Palin implicated in ethics probe

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

It really can be difficult to be anti-Palin when *this* is the other side :roll:

Not really. Just ignore the petty shit, and take her for what her own words and actions show her to be, a brainless twit.

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Of course Clinton was actually guilty while no one has made anything stick to Palin yet.

Wrong as usual, PJ. :Q

From The Times

October 11, 2008

'Troopergate' inquiry finds Sarah Palin guilty

Sarah Palin, John McCain?s running mate, unlawfully abused her power as Alaska?s governor by trying to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper, according to an ethics investigation released last night. It deals a significant blow to an already embattled Republican ticket just over three weeks until Election Day.

The report, released after a two month investigation, found that Mrs Palin was motivated in part by a personal grudge when she fired Walt Monegan, the police chief, after he failed to dismiss her brother-in-law, who had been involved in an ugly divorce from her sister.
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[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: cubby1223

It really can be difficult to be anti-Palin when *this* is the other side :roll:

Not really. Just ignore the petty shit, and take her for what her own words and actions show her to be, a brainless twit.

Ah, my good friend Harvey you prove my point for me

Hi, I come from Illinois. My governor was impeached and is awaiting trial for selling the government to the highest bidder. My previous governor is sitting in jail for selling truckers licenses to anyone with money and no qualifications. Palin suddenly doesn't seem all that bad. Someone was fired, STOP THE PRESSES!!!

Oh, yea, she doesn't have the best presence in speeches and interviews. I forgot that was the most important qualification for public office. And not wearing Arctic Cat logos, HOW DARE SHE!!!! :|


Seriously, you have too much hate bottled up inside you. Aren't ultra-liberals supposed to make love not war? :heart:

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: cubby1223

It really can be difficult to be anti-Palin when *this* is the other side :roll:

Not really. Just ignore the petty shit, and take her for what her own words and actions show her to be, a brainless twit.

Ah, my good friend Harvey you prove my point for me

Hi, I come from Illinois. My governor was impeached and is awaiting trial for selling the government to the highest bidder. My previous governor is sitting in jail for selling truckers licenses to anyone with money and no qualifications. Palin suddenly doesn't seem all that bad.

Oh, but she doesn't have the best presence in speeches and interviews. I forgot, that is the most important qualification for public office. And wearing an Arctic Cat jacket, HOW DARE SHE!!!! :|


Seriously, you have too much hate bottled up inside you. Aren't ultra-liberals supposed to make love not war? :heart:

yes we all know all politicians from IL are fricken wack jobs.

wich should make people worried about Obama..but most have no clue how IL politics are heh.

 

[cubby1223]

^^^
This just seems more like since Dubya can no longer be the focal point of their hate, they're scratching to find his replacement in this realm of partisan hackery. Palin's not going to stick. They really should just move on now to something else.

Compared to Illinois, Palin is a Saint of ethical behavior. But the resident liberals continue to paint her as evil for who knows what reason.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: cubby1223

It really can be difficult to be anti-Palin when *this* is the other side :roll:

Not really. Just ignore the petty shit, and take her for what her own words and actions show her to be, a brainless twit.

Ah, my good friend Harvey you prove my point for me

Which point? Nice and convenient of you to overlook the second half of my post correcting the ever-wrong PJ because Palin WAS found guilty of at least one charge. I won't be suprised if she's convicted of more, now that she's out of office.

That, and when the pressure started to rise, or she got bored with whoring her way through Alaskan politics, she quit mid term, which is yet another reason no one should take that mindless twit seriously.

Hi, I come from Illinois. My governor was impeached and is awaiting trial for selling the government to the highest bidder. My previous governor is sitting in jail for selling truckers licenses to anyone with money and no qualifications. Palin suddenly doesn't seem all that bad. Someone was fired, STOP THE PRESSES!!!

Please tell us exactly what the criminality of your disgraced ex-governor has to do with Palin, unless you mean that you have no point because no one as criminal as Blogo the Clown is, or Palin MAY be, should be allowed to run for public office.

Oh, yea, she doesn't have the best presence in speeches and interviews. I forgot that was the most important qualification for public office. And not wearing Arctic Cat logos, HOW DARE SHE!!!! :|

The worst we know about her SO FAR, is that she's an unethical liar who violated at least a few Alaskan statutes, and she's a brainless twit. If she had half a brain, she'd start up her dinosaur and ride off into the long Alaskan sunset.[/quote]

Seriously, you have too much hate bottled up inside you. Aren't ultra-liberals supposed to make love not war? :heart:

Seriously, Palin is so intellectually and ethically challenged that no one can take her seriously. Her most historically significant contribution to American culture will be that she is the archtype for Tina Fey's wonderful skewering of her consumate dumbassitude. :laugh:

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think the ethic probe people failed to realize that the ethic charges leveled at Palin would not have been leveled if she weren't a public person and public official. So if her notoriety can get charges thrown at her surely it can be used to defend her, no?

Seems reasonable, but it seems to me that no one should have to pay legal fees unless they are found guilty, even if its the government. People bring up stories of health care debt, and this doesn't minimize their problems, but if the government or an individual with deep pockets wishes to destroy you they certainly can use the courts to do so.

And visa versa no?

 

[ProfJohn]

Harvey... read up some more on trooper gate.

It is not clear cut that she violated ethic rules.
Really depends on which report you like.

From Wiki

Branchflower Report
On October 10, 2008, the Alaska Legislative Council unanimously voted to release, without endorsing,[130] the Branchflower Report, in which investigator Stephen Branchflower found that firing Monegan "was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority," but that Palin abused her power as governor and violated the state's Executive Branch Ethics Act when her office pressured Monegan to fire Wooten .[131] The report stated that "Governor Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda, to wit: to get Trooper Michael Wooten fired."[132] The report also said that Palin "permitted Todd Palin to use the Governor's office [...] to continue to contact subordinate state employees in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired."[132][133]
On October 11, Palin's attorneys responded, condemning the Branchflower Report as "misleading and wrong on the law";[134] one, Thomas Van Flein, said that it was an attempt to "smear the governor by innuendo."[135]
State Personnel Board investigation

The State Personnel Board (SPB) reviewed the matter at Palin's request.[136] On September 15, the Anchorage law firm of Clapp, Peterson, Van Flein, Tiemessen & Thorsness filed arguments of "no probable cause" with the SPB on behalf of Palin.[137][138] The SPB hired independent counsel Timothy Petumenos as an investigator. On October 24, Palin gave three hours of depositions with the Board in St. Louis, Missouri.[139] On November 3, Petumenos found that there was no probable cause to believe Palin or any other state official had violated state ethical standards

So one report says she did the other says she didn't.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Harvey... read up some more on trooper gate.

It is not clear cut that she violated ethic rules.
Really depends on which report you like.

From Wiki

Branchflower Report
On October 10, 2008, the Alaska Legislative Council unanimously voted to release, without endorsing,[130] the Branchflower Report, in which investigator Stephen Branchflower found that firing Monegan "was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority," but that Palin abused her power as governor and violated the state's Executive Branch Ethics Act when her office pressured Monegan to fire Wooten .[131] The report stated that "Governor Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda, to wit: to get Trooper Michael Wooten fired."[132] The report also said that Palin "permitted Todd Palin to use the Governor's office [...] to continue to contact subordinate state employees in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired."[132][133]
On October 11, Palin's attorneys responded, condemning the Branchflower Report as "misleading and wrong on the law";[134] one, Thomas Van Flein, said that it was an attempt to "smear the governor by innuendo."[135]
State Personnel Board investigation

The State Personnel Board (SPB) reviewed the matter at Palin's request.[136] On September 15, the Anchorage law firm of Clapp, Peterson, Van Flein, Tiemessen & Thorsness filed arguments of "no probable cause" with the SPB on behalf of Palin.[137][138] The SPB hired independent counsel Timothy Petumenos as an investigator. On October 24, Palin gave three hours of depositions with the Board in St. Louis, Missouri.[139] On November 3, Petumenos found that there was no probable cause to believe Palin or any other state official had violated state ethical standards

So one report says she did the other says she didn't.

PJ... You're the one who needs to read up some more on trooper gate. It depends on which report you like, the Branchflower the report which found her guilty by a bipartisan 12-0 vote of the Legislative Council, which authorized the investigation...

Troopergate report: Palin abused power

By DON HUNTER, SEAN COCKERHAM and WESLEY LOY
Anchorage Daily News

Published: October 10th, 2008 09:13 PM
Last Modified: October 10th, 2008 09:13 PM

A legislative investigation has concluded that Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power in pushing for the firing of an Alaska state trooper who was once married to her sister, or by failing to prevent her husband Todd from doing so.

The report by investigator Steve Branchflower was made public late this afternoon by a bipartisan 12-0 vote of the Legislative Council, which authorized the investigation.

Branchflower's report contains four findings. The first concludes that Palin violated the state's executive branch ethics act, which says that "each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust."
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... or the attempted whitewash from Palin's hand-picked, three-person State Personnel Board.

Alaska Personnel Board Clears Palin of Wrongdoing in Troopergate

By James V. Grimaldi
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 4, 2008
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After Palin was selected as Sen. John McCain's running mate, her attorneys attempted to take the investigation out of the hands of the legislative investigator by asking her handpicked three-person State Personnel Board to look into the matter.

"It doesn't really resolve anything," Monegan said of the report. "It is unfortunate."

The legislature's investigator, Stephen Branchflower, found evidence that Palin joined her husband, Todd, in pursuing a personal vendetta against the trooper and that she used state employees to try to settle a score in a family feud. But Petumenos said his findings are different because "the wrong statute was used as a basis for the conclusions contained in the Branchflower report."

Same old PJ still can't get over blowing smoke, distractions and diversions. :roll:

 

[Gothgar]

who really cares?

 

[Craig234]

She is guilty of a terrible ethics violation - accepting the VP nomination while unqualified. As far as this thread, I'm unclear what the problem was on this issue.

 

[ProfJohn]

Harvey... you missed this part
http://www.peninsulaclarion.co...08/new_295453733.shtml

The council voted unanimously to make the report public, but did not vote to endorse its findings.

and
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=6004368&page=2

"I'm going to vote to release it, but it's not a vote in total agreement," said Republican Sen. Gary Stevens.

 

[Lemon law]

Granted, some of the Palin ethics complaints are petty, but not so librariangate, chefgate, troopergate, wardrobegate, and rip off the Alaskan taxpayer by transporting her famdamily all over the place on the taxpayer dime. I am sure we can add others, but it shows a clear pattern of Palin petty revenge, arrogance, and a clear Palin disdain and denial that ethical standards should actually apply to her.

In short she shows the clear pattern of bully behavior, and she can dish it out but can't take it.

And in terms of the charges I have enumerated, I have barely scratched the surface, I am sure others can provide more detail about her various serious abuses of power.

And with all due respect to Non Prof John, demonstrated the some anti Palin charge are Petty does nothing to absolve Palin of the more serious charges.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Granted, some of the Palin ethics complaints are petty, but not so librariangate, chefgate, troopergate, wardrobegate, and rip off the Alaskan taxpayer by transporting her famdamily all over the place on the taxpayer dime. I am sure we can add others, but it shows a clear pattern of Palin petty revenge, arrogance, and a clear Palin disdain and denial that ethical standards should actually apply to her.

In short she shows the clear pattern of bully behavior, and she can dish it out but can't take it.

And in terms of the charges I have enumerated, I have barely scratched the surface, I am sure others can provide more detail about her various serious abuses of power.

And with all due respect to Non Prof John, demonstrated the some anti Palin charge are Petty does nothing to absolve Palin of the more serious charges.

You are clueless dude.

Library gate: Palin NEVER asked that any books be removed. She asked what the librarian would due if someone requested a book be removed and nothing else.

chefgate?? She got rid of the governors personal chef, what is wrong with that picture?

troopergate: perhaps the one real issue. Of course the trooper never lost his job.

wardrobgate? Kind of petty and I am not sure any ethical violations ever took place.

transporting her family all over the place: we had a thread about a similar incident here seems that the majority of your liberal peers feels that people in power should be free to use governments jets for their person travel use at will. BTW the personnel board found no wrong doing, but Palin agreed to pay $10,000 to cover some costs on trips that were of questionable merit.

The rest of your post is conjecture without any facts to back it up.

BTW if there were serious abuses of power taking place I think we would know. There have been a bunch of busy bodies crawling all over her record since the day she was named VP candidate. There have been 19 ethic complaints about her in the past year and almost all of them were dismisses as being without merit.

 

[BoomerD]

It seems to me that all the various ethics investigations have shown is that Palin has no ethics.

At this point, (as much as I think she's the laughing stock of Alaska) I haven't seen any actual criminal charges filed, nor any serious ethics charges or convictions...but I keep hoping.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
It seems to me that all the various ethics investigations have shown is that Palin has no ethics.
At this point, (as much as I think she's the laughing stock of Alaska) I haven't seen any actual criminal charges filed, nor any serious ethics charges or convictions...but I keep hoping.

I keep hoping that the American public will wise up to where they no longer care about tripe such as this. Of all the possible ethics issues I've ever read, this is by far the lamest.

 

[ProfJohn]

Meanwhile Obama owns a home that he bought with the help of convicted real estate developer Tony Rezko.

Where is the outrage?

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Meanwhile Obama owns a home that he bought with the help of convicted real estate developer Tony Rezko.

Where is the outrage?

Were there any rules broken? Anything illegal about the transaction?

 

[Xellos2099]

So where is the so call ethic probe when Obama request president of GM to step down?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Meanwhile Obama owns a home that he bought with the help of convicted real estate developer Tony Rezko.

Where is the outrage?

Making an exception to my preference not to mess with names, I had settled into SpinJohn, but it has a close competitor, GotchaJohn. GotchaGotchaGotcha.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
It really can be difficult to be anti-Palin when *this* is the other side :roll:

This.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: cubby1223
It really can be difficult to be anti-Palin when *this* is the other side :roll:

This.

Well all you have to do is hear her speak her views and it's not so difficult to be Anti Palin. That said I also find this ethics probe to be far fetched.