Palin implicated in ethics probe

Vette73

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AP NewsBreak: Palin implicated in ethics probe


So the real reason has come out now. So not only is she dirty, again. But lied about it. Damm and I was so hopeing she would make the republican ticket. :laugh:


An investigator for the state Personnel Board says in his July 14 report that there is probable cause to believe Palin used or attempted to use her official position for personal gain because she authorized the creation of the trust as the "official" legal defense fund.
 

JSt0rm

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oops. Oh well it was fun while it lasted. Hopefully the southerners won't care about this and put her on the ticket anyhow :)
 

Fern

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Good grief :disgust:

In his report, attorney Thomas Daniel said his interpretation of the ethics act is consistent with common sense.

An ordinary citizen facing legal charges is not likely to be able to generate donations to a legal defense fund, he wrote. "In contrast, Governor Palin is able to generate donations because of the fact that she is a public official and a public figure. Were it not for the fact that she is governor and a national political figure, it is unlikely that many citizens would donate money to her legal defense fund."

That's it?

Fern
 

IamDavid

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Originally posted by: Fern
Good grief :disgust:

In his report, attorney Thomas Daniel said his interpretation of the ethics act is consistent with common sense.

An ordinary citizen facing legal charges is not likely to be able to generate donations to a legal defense fund, he wrote. "In contrast, Governor Palin is able to generate donations because of the fact that she is a public official and a public figure. Were it not for the fact that she is governor and a national political figure, it is unlikely that many citizens would donate money to her legal defense fund."

That's it?

Fern

I'm lost. That's a pathetic accusation and I can't stand her.. People need to get a clue and concentrate on sh!t that matters. This/she does not.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: IamDavid
Originally posted by: Fern
Good grief :disgust:

In his report, attorney Thomas Daniel said his interpretation of the ethics act is consistent with common sense.

An ordinary citizen facing legal charges is not likely to be able to generate donations to a legal defense fund, he wrote. "In contrast, Governor Palin is able to generate donations because of the fact that she is a public official and a public figure. Were it not for the fact that she is governor and a national political figure, it is unlikely that many citizens would donate money to her legal defense fund."

That's it?

Fern

I'm lost. That's a pathetic accusation and I can't stand her.. People need to get a clue and concentrate on sh!t that matters. This/she does not.

i agree.

this is NOT why she quite.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I thought she was taking bribes or something. She's an idiot, but Palin is as relevant as Jimmy Carter.
 

CallMeJoe

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Calling this "ethics complaint" weak is giving it far too much credit. I have no love of Governor Palin, but I can't grant this issue any credibility at all.
 

themusgrat

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Hey guys, someone accused a potential presidential candidate as being dirty!!! To the internet!!!!
 

RedChief

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So....she never violated any ethics until she had to defend herself from ethics probes?
 

Moonbeam

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I think the ethic probe people failed to realize that the ethic charges leveled at Palin would not have been leveled if she weren't a public person and public official. So if her notoriety can get charges thrown at her surely it can be used to defend her, no?
 

smack Down

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What kind of an idiot Governor would have signed such a law.

But she didn't spend a million dollars defending herself because she was innocent.
 

DealMonkey

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Only someone as stupid as Palin can get embroiled in an ethics probe of her defense of various ethics probes.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think the ethic probe people failed to realize that the ethic charges leveled at Palin would not have been leveled if she weren't a public person and public official. So if her notoriety can get charges thrown at her surely it can be used to defend her, no?

Seems reasonable, but it seems to me that no one should have to pay legal fees unless they are found guilty, even if its the government. People bring up stories of health care debt, and this doesn't minimize their problems, but if the government or an individual with deep pockets wishes to destroy you they certainly can use the courts to do so.
 

Lemon law

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If you look at the Palin history, she made free use of Alaska's ethic laws to attack her opponents, but now that she has a pile of ethic complains made against her, with many quite justified, she quits.

What happened to just acting ethically which prevents such complaints being filed in the first place?
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Fern
Good grief :disgust:

In his report, attorney Thomas Daniel said his interpretation of the ethics act is consistent with common sense.

An ordinary citizen facing legal charges is not likely to be able to generate donations to a legal defense fund, he wrote. "In contrast, Governor Palin is able to generate donations because of the fact that she is a public official and a public figure. Were it not for the fact that she is governor and a national political figure, it is unlikely that many citizens would donate money to her legal defense fund."

That's it?

Fern
If that's illegal I want to know how the fvck lobbying is still tolerated.

 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
If you look at the Palin history, she made free use of Alaska's ethic laws to attack her opponents, but now that she has a pile of ethic complains made against her, with many quite justified, she quits.

What happened to just acting ethically which prevents such complaints being filed in the first place?

All politicians should be ethical, however even so investigations are used at times as a weapon. The witch hunt and Clinton for example.

To be sure behaving helps but it would never prevent a charade if that was the only option to get the other side.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
If you look at the Palin history, she made free use of Alaska's ethic laws to attack her opponents, but now that she has a pile of ethic complains made against her, with many quite justified, she quits.

What happened to just acting ethically which prevents such complaints being filed in the first place?

comon. you aren't that nieve or ignorant are you? acting ethically is not going to prevent such complaints. Far to often they are used as a weapon.

 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
If you look at the Palin history, she made free use of Alaska's ethic laws to attack her opponents, but now that she has a pile of ethic complains made against her, with many quite justified, she quits.

What happened to just acting ethically which prevents such complaints being filed in the first place?

Have you looked at the list of complaints?

1. July 28, 2008: Alaska lawmakers launched an investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power when she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan over his refusal to let go a state trooper involved in a contentious divorce with Palin's sister. Stephen Branchflower, a special counsel leading the investigation, concluded Oct. 10 that Palin violated a state ethics law that prohibits public officials from using their office for personal gain. The firing itself was deemed lawful since Monegan was an at-will employee.

2. Aug. 6, 2008: Complaint filed by outspoken Palin critic Andree McLeod of Anchorage contended Palin and some staff members used their influence to get a Palin supporter a job in state government. Complaint alleged Palin staffers helped Tom Lamal, who once co-hosted a Palin fundraiser, to get a job as a surveyor. Dismissed by state personnel board, although the board's investigator recommended ethics training for one staffer who made questionable comments in e-mails.

3. Aug. 20, 2008: Complaint accused Palin of breaking election law by taking a public position on a mining ballot initiative days before the vote. Filed by Brian Kraft, founder of the Bristol Bay Alliance, a group that opposed the Pebble Mine prospect. Rejected May 8 by the Alaska Public Offices Commission.


Aug. 29, 2008: Palin named as John McCain's running mate. 4. Sept. 2, 2008: Palin filed a "self disclosure" with the state personnel board over the Troopergate affair, saying a state legislative probe had become too political. On Nov. 3 -- the day before the election -- Timothy Petumenos, a lawyer hired by the board, said that Palin violated no ethics laws when she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.

5. Sept. 3, 2008: Complaint by the Public Safety Employees Association alleged Palin or her staff had unauthorized access to and improperly disclosed information from personnel records of Trooper Mike Wooten, Palin's ex-brother-in-law. Complaint was later amended to include an allegation of harassment. The PSEA's allegations were investigated alongside Palin's filing and also dismissed.

6. Oct. 13, 2008: Monegan asked the board for a hearing to clear his name. Petumenos, in his Nov. 3 Troopergate report to the panel, said there was no legal basis or jurisdiction for such a hearing.

7. Oct. 23, 2008: Complaint with the Federal Election Commission by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics alleged the $150,000-plus designer wardrobe the Republican Party bought to outfit Palin in her vice presidential quest violated Federal Election Campaign Act. The Washington watchdog group argued that candidates aren't supposed to use donor money for personal expenses. The FEC ruled May 19 that party money is not covered by the ban.

8. Oct. 24, 2008: Complaint contended Palin abused her power by charging the state when her children traveled with her. The personnel board found no wrongdoing, but in a Feb. 23 settlement Palin agreed to reimburse the state about $10,000 for costs associated with 10 trips found to be of questionable state interest among 72 travel authorizations studied. The money is due to the state on Tuesday.

9. Nov. 14, 2008: Accused Palin of partisan "post-election damage control" for talking to reporters about the campaign in her state office. Filed by Zane Henning, a North Slope worker from Wasilla, Palin's hometown. Dismissed by state personnel board March 23.

10. Dec. 2, 2008: Alleged Palin violated ethics law by campaigning for Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia. Filed by Anthony Martin of Talkeetna. Dismissed by state personnel board March 23.

11. Dec. 18, 2008: Complaint contended Palin misused funds of the Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute, a quasi-government entity, to promote her political ambitions with advertisements featuring her, violating ethics law. The ads promoting Alaska seafood ran in the National Fisherman last year through November. Dismissed Jan. 12 after a personnel board investigation determined Palin's only involvement was to give permission to use her image long before she was named McCain's running mate.

12. Jan. 12: Complaint alleging interference in a job hiring was filed under the name of Edna Birch, a busybody character on the British soap opera Emmerdale. Palin's attorney, Thomas Van Flein, said no one by that name could be found living in Alaska and the filer refused to use a real name, so the complaint was dismissed Feb. 20.

13. and 14. Jan. 26: Two complaints filed by McLeod alleged two of Palin's top aides misused their official positions for Palin's personal and political gain. The complaints said then-press secretary Bill McAllister and Kris Perry -- director of the governor's Anchorage office -- worked on state time to benefit Palin's interests during and after her vice presidential quest. Pending.

15. March 18: Contended Palin improperly used state staff, property, time and equipment for partisan political purposes. One of the grievances cited was Palin's posting of her veep candidacy on the official state governor's Web site -- http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=1439&type=1 Complaint filed by McLeod. Dismissed May 27 as lacking merit by personnel board May 27.

16. March 24: Contended conflict of interest by Palin because she wore Arctic Cat logo gear during the Tesoro Iron Dog snowmobile race. Palin's husband, Todd, is sponsored by Arctic Cat in the race. Filed by Linda Kellen Biegel, a Democratic blogger. Dismissed June 2.

17. April 22: Alleged that work with Palin's political action committee violated two provisions of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act by misusing her official position and accepting outside employment. Filed by Anchorage resident Sondra Tompkins. Dismissed as lacking merit by state personnel board May 8.

18. April 27: Contends Palin is misusing the governor's office for personal gain by securing unwarranted benefits and receiving improper gifts through the Alaska Fund Trust. The fund was recently established by supporters to help Palin pay off more than $500,000 in legal debts stemming from other ethics complaints, including troopergate. Complaint filed by Eagle River resident, Kim Chatman. Pending.

Wow, an administration riddled with corruption and backroom dealings.

Outside of the trooper incident, they are all extremely minor, and most have already been dismissed.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
If you look at the Palin history, she made free use of Alaska's ethic laws to attack her opponents, but now that she has a pile of ethic complains made against her, with many quite justified, she quits.

What happened to just acting ethically which prevents such complaints being filed in the first place?

Have you seen some of the ethics complaints other than the sensational headlines?

Like this one, people know who she is because she is a governor, ethics complaint.


Yeah, headlines always tell the full story :roll:


edit - good, they've been listed, I love this one:
"the filer refused to use a real name, so the complaint was dismissed Feb. 20."
 

themusgrat

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If you actually will read that list of complaints above, it's rather funny. She wore "arctic cate logo gear," of course that gets a complaint. Who cares that it's a free country. Oh, and she told people on her website about her being a vice presidential candidate, ohmygosh jerry, gossip gossip. Also, newsflash at 11... Palin talks to reporters in her state office. DUM DUM DUM, bring out the torches, light her up. Oh and then her supporters start a fund to help her pay for all these "ethics complaints" and someone complains because obviously she "misused her office for personal gain." Maybe there's a reason all these were dismissed.....

I know you people have a burning desire to be retarded, but there are better things to be retarded about, though this sure is more fun to watch than most. Not that I blame you, shrumpage, for posting a list, good work chap, but the whole discussion is pretty retarded all the same.
 

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12. Jan. 12: Complaint alleging interference in a job hiring was filed under the name of Edna Birch, a busybody character on the British soap opera Emmerdale. Palin's attorney, Thomas Van Flein, said no one by that name could be found living in Alaska and the filer refused to use a real name, so the complaint was dismissed Feb. 20.

Yep, definitely riddled with corruption.

She's so stupid that she can't even commit a crime well enough to warrant the attention.
 

yllus

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It seems to be fairly indisputable that Ms. Palin is only having these grievances filed against her for the sake of harassing her into spending her time and money fighting them.