowledgeable and sophisticated w/ enough prepping. That fear has been quickly replaced by the very real possibility she could actually occupy the WH.

That was disastrous, I can't believe she is really that clueless. What questions she understood, she just bullshitted simplistic and jingoistic talking point answers to.
She answered questions like she had missed the class all year, crash studied for the final, and just memorized a few lines from the textbook she didn't comprehend in hopes of cramming enough halfassed answers to pull of a C and not fail the class.

What's the Bush doctrine? (try #3) "Uh, his worldview?" Bzzzzdd Survey says.. 0 pts.

What economic policies would you change from Bush? "Reform spending." Yes, but that's a tiny amt of the budget, where would you cut then, entitlements? "We'll turn the gov't back to the people, and we'll improve efficiency in agencies" Ok, but what 3 big things would you change? Details here? 123? What are they? "Uh... [canned answer]"

Nato membership for Georgia? "Yes, right away" So we'd have to go to war w/ Russia? "Perhaps so" [really, gee, perhaps so? holy shit lady.. but lets not blink...]
The whole earmark thing... what a mess and confusion. "Earmarks are bad, except all ours are appropriate. Lobbyists are bad, but ours are fine bc we live far away" Talk about two sides of the mouth.

Holy christ..

 

[Napalm]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Blackjack, The VP has TWO jobs. That is all. And neither of them require full time work. How many tie breakers has Cheney cast?

Every thing else depends on what the President WANTS the VP to do.

Clinton put Gore in charge of government reform.
Bush put Cheney in charge of secret government locations etc.

McCain could put Palin in charge of energy policy, or education policy, or bridge building. Who knows.

But there isn't really a job description any where. It is all dependent on the President and the VP.

And if a 72-76 year old president dies, what else is in the VP's job description?

 

[Moonbeam]

McTraitor gave us a turd to replace him if he dies. Thanks a lot, you senile self aggrandizing asshole.

 

[trenchfoot]

It wouldn't bother me at all if McCain/Palin won, then McCain kicks the bucket and Palin takes over from him as POTUS, because Rove, Cheney and the rest of the gang that's been puppet-mastering Bush II will play her the same way and things will be just as if Bush II never left office.

Wouldn't that be just so neat-o peachy keen?

YAY!! 8 more years of the "Bush Doctrine". Whooopti-doo.

 

[Dari]

She wouldn't blink to start a war with Russia? This is one stupid, stupid bitch. Even Bush picked on small, defenseless nations to fight. Caribou Barbie wants to go after a nuclear power over an insignificant country. If other Republicans and Independents don't see the craziness of having her, McCain, Lieberman, and other neocons in the White House, then there's no helping them.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Dari
She wouldn't blink to start a war with Russia? This is one stupid, stupid bitch. Even Bush picked on small, defenseless nations to fight. Caribou Barbie wants to go after a nuclear power over an insignificant country. If other Republicans and Independents don't see the craziness of having her, McCain, Lieberman, and other neocons in the White House, then there's no helping them.

The Republican base loves the tough talk authoritarians.

Margaret Thatcher was a domestic disaster who was about to be throwin out of office until the Falklands war let her pretend to be Churchill.

The Repblican strategists are clearly trying to get Palin to play the role with the 'tough talk' lines, and it's working with their base, like pretty much always.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Dari
She wouldn't blink to start a war with Russia? This is one stupid, stupid bitch. Even Bush picked on small, defenseless nations to fight. Caribou Barbie wants to go after a nuclear power over an insignificant country. If other Republicans and Independents don't see the craziness of having her, McCain, Lieberman, and other neocons in the White House, then there's no helping them.

The Republican base loves the tough talk authoritarians.

Margaret Thatcher was a domestic disaster who was about to be throwin out of office until the Falklands war let her pretend to be Churchill.

The Repblican strategists are clearly trying to get Palin to play the role with the 'tough talk' lines, and it's working with their base, like pretty much always.

But, as with Bush and Thatcher, they were already in office. When running for office, Bush promised to be a "compassionate conservative". Considering we have two wars and Pakistan on our plate already, talking about fighting Russia, of all nations, is just insane. If they're trying to shore up the base, it'll cause them elsewhere. To be honest, I've never heard of any American candidate talking about fighting Russia. They've always been careful with their words. I think the Rapture thing has consumed Palin and she is willing to sacrifice everything for her beliefs (sound familiar?).

 

[nageov3t]

what should Palin say, regarding Russia then?

"do whatever you want, we won't respond militarily no matter what."

should US response to Russia invading a NATO ally be wagging our finger?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Dari
She wouldn't blink to start a war with Russia? This is one stupid, stupid bitch. Even Bush picked on small, defenseless nations to fight. Caribou Barbie wants to go after a nuclear power over an insignificant country. If other Republicans and Independents don't see the craziness of having her, McCain, Lieberman, and other neocons in the White House, then there's no helping them.

The Republican base loves the tough talk authoritarians.

Margaret Thatcher was a domestic disaster who was about to be throwin out of office until the Falklands war let her pretend to be Churchill.

The Repblican strategists are clearly trying to get Palin to play the role with the 'tough talk' lines, and it's working with their base, like pretty much always.

But, as with Bush and Thatcher, they were already in office. When running for office, Bush promised to be a "compassionate conservative". Considering we have two wars and Pakistan on our plate already, talking about fighting Russia, of all nations, is just insane. If they're trying to shore up the base, it'll cause them elsewhere. To be honest, I've never heard of any American candidate talking about fighting Russia. They've always been careful with their words. I think the Rapture thing has consumed Palin and she is willing to sacrifice everything for her beliefs (sound familiar?).

I think you give her too much credit, and she just caught tripped up in her own answers.

Asked about Georgia joining NATO, the politically correct right-wing answer was 'yes', and she did not know how long that takes, so the next question involving the fact Russia invaded Georgia, left her with no real option but to say that yes, Russia invading a NATO member would require our fighitng Russia to defend Georgia. I'm not at all sure she had any clear policy as you suggest with her rapture position.

I could see her trying to weasal word out of the corner with the word 'perhaps' in her answer, but she was trapped.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: loki8481
what should Palin say, regarding Russia then?

"do whatever you want, we won't respond militarily no matter what."

should US response to Russia invading a NATO ally be wagging our finger?

That's a stupid response. There are far better ways to speak. Oh yeah, it's called diplo-speak. Considering that you already have your conservative credentials, the best thing would be to use words like "firm" or "resolve" to say exactly what you mean without being so naked in your meanings.

I know she's from the backwoods of Alaska and her words would be simpler, but when talking you have to know where you're coming from. If you're a liberal, you talk tough. If you're a conservative, you refrain from talking tough. Conservatives that talk tough just re-enforce whatever fears people had of them, and vice-versa. Language is an art, not a science. That means you can say the same thing a thousand different ways and still get your point acrpss.

This is basic diplo-speak and I'm surprised she wasn't taught that during her training.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: loki8481
what should Palin say, regarding Russia then?

"do whatever you want, we won't respond militarily no matter what."

should US response to Russia invading a NATO ally be wagging our finger?

Georgia won't be a NATO ally for quite some time.

To answer your question, here's how Biden spoke on it:

"I have long sought to help Russia realize its extraordinary potential as a force for progress in the international community, and have supported legislative efforts intended to forge a more constructive relationship with the Kremlin. But Russia's actions in Georgia will have consequences," the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said in a statement. "Russia's failure to keep its word and withdraw troops from Georgia risks the country's standing as part of the international community. That is not the future the United States or Europe want -- but it is the future Russia may get."

"I left the country convinced that Russia's invasion of Georgia may be the one of the most significant event to occur in Europe since the end of communism. The claims of Georgian atrocities that provided the pretext for Russia's invasion are rapidly being disproved by international observers, and the continuing presence of Russian forces in the country has severe implications for the broader region. The war that began in Georgia is no longer about that country alone. It has become a question of whether and how the West will stand up for the rights of free people throughout the region," Biden said in a statement.

A very strong statement against Russia, without any direct statement that we will go to war with Russia. His experience is clear.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: loki8481
what should Palin say, regarding Russia then?

"do whatever you want, we won't respond militarily no matter what."

should US response to Russia invading a NATO ally be wagging our finger?

Georgia won't be a NATO ally for quite some time.

To answer your question, here's how Biden spoke on it:

"I have long sought to help Russia realize its extraordinary potential as a force for progress in the international community, and have supported legislative efforts intended to forge a more constructive relationship with the Kremlin. But Russia's actions in Georgia will have consequences," the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said in a statement. "Russia's failure to keep its word and withdraw troops from Georgia risks the country's standing as part of the international community. That is not the future the United States or Europe want -- but it is the future Russia may get."

"I left the country convinced that Russia's invasion of Georgia may be the one of the most significant event to occur in Europe since the end of communism. The claims of Georgian atrocities that provided the pretext for Russia's invasion are rapidly being disproved by international observers, and the continuing presence of Russian forces in the country has severe implications for the broader region. The war that began in Georgia is no longer about that country alone. It has become a question of whether and how the West will stand up for the rights of free people throughout the region," Biden said in a statement.

A very strong statement against Russia, without any direct statement that we will go to war with Russia. His experience is clear.

Yep, it's clear he will decimate the "pit bull with lipstick" rather handily at the debate.

 

[lupi]

As far as "winning" the interview I would say she did. There was nothing given that can turn into tomorrows tv ad that will cause a swing in polls that the campaign would then have to spend a week trying to deflect, and with so many not caring about policy specifics that's about all that matters.

I generally watch abc stuff as they have a decent presentation and it doesn't feel like I'm getting the latest campaign sermon. But there is no doubt this was the most difficult candidate interview given yet. The obama stuff when the networks were following him across 3 continents like love struck puppies were about as softball as it got and even the billo one gave him a lot of room to go into long drawn out pollitican speak where he tried to say much without saying anything. Nothing close to the feel of shotgun Q&A done here. And bush doctrine, lol that was a good one. As one who has gone after the idiots he left in charge of much of his foriegn policy blunders, I can't say I've heard anyone use that phrase and I've heard a decent number of after the event talkers mention the same.

With less than 2 weeks study on the campaign philosophy and a not so nuetral interview, this just shows she can hold her own. It does though make the VP interview much more interesting given that much more study time.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: lupi
As far as "winning" the interview I would say she did. There was nothing given that can turn into tomorrows tv ad that will cause a swing in polls that the campaign would then have to spend a week trying to deflect, and with so many not caring about policy specifics that's about all that matters.

I generally watch abc stuff as they have a decent presentation and it doesn't feel like I'm getting the latest campaign sermon. But there is no doubt this was the most difficult candidate interview given yet. The obama stuff when the networks were following him across 3 continents like love struck puppies were about as softball as it got and even the billo one gave him a lot of room to go into long drawn out pollitican speak where he tried to say much without saying anything. Nothing close to the feel of shotgun Q&A done here. And bush doctrine, lol that was a good one. As one who has gone after the idiots he left in charge of much of his foriegn policy blunders, I can't say I've heard anyone use that phrase and I've heard a decent number of after the event talkers mention the same.

With less than 2 weeks study on the campaign philosophy and a not so nuetral interview, this just shows she can hold her own. It does though make the VP interview much more interesting given that much more study time.

She "held her own"? How much is the GOP paying you? I saw a blundering idiot blurting out cuecarded responses when she wasn't getting hit with the cluebat, but to each their own. 😉

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: lupi
As far as "winning" the interview I would say she did. There was nothing given that can turn into tomorrows tv ad that will cause a swing in polls that the campaign would then have to spend a week trying to deflect, and with so many not caring about policy specifics that's about all that matters.

I generally watch abc stuff as they have a decent presentation and it doesn't feel like I'm getting the latest campaign sermon. But there is no doubt this was the most difficult candidate interview given yet. The obama stuff when the networks were following him across 3 continents like love struck puppies were about as softball as it got and even the billo one gave him a lot of room to go into long drawn out pollitican speak where he tried to say much without saying anything. Nothing close to the feel of shotgun Q&A done here. And bush doctrine, lol that was a good one. As one who has gone after the idiots he left in charge of much of his foriegn policy blunders, I can't say I've heard anyone use that phrase and I've heard a decent number of after the event talkers mention the same.

With less than 2 weeks study on the campaign philosophy and a not so nuetral interview, this just shows she can hold her own. It does though make the VP interview much more interesting given that much more study time.

She "held her own"? How much is the GOP paying you? I saw a blundering idiot blurting out cuecarded responses when she wasn't getting hit with the cluebat, but to each their own. 😉

LOL True, it was funny seeing her just restating what she was told to say about the Israel conflict; behind those glasses a blank stare.

 

[lupi]

How many soundbites are being run as ads from the interview?

And I think the VP reinforcing the top dogs positions is kinda what they are supposed to do.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: lupi
How many soundbites are being run as ads from the interview?

And I think the VP reinforcing the top dogs positions is kinda what they are supposed to do.

You mean like how Palin wants to vehemently drill in Alaska for oil and McCain is strictly opposed? Reinforcement, indeed. 😉

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: lupi
How many soundbites are being run as ads from the interview?

And I think the VP reinforcing the top dogs positions is kinda what they are supposed to do.

This implies that she escaped unharmed (as far as mockery is concerned). But, as we've pointed out here in this thread, this lady is as dumb as a rock regarding foreign policy. But nobody here is expecting a rational analysis from you anyways. You're here to entertain us.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: lupi
How many soundbites are being run as ads from the interview?

And I think the VP reinforcing the top dogs positions is kinda what they are supposed to do.

If the VP is reinforcing the top dogs positions, wouldn't you think it would help to know at least a modicum of what those positions are? 😕

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
McTraitor gave us a turd to replace him if he dies. Thanks a lot, you senile self aggrandizing asshole.

Normally I ignore such idiotic comments but this one stuck a nerve. You may not agree with McCain's politics or policies, but McCain is about as far from "traitor" as one can get.

The man has dedicated his entire life to this great country and has endured more pain in the process than all of us here at ATP&N combined.

I find it completely sickening that anyone would even SUGGEST that McCain is a traitor in any way, and find those who call him this nothing more than wimps hiding behind a keyboard in the comfort and safety of their own home which McCain has fought to give them the ability to enjoy.

Absolutely Pathetic.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
McTraitor gave us a turd to replace him if he dies. Thanks a lot, you senile self aggrandizing asshole.

Normally I ignore such idiotic comments but this one stuck a nerve. You may not agree with McCain's politics or policies, but McCain is about as far from "traitor" as one can get.

The man has dedicated his entire life to this great country and has endured more pain in the process than all of us here at ATP&N combined.

I find it completely sickening that anyone would even SUGGEST that McCain is a traitor in any way, and find those who call him this nothing more than wimps hiding behind a keyboard in the comfort and safety of their own home which McCain has fought to give them the ability to enjoy.

Absolutely Pathetic.

Bombing some farmers in Vietnam didn't help my freedom - or theirs - or, ironically, McCain's when he ended up in POW camp.

I would say that McCain's putting the nation at risk of having someone so dangerous as Palin in the presidency was an act against America; but I would not say it fits 'traitor'.

It was reckless, foolish, selfish, and has the real chance of doing more harm to the nation more than any actual traitor in history, though. So some strong language is justified.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Yep, it's clear he will decimate the "pit bull with lipstick" rather handily at the debate.

That's unclear to me now. If there were a format requiring the candidates themselves to speak off the cuff, yes, but it's not hard to load them up with an hour of catch phrases.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
McTraitor gave us a turd to replace him if he dies. Thanks a lot, you senile self aggrandizing asshole.

Normally I ignore such idiotic comments but this one stuck a nerve. You may not agree with McCain's politics or policies, but McCain is about as far from "traitor" as one can get.

The man has dedicated his entire life to this great country and has endured more pain in the process than all of us here at ATP&N combined.

I find it completely sickening that anyone would even SUGGEST that McCain is a traitor in any way, and find those who call him this nothing more than wimps hiding behind a keyboard in the comfort and safety of their own home which McCain has fought to give them the ability to enjoy.

Absolutely Pathetic.

He has his opinion, you have yours... which, coincidentally, is exactly what he was fighting for, isn't it?

 

[lupi]

After her first public speech she turned around and had the first hard hitting interview within 2 weeks.

The messiah gave his first 2 weeks and 4 years ago; I'd hope he would sound a little better by now, ignoring the whole he's running for P and her for VP.

So when was this biden interview going to happen?