Palin defends the fatties

[raildogg]

Let people eat what they want. Besides, who asked the government to interfere with this?

All of this sounds like a scam anyway.

The big companies add preservatives and all sorts of chemicals to their foods and advertise how delicious it is. Unfortunately, here in America we don't have a walking culture so we always have to drive somewhere. Thats a couple of hundred calories that could have been burned by walking a few miles or so. But isn't that what all of these giant corporations here in the good old capitalist USA want?

Don't all of these giant corporations in the good old capitalist USA want us to drive our cars, watch their ads on TV, buy their specials mattresses and sofas to relax on?

There are too many mixed messages here. On one side you have the government trying to regulate what we eat and drink; on the other, you have corporate America trying to feed the most profitable food to the people.

The whole culture is based on ease. Nobody wants to sacrifice or give up any convenience. Unfortunately, you can't have everything. Maybe the price we are paying is our weight is increasing due to our increasingly modernizing society. You can't always have everything.

 

[jman19]

This thread is amazing, I have all my favorite lefties going nuts all in the same place

I'm a "lefty?" Do explain.

 

[bamacre]

Have you even looked at the website?

Is it really "controlling" anybody? Is it mandating anything? Is it stopping anybody from exercising their "god given" rights?

Show me how, exactly, the government is controlling anything by that website. Because, from what I can tell, it provides information and it encourages people to eat healthier and exercise more.

Error 1984: Government Control Not Found.

If it was funded by government, and government receives its revenue by control, then sorry, but control found.

 

[PeshakJang]

As long as the government wants to try to artificially control health care costs, the population in general will continue to not care about their health.

Our society has a hard time telling people that their illness may be their own fault, despite the fact that a large majority of our nation's medical problems are due to unhealthy behavior. Guess what... you got diabetes after eating whatever you wanted for 40 years? Your fucking fault. Don't tell me I need to pay for your stupidity.

Car insurance companies can charge more for at-risk groups... allow health insurance to do the same and I would bet that a lot more people would start taking care of themselves.

 

[manimal]

If it was funded by government, and government receives its revenue by control, then sorry, but control found.

over-generalization ftw!




You have basically described all government....so were to assume that you believe all government is bad?


see how over-generalizations work?

to grossly simplify how the system works is disingenuous at best...

 

[manimal]

As long as the government wants to try to artificially control health care costs, the population in general will continue to not care about their health.

so your saying that government subsidies of farmers makes people not care about farmers? So tax breaks to big businesses is artificial control and makes people not care about business?

Any regulation is artificial control and therefore bad according to your pure laissez faire ideals and therefore bad. So you do realize that laissez faire economics have not worked in centuries without SOME form of interaction...


the complexity of the arguments tonight is astounding...matlock must not be on....

 

[alkemyst]

i don't watch, but from what I hear in the office, Bristol is the only DWTS celebrity that may have actually gained weight during taping.

 

[HomerJS]

i don't watch, but from what I hear in the office, Bristol is the only DWTS celebrity that may have actually gained weight during taping.

I noticed nobody addressed the problem criticizing Michelle Obama and not Nancy Reagan. Guess the Painistas will just let that slide.

Maybe Bristol needs to pay more attention to Michelle then her mother

 

[Zebo]

Mmmmmmmm.

Ice cream!

Sarah Palin!

Ice cream and Sarah Palin!

You know you want some!

:awe:

You can eat all that you want if you get HR in zone 4 for and hour a day. Quite simply your body will not let you take in trash, you will leave it on track next day and think twice before a repeat. Second arobic exercise scales with mass so more you weigh in at more calories you burn. I weigh 245 and burn over 950 in an hour, that's 2 big macs just to do my run not to mention maintain 245 24.7. In other-words I eat whatever I want. I agree with Palin, for once. It's exercise and choice. Proper exercise limits your choices.

 

[Zebo]

Try and run an hour w/o salt and lots of it. Let me know how you slept that night. See what I'm getting at? Starts with a E not D.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Great. Does that mean we don't have to pay for their obesity-related healthcare either? Type-2 Diabetes, IHD, PVD, cancer, etc.? If so, then sure.

 

[hal2kilo]

Try and run an hour w/o salt and lots of it. Let me know how you slept that night. See what I'm getting at?

Denying that the bulk of americans eat food processed with too much salt and too much sugar due to the food producers understanding way more than people themselves know what drives them to eat what they eat, is the crux of the problem.

You, me, are intelligent enough to understand this, unfortunatey, the bulk of the american public are not. Bottom line, when in a grocery store, stay on the outside isles, stay away from the inner ones.

By the way, I still don't buy organic, because, sadly,I think it's just another scam.

Oh well, let them eat cake.

 

[Zebo]

I only eat free range organic (hunt and fish mostly) - has more to do with how animals are treated than any unproven harmful chemicals they are injecting. Anyway choice of what you put into your body should be yours. Drugs, chemicals, corn feed beef whatever. The second we surrender that choice you're basically saying the state owns you. A draft does that as well. No thanks. I don't want to be a piece of cattle in feed lot for state to feed from.

 

[bamacre]

over-generalization ftw!

You have basically described all government....so were to assume that you believe all government is bad?


see how over-generalizations work?

to grossly simplify how the system works is disingenuous at best...

And if the same kind of agenda wasn't weight loss, but abstinence, would you still agree?

 

[Amused]

And if the same kind of agenda wasn't weight loss, but abstinence, would you still agree?

Set, point, match.

Funny how that works, eh?

Biased myopic people are all for limiting the actions of others... until it's their bull getting gored.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

People should be free to eat what they want, but at the same time I see no problem with efforts to combat obesity.

The whole culture is based on ease. Nobody wants to sacrifice or give up any convenience. Unfortunately, you can't have everything. Maybe the price we are paying is our weight is increasing due to our increasingly modernizing society. You can't always have everything.

You're probably right, but I see nothing wrong with an attempt to educate people, so long as it doesn't involve coercion or blatant fear-mongering. As someone already pointed out, it's not much different in a way than the anti-drug campaign in the 1980s.

If it was funded by government, and government receives its revenue by control, then sorry, but control found.

So even a no-strings attached GRANT from the federal govt. is a form of control? If you believe that, you're uninformed, or worse......

 

[manimal]

And if the same kind of agenda wasn't weight loss, but abstinence, would you still agree?

you are talking to a man with two little girls-daughters- so I am all for abstinence

I do get your point and I get the slippery slope argument though.

 

[MrX8503]

How is this message stupid?

"instead of a government thinking that they need to take over and make decisions for us according to some politician or politician's wife priorities, just leave us alone, get off our back and allow us as individuals to exercise our own God-given rights to make our own decisions and then our country gets back on the right track."

Looks pretty sound to me, or do you believe the opposite? Do you believe that the government should attempt to control our individual decisions about what we do with our bodies and ignore the current economic issues facing our country?

Just askin.

Speaking about just the "Let's move" initiative there is no mandate for exercising or eating healthier. You're bending the facts to validate what Palin is saying, trying to tie it to "big government" when in fact it has no relation at all. Nice try.

 

[Amused]

Speaking about just the "Let's move" initiative there is no mandate for exercising or eating healthier. You're bending the facts to validate what Palin is saying, trying to tie it to "big government" when in fact it has no relation at all. Nice try.

:::sigh:::

And yet again, we are ignoring the plethora of food laws, fat taxes, limits and bans already passed and endorsed by this program and admin.

Also, to steal from Bam,

"And if the same kind of agenda wasn't weight loss, but abstinence, would you still agree?"

Preaching and legislating personal morality be it gluttony or sexuality is no business of the government.

 

[MrX8503]

:::sigh:::

And yet again, we are ignoring the plethora of food laws, fat taxes, limits and bans already passed and endorsed by this program and admin.

Also, to steal from Bam,

"And if the same kind of agenda wasn't weight loss, but abstinence, would you still agree?"

Preaching and legislating personal morality be it gluttony or sexuality is no business of the government.

:::sigh:::

You are confusing "education" with "mandate", that or you are blatantly trying to tie the two together and pass it off as one in the same to validate "big government" when that is not what's happening.

http://www.letsmove.gov/

The Let's Move initiative is an education initiative, just as there is education awareness on abstinence. Next you're gonna force feed me that Death Panels are real.

 

[Amused]

:::sigh:::

You are confusing "education" with "mandate", that or you are blatantly trying to tie the two together and pass it off as one in the same to validate "big government" when that is not what's happening.

http://www.letsmove.gov/

The Let's Move initiative is an education initiative, just as there is education awareness on abstinence. Next you're gonna force feed me that Death Panels are real.

The bans, limits and taxes are all tied to this. To deny that is to deny reality.

Yes, I understand the First Lady's front is all about education. But is also a front to validate the bans, taxes and limits happening all accross the country by her party.

 

[MrX8503]

The bans, limits and taxes are all tied to this. To deny that is to deny reality.

Yes, I understand the First Lady's front is all about education. But is also a front to validate the bans, taxes and limits happening all accross the country by her party.

No...

You are trying to make a correlation between two things that has no relation. The bans/mandate would happen with or without the Lets Move initiative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

The "Lets Move" initiative is an education awareness program first and foremost.

 

[Amused]

No...

You are trying to make a correlation between two things that has no relation. The bans/mandate would happen with or without the Lets Move initiative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

The "Lets Move" initiative is an education awareness program first and foremost.

It is also a front to give validation to the laws passed by those in her own party.

 

[Zebo]

Denying that the bulk of americans eat food processed with too much salt and too much sugar due to the food producers understanding way more than people themselves know what drives them to eat what they eat, is the crux of the problem.

You, me, are intelligent enough to understand this, unfortunatey, the bulk of the american public are not. Bottom line, when in a grocery store, stay on the outside isles, stay away from the inner ones.

By the way, I still don't buy organic, because, sadly,I think it's just another scam.

Oh well, let them eat cake.

Easy to eat healthy. Just don't take in food with chemicals on the label will eliminate 99% of junk we eat. I eat a lot of beans and rice. I can buy 50 lbs bags of ea for about $35 total and have learned 1000s of way to make it interesting, there are whole cook books just on beans and rice. This lasts about a month with 5 people. Time? Pressure cooker 1/4 power and 1/4 time.

 

[IBMer]

It is also a front to give validation to the laws passed by those in her own party.

Like not being able to sale Alcohol on Sundays?

Look up blue laws:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law